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  • What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):
−Analysis of open-source satellite imagery by the ]'s Digital Forensics Laboratory, San Francisco-based ], European Space Imaging, and the ], has concluded that India did not hit any targets of significance on the Jaba hilltop site in the vicinity of Balakot.+Analysis of open-source satellite imagery by the ]'s Digital Forensics Laboratory, ], European Space Imaging, and the ], has concluded that India did not hit any targets of significance on the Jaba hilltop site in the vicinity of Balakot.
  • Why it should be changed:

Planet labs did not conduct the analysis of the imagery, it provided the imagery and reuters (along with experts they asked) did the analysis. I think it's not that important who provided the images, so I've just replaced that part by "Reuters".

No change to the references is necessary.

Yawkat (talk) 07:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Surgical Strike in Pakistan a Botched Operation? Indian jets carried out a strike against JEM targets inside Pakistani territory, to questionable effect", Medium, 28 February 2019 Quote: "Indian fighter jets carried out strikes against targets inside undisputed Pakistani territory, but open-source evidence suggested that the strike was unsuccessful."
  2. ^ Martin Howell; Gerry Doyle; Simon Scarr (5 March 2019), Satellite images show buildings still standing at Indian bombing site, Reuters Quote: "The images produced by Planet Labs Inc, a San Francisco-based private satellite operator, show at least six buildings on the madrasa site on March 4, six days after the airstrike. ... There are no discernible holes in the roofs of buildings, no signs of scorching, blown-out walls, displaced trees around the madrasa or other signs of an aerial attack."
  3. European Space Imaging (8 March 2019), Satellite Imagery confirms India missed target in Pakistan airstrike Quote: " ... said managing director Adrian Zevenbergen. '... The image captured with Worldiew-2 of the buildings in question shows no evidence of a bombing having occurred. There are no signs of scorching, no large distinguishable holes in the roofs of buildings and no signs of stress to the surrounding vegetation.' "
  4. ^ Marcus Hellyer; Nathan Ruser; Aakriti Bachhawat (27 March 2019), "India's strike on Balakot: a very precise miss?", The Strategist, Australian Strategic Policy Institute Quote: "But India's recent air strike on a purported Jaish-e-Mohammad terrorist camp in Balakot in Pakistan on 26 February suggests that precision strike is still an art and science that requires both practice and enabling systems to achieve the intended effect. Simply buying precision munitions off the shelf is not enough."
  5. ^ Sameer Lalwani; Emily Tallo (17 April 2019), "Did India shoot down a Pakistani F-16 in February? This just became a big deal", Washington Post Quote: " Open-source satellite imagery suggests India did not hit any targets of consequence in the airstrikes it conducted after the terrorist attack on the paramilitaries.
  6. ^ Michael Safi; Mehreen Zahra-Malik (5 March 2019), "Kashmir's fog of war: how conflicting accounts benefit both sides:India and Pakistan's differing narratives are not unusual in the social media age, say experts", Guardian Quote: "Analysis of open-source satellite imagery has also cast doubt on India's claims. A report by the Atlantic Council's Digital Forensic Research Lab was able to geolocate the site of the attack and provide a preliminary damage assessment. It compared satellite images from the days before and after India's strike and concluded there were only impacts in the wooded areas with no damage visible to surrounding structures."
  7. European Space Imaging (8 March 2019), Satellite Imagery confirms India missed target in Pakistan airstrike Quote: " ... said managing director Adrian Zevenbergen. '... The image captured with Worldiew-2 of the buildings in question shows no evidence of a bombing having occurred. There are no signs of scorching, no large distinguishable holes in the roofs of buildings and no signs of stress to the surrounding vegetation.' "
 Not done This is about the source of imagery, not who conducted the analysis. If you think the sentence should be changed to something else, please propose that — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 07:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
If it just said "Analysis of imagery by Plant Labs" I would agree, but in context I disagree. The DFR used Planet Labs imagery, Reuters used Planet Labs imagery, EUSI used Maxar imagery, ASPI used Maxar imagery (via EUSI). So in my opinion, this is a list of the institutions that did the analysis, as it should otherwise say "imagery by Planet Labs and Maxar".
Maybe it is better to make the sentence less ambiguous?
−Analysis of open-source satellite imagery by the ]'s Digital Forensics Laboratory, San Francisco-based ], European Space Imaging, and the ], has concluded that India did not hit any targets of significance on the Jaba hilltop site in the vicinity of Balakot.+Satellite imagery analyzed by the ]'s Digital Forensics Laboratory, ], European Space Imaging, and the ], shows that India did not hit any targets of significance on the Jaba hilltop site in the vicinity of Balakot.
Yawkat (talk) 08:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
@DaxServer WDYT? Yawkat (talk) 19:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 Done — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 07:32, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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Bhatnagarmohitb (talk) 11:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

In retaliation, Pakistan's F-16 was shot down by India's MiG-21 Bison, this is the first time in history that a MiG-21 shot down an F-16.

Many Pakistani terrorist camps were destroyed

Discussed more than once, but to repeat it, this is an unconfirmed claim. Slatersteven (talk) 11:31, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Bunnypranav (talk) 16:34, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Non-neutral language in lead

Today, I replaced an existing citation with another one and changed the lead wording from existing "India claimed that a Pakistani F-16 fighter jet was downed, but that claim has been debunked" to "India claimed that a Pakistani F-16 fighter jet was downed, but that claim was denied by Pakistan". But my edit was reverted by Slatersteven. I wish to ask him if there really exists a universally accepted agency which can "debunk" such claims made by nations during conflicts. I checked the cited American journal hoping to see something concrete but found that the quote in question was just a passing comment from author Daniel Markey (no expert on military topics) citing a Washington Post report. This WP report is itself based on a Foreign Policy report which claimed US counted Pak's F-16s; Pentagon later said that they aren't aware of any such count. So the "Foreign Policy" report remains "disputed" as we still don't know if any such count took place or not. Its better to present things as they are. We have nothing substantial to "debunk" Indian claims of downing an F-16. What we are left with are claims and counter-claims from both the nations. The present version of lead is not in compliance with WP:NEUTRAL, WP:LEAD and WP:ATT. Hence, the change is must. Dympies (talk) 17:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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