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Personal Attacks?!

WTF!!! Did you read the discussion - I was the one being attacked, and yet you reverted my edit and did not tell Emir Arven to stop personal attacks against me. Unbelieveable! —KingIvan 03:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

, , and constitute personal attacks, which violate Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks. Responding to personal attacks by other users does not justify making personal attacks yourself. I will, however, warn any other users involved in this dispute who made personal attacks. Please do not restore the personal attacks to User talk:Elaragirl. John254 03:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

My last comment on that page (which was "Spread your shit on bs.wikipedia - on the en, we don't take crap!") was not a personal attack - I'm merely directing someone to the Misplaced Pages which is in the editor's first language. But besides that, if my last comment on that page is removed, then that discussion will have ended with a personal attack against me. (The last version without any "personal attacks" is this - http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Elaragirl&oldid=102135133). It's either remove all of them, or none of them. —KingIvan 03:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

But yes, I do realize how they can be seen as personal attacks. I've calmed down, and might go watch some TV (I think the Australian Open is on) —KingIvan 04:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Mistake on AIV

I inadvertently removed your report before applying the block rather than the other way around. I should have realized that the two functions aren't commutative. :) Please pardon the mistake, this is my first hour of doing this. Regards, Newyorkbrad 01:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

"No longer needed"

You do realize that there's zero benefit in deleting old user or talk pages that contain significant content? It remains on the servers either way, and issues such as turning up in searches can be resolved by blanking. The only reason to delete is if you want to hide something from view. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 05:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Fake newbies welcome message spambot

Hello I see you placed a speedy delete tag on User talk:Lhenryiii. Actually if you had placed the correct wecome message {{wellcome}} if would have fixed the problem at once. There is a vandal bot adding these. Any chance of some help reverting it? Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:16, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Homosexuality and medical science article

Would you mind moving that articlle back to the mainspace? Redirects to userspace are not allowed and as such the redirect to your user subpage has been deleted per WP:CSD. That means there is no way for people who were planning to work on the article to find it! There have been various discussions about the page and I have suggested it be split into articles about- (1) HIV/AIDS and its incidence among the gay community, (2) whether homosexuality is caused by genetic or environmental factors and (3) reproduction for same-sex couples. Which seems better than this bizarre combination of those topics. References can be added during this process. But it would be helpful if the article could go back to mainspace so contributors other than yourself can work on it. Many thanks, WJBscribe 03:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I've now seen the AfD so understand the move. Is it OK if I make known the presence of the article in your userspace to those interested in developing new sourced article(s)? WJBscribe 04:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. WJBscribe 04:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Reverting OrphanBot

Could you please look at what you're reverting before reverting OrphanBot's actions? OrphanBot correctly identified those images as not having a source, and tagged them accordingly. --Carnildo 01:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Your AIV report

Thank you for making a report in respect of User:Jochic on the page Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism. However, we have been unable to block this user because the user has not received a final warning (one that mentions that the user may be blocked) recently or has not vandalised since that warning was given. If a user who has not been warned vandalises a page please ensure they receive the appropriate warning and only report them on AIV if they vandalise again soon after receiving a final warning. Thank you.

Sandstein 15:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Jochic (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is a blatantly obvious sockpuppet of 87.116.145.81 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), who was recently blocked for the exact same vandalism. We need not give each sockpuppet a series of warnings before being blocked. John254 15:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help

Thanks for the revert of that troll on my talk page. Looking at your history I see you're active in helping and reporting these, keep up the good work —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheBilly (talk • contribs) 17:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

John, Thanks for your help with correcting the Stoke Newington School web site. I am Chair of Governors there and am concerned at the wide range of inaccurate information (Mark Emmerson is in fact still the head), abuse and libel (accusing senior staff of coacaine use and other acts).

While I hugely value wikipedia's model of open editing, is there nothing that can be done to stop such practices?

Henry, henry@happy.co.uk

Vandalism comments

Hi John, I appreciate that you took the time to explain your case. I just saw your comments at the vandalism talk-page but I'm at work now. I'll take a look at it in more detail when I get home, but thanks very much for registering them. Ekantik 17:27, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Hey John,

I just would like to thank you for your support in my recent request for adminship, which passed with a final tally of 54/13/11. I appreciate the trust expressed by members of the community, and will do my best to uphold it.

Naturally, I am still becoming accustomed to using the new tools, so if you have suggestions or feedback, or need anything please let me know. - Gilliam 21:27, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The

Without prejudice, I've reverted your close of this debate. Please make sure that when you close deletion debates that you user Template:Oldafdfull on the talk page, eh? - brenneman 06:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Your 3RR report

Hi John, could you please let me know what your involvement was in the User:ElKevbo 3RR incident? If you'd like, you can email me. Thanks, Crum375 04:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't involved in the content dispute over Deleting Online Predators Act of 2006. I discovered this situation when ElKevbo reported an apparent three-revert rule violation by LegitimateAndEvenCompelling on WP:AN3. Looking through the history of the article, I noticed that most of the edits that LegitimateAndEvenCompelling had reverted were made from various IP addresses, and that ElKevbo had joined in the edit war started by the IPs. The use of IP addresses, especially multiple IP addresses, for the purpose of reversions in a content dispute raises the possibility of sockpuppetry by the established users participating in the dispute. Thus, as a concerned user, I filed Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/ElKevbo. If the result of that request had been a determination that ElKevbo was unrelated to the IP addresses in question, that would have resolved the situation. Indeed, if ElKevbo really were editing from "(rural) Tennessee" as he claimed on his talk page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/ElKevbo would have almost certainly have found that ElKevbo was unrelated to the IP addresses in this dispute, which were located in Chicago, Illinois. Perhaps this issue could be resolved by asking Essjay, who responded to the checkuser request, whether the IP address used by ElKevbo at the time of the incident is consistent with his claim that he is editing from "(rural) Tennessee". John254 05:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I decided after consultation with all involved to reverse the block. I appreciate the work you put into your evidence, but I think we don't have enough to make a convincing case, and decided to give ElKevbo the benefit of the doubt. Thanks again for your effort, Crum375 06:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Changing autobacklog settings on AIV

Greetings! I've noticed a couple of times that you have changed the autobacklog settings on WP:AIV "due to the time-critical nature of reports on this page". I haven't, however, seen you changing the settings back after your report(s) was/were handled. In these cases, it would probably be better/easier to simply change the {{noadminbacklog}} to {{adminbacklog}} by hand, rather than changing the settings so the bots will change it. Manually making the change will not cause any problems for the bots (as long as you don't change anything other than adding/removing the "no" in the template), and the bots will not reverse your change (as long as the number of reports is more than the RemoveLimit setting). This way, the setting will not remain different than the consensus-derived value for extended periods of time, but you still call attention to the page by enabling the backlog. Thanks, and thanks of course for your contributions to keeping Misplaced Pages vandalism-free! —Krellis (Talk) 18:35, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Ejaculation

I'm not sure where you have been for the past three months, but discussion on the ejaculation article is an old and well argued discussion. I'm not going to rehash the whole discussion with you. You could read the archive of the talk page and you would see that a group of people negotiated movement of the image from lede down to a section. Since that time there has been a consensus supporting the current version. The linkimage is a new change, not one discussed first. No attempt to discuss this has ben recently made. This was discussed many moths ago, and an agreement that linkimage was not appropriate was the outcome at that time.

I don;t mean to be unfriendly, my apologies if I seem that way. It seems every third day there is someone who comes along and tries to remove the image becuase they think it is pornographic. After long debate we have worked through that for some time. For a month and a half it has been quiet, and we have had a consensus. Now, you feel that it should be different. That's fine with me, but you will need to discuss it on the talk page, and get others to agree with that. In the mean time I am going back to what has worked the longest. Thanks, Atom 22:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Consensus can change. Looking at the current discussion, there appears to be strong opposition to inline display of the photograph by several users, and strong support for inline display by only one user. In any event, I see no need for inline display; if readers want to see the photograph, they can simply click on the link. Linkimaging the photograph simply means that readers who don't wish to view the photograph won't see it; examining the discussion on the talk page, there appear to be quite a few readers who have expressed this preference. John254 23:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't help but notice that you have wound up in the same fight as I did. I just wanted to point out the same as Atom did that the discussion has gone round and round. If you really want to do something about the image, you are probably going to have to go through arbitration. Atom will do little more than call you a bible thumper, discredit any other image as "not as good", play dumb about the image's content, make broad misquotes of law, use and army of fellow "anti-censors" to make reverts, and deny that there is a consensus until you drop it. This has been going on since December. At some point, I simply decided that when users like Atom can set up camp on a page and impede it that Misplaced Pages lacks sufficient oversight and is wrapped in too much red tape. I decided after several attempts to get someone higher involved that it just wasn't worth the effort. Misplaced Pages can continue to suffer if it doesn't have the collective foresight to clean house and enforce policy. However, if you should decide to go to arbitration, I am willing to back you up, since I was for the longest time the only one willing to counterpoint Atom's daily horse shit. -- jsa 08:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

about your edit on CVU

About this edit . The template {{unmaintained}} is not a "bad" template, it's a pointer that there are data on the page that are inaccurate and outdated, and by checking the contributions of said page, not much non-vandalism edits had been going on lately. If you are active maintaining the page, I'm sorry if you felt overstepped, and I hope that you might fix all the inconsistencies. The major problem is that the IRC section is totally outdated, only one still part of the CVU could fix that (for example #vandalism-en-wp belongs to WP:VCN not CVU).

Another question that may be appropriate, is the question if CVU still exists, as VCN seems to have taken over much of that. _→AzaToth 17:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Much of the information on WP:CVU is actually transcluded from Misplaced Pages:Cleaning up vandalism/Tools (which is also transcluded into WP:CUV). Consequently, the edit history of WP:CVU itself does not reflect the many updates that have been made to the tool list. If the information on the IRC channels -- which is from Misplaced Pages:Cleaning up vandalism/Tools -- misattributes the owner of these channels, you are welcome to correct it. As to whether the CVU still exists, I can confirm that it does, primarily due to the efforts of PseudoSudo and myself to defeat Bobby Boulders' plot to destroy the CVU by nominating it for deletion using Dr Chatterjee as a sockpuppet -- see Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Dr Chatterjee, Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit (second nomination), and Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit (third nomination). As a result of my extensive arguments against the deletion of the CVU, I now have the distinction of being the only user whose talk page is currently being targeted by Bobby Boulders for vandalism -- see Special:Contributions/Mister_Sunshine, for example. John254 17:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I have checked the IRC now, and the "only" cvu channel that existed vws #cvu, and it's invite only, so I removed all cvu irc channels from the page. _→AzaToth 18:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Hi, John. Just a quick note to say thanks for your support at my RfA. The level of support was overwhelming and I intend making good the trust bestowed upon me. Thanks again. Bubba hotep 21:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

User:82.17.226.25

Hey, just to let you know I removed the above IP from AIV as it had only had 2 edits and one post your warning, I've given the IP a test 3 warning now, so hopefully this will stop further disruption. I'll keep an eye on the IP to make sure they don't vandalise anymore, regards RyanPostlethwaite 22:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Good spot with the sock IP RyanPostlethwaite 22:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

82.34.168.166 17:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry about the vandalism - but it wasn't me. I think I must be sharing someone else's IP (I have a router, could that be it?) because I've never been to the Christian Aid article. 82.34.168.166 17:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

LHTV

Hi,

I have put a redirect to Llanishen High School and copied the material to that entry. Regards Springnuts 18:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

blocking notification

Concerning the temporary block notice for 128.241.111.173, you and I had an edit conflict in issuing the notice. So, rather than having two show up (don't need to pile it on), and since I was the blocking admin (I'll take the heat), I removed the notice you added and left mine (which contained the specific reasons I had for the block). Thanks for reporting the problem. — ERcheck (talk) 16:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

OK I'm new to Wiki

Could somebody explain what the difference between a "company promotion" page and info on a company? John254 decided that my Velma's Kettle Corn page is unacceptable, yet I see a Wiki link for Orville Redenbacher's, Act II, Pop Secret. Obviously those are "brand" names and I'm a nobody. Obviously these pages are ABOUT THE COMPANY. The Orville link has a logo and the Act II has a link to the company website. (That's basically what I did for my tiny company) Who gets to decide when I'm appropriate for Wiki? When a company enters the "national psche?" Do I need a certain amount of profits? Do I need to be advertising nationally? Every band in existance has a Wiki entry. Almost every band wants to sell you their CD or a song. THEY are in business to make money. My product is wrapped in plastic and so is theirs. What's the difference? If you're making money off of art you can have a Wiki entry? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biksco (talk • contribs) 16:33, 13 March 2007

The biggest problem with Velma's Kettle Corn was that the article was written in the tone of an advertisement, including substantial praise for the product, and locations at which the product might be purchased. Like all Misplaced Pages articles, articles concerning consumer products should be written from a neutral point of view. Furthermore, Misplaced Pages's notability guideline is often applied quite stringently to consumer products. To establish the notability of Velma's Kettle Corn, you would need to show that this product "has been the subject of secondary sources... reliable, independent of the subject and independent of each other". Finally, you describe Velma's Kettle Corn as "my product". If you do indeed have a significant financial interest this product, either through ownership of the company which produces it, as an employee this company, or otherwise, you should not create a Misplaced Pages article concerning it, as this would be considered a conflict of interest. John254 01:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to Template:Notcensored2

This concerns your edits of 04:20 and 04:24, 23 March 2007.

Whether specific pictures actually "are", or merely "may be", necessary to the quality of an article is an argument I'll leave to specific article talk pages.

However, I simply can't see blanking from a talk page template the general advisory that "Off-topic discussions, including discussions about the acceptability of images of nudity on Misplaced Pages, serve no constructive purpose in improving the article, and may be removed."

That remains true whether or not anyone warns the reader/editor of the fact. It's explicit in Misplaced Pages:Talk page guidelines#How to use article talk pages:

• Keep on topic: Talk pages are not for general conversation. Keep discussions on the topic of how to improve the associated article. Irrelevant discussions are subject to removal.

• Be positive: Article talk pages should be used for ways to improve an article, not to criticize, pick apart, or vent about the current status of an article. However, if you feel something is wrong, but aren't sure how to fix it, then by all means feel free to draw attention to this and ask for suggestions from others.

• Stay objective: Talk pages are not a forum for editors to argue their own different points of view about controversial issues. ...

The template just gave its fair warning up front, without the reader having to go look at the guidelines from the link atop the edit page.

This isn't about "removal of legitimate comments from talk pages simply because one disagrees with them"; it's about keeping on-topic.

To make that clearer, in case anyone else might get confused on the matter, I've rephrased it as:

As the talk page guidelines state, discussions which are off-topic (not about how to improve the article) may be removed, so this is not the place for discussions about the acceptability of images of nudity on Misplaced Pages.

Such issues are too broad for a single article's talk page; they are certainly too broad to try settling by deleting content from a template, or by deleting the template itself. They should be taken to Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Policies, and openly discussed there. -- Ben /_HIST 06:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Verifiability

"If an article topic has no reliable sources" is not the same as "If an article itself cites no reliable sources". We don't delete articles as unverifiable because they don't cite sources. We delete them as unverifiable because no sources exist. Please adhere to our Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy and the Misplaced Pages:Guide to deletion, which both state that one should do one's homework and look for sources onesself before nominating something for deletion for being unverifiable. For starters, a nomination that states "I looked for sources here, here, and here, and found nothing." will have far greater weight in a discussion. An article is only unverifiable if both it cites no sources and all attempts to find sources come up emptyhanded. Uncle G 14:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, John, I was just going to write you the same thing. I agree with Uncle G, most of WP articles do not cite sources but we cannot delete them only because of it. Try to find the sources yourself please :-) Happy editing! --Ioannes Pragensis 16:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

::Actually, Misplaced Pages:Attribution clearly states that

John254 13:30, 25 March 2007 (UTC)