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Lil Kim's controversies

Lil' Kim did an interview in 2001 with Wendy Williams and in that interview she stated that she made up with Shyne. The interview is on YouTube. It would be great to show that she rectified her issue with him years ago.

Also, where is Faith Evans and Eve in the "controversy" section?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.85.185.104 (talk • contribs) 13:33, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Lil' Kim record sales

The article states that Lil' Kim has sold 15 million albums worldwide and 30 million singles. Where are the sources and are those credible sources?

Also, the Junior M.A.F.I.A album conspiracy has not sold 8 million records worldwide. Sources please!!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.85.185.104 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Article Contains 83% closely copied content

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thank you 8barzmusic (talk) 00:08, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

I was looking at the article in question this user claims was a copyright violation from last.fm and if you look in the history (which is publicly available), it says that the information was originally forked from Misplaced Pages by the article creator in 2006. I would be hesitant to call it copyright infringement unless they significantly went in a different direction when it comes to what they added since then and whether THAT was taken from us too. By hosting our material, they are doing so under a Creative Commons license even if their material in question they personally created is copyrighted.--Thebirdlover (talk) 22:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Looks to me like most of the overlap doesn't date back to the original forking in 2006, but rather to the most recent edit made on Last.fm, on 10th April 2022, which ALSO copied content from Misplaced Pages. Annoyingly Last.fm doesn't seem to support diffs, but if you manually compare https://www.last.fm/music/Lil%27+Kim/+wiki?ver=15 to https://www.last.fm/music/Lil%27+Kim/+wiki?ver=17 and look at the content that existed on Misplaced Pages at the time the final edit was made (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Lil%27_Kim&oldid=1081075387) you can see that the final Last.fm edit copied multiple paragraphs almost verbatim from Misplaced Pages, and that those paragraphs are the ones being labelled as "closely copied" by the tool @8barzmusic used.

So the situation is slightly more complicated than you suggest, but the executive summary is the same: the overlap exists due to people copying stuff from Misplaced Pages to the Last.fm wiki, not the other way round. There's therefore nothing to fix on the Misplaced Pages side; I'll remove the notice. ExplodingCabbage (talk) 10:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm about to delete the whole section about the beef with 50 Cent

This section was added by @Andrei2501 (https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Lil%27_Kim&diff=prev&oldid=1214243823) but has multiple issues right now:

Most seriously, this sentence is not supported by the cited source and is an extraordinary violation of WP:NPOV:

After they left the radio station, Lil' Kim's boyfriend at the time, Damion World Hardy shot at 50 and his crew outside of the Doubletree Hotel in Jersey City, unfortunately, Jackson and his crew never got hit, the police later brought them in for questioning.

The only citation at the end of that sentence/paragraph is a Rolling Stone article that doesn't mention Lil' Kim or Hardy anywhere and speculates that Ja Rule may have been the shooter. You cannot accuse someone of a shooting - presumably, an attempted murder - on the basis of a source that makes no mention of them whatsoever!

But even if we had a source, come on, it is clearly not okay to say it's "unfortunate" that the intended victim of an attempted murder didn't get hit!

I haven't carefully dug into the rest of the section to make sure it's supported by the cited sources, but these two problems are so egregious they make me suspicious of everything added in the same edit.

At least some other claims are unsupported by their citations (e.g. the claim that the reference to "Kim" in Piggy Bank is about Lil' Kim).

Since first being posted, further factual inaccuracies have been added by @David_Gerard, who in https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Lil%27_Kim&diff=prev&oldid=1230254096 removed a sentence about stuff that happened in 2021 prior to the sentence that begins "On October that year, 50 Cent trolled Kim". Due to that removal, the phrase "that year" now reads as referring to 2005 (the year mentioned in the preceding paragraph in the current version), which is not when the trolling took place.

There are various grammar issues, weirdly inconsistent use of the present and past tense when talking about what are purely past events, and usage of slang (e.g. "sending shots" to mean dissing someone)

Some of these issues may be easily fixable; together, they are a lot of work, and I far from convinced that the rest of the content is accurate, sufficiently cited, or (in the case of multiple lengthy social media quotes from celebs about their beefs with each other) noteworthy enough to include. I don't personally care enough about Lil' Kim to do that work, but think that ripping out the whole section is preferable to letting it stand in a form where it accuses someone of attempted murder without a source and then says it's a shame they didn't manage to kill their victim. Thus I'm just gonna delete the section.

If others want to restore the section in some form, that's their call, but I suggest they at least fix the issues I've noticed and listed above. ExplodingCabbage (talk) 17:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

why don't you modify instead of deleting it Andrei2501 (talk) 17:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Primarily, two reasons:

More work than I was willing to do
I don't know the subject matter well
Given how serious the issues around the shooting were, I was sceptical about whether everything else you added is true, NPOV, and properly sourced. I didn't dig deeply into everything and suspect that if I had done I would've found further problems.

If you want to address the problems I've listed so far, to make sure everything else is true and well-sourced, and then to restore the section, I'm not stopping you; I'm just not, personally, going to do that work, and until somebody does it, WP:BLP calls for ripping the contentious content out of the article rather than letting it stand. ExplodingCabbage (talk) 20:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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