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Welcome to Misplaced Pages. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits to Timurid Empire, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Misplaced Pages's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. Thank you. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

September 2024

Hello, I'm Cassiopeia. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Uzbeks, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Cassiopeia talk 22:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

https://thediplomat.com/2016/02/the-weird-case-of-the-uzbek-language/ Anzor.akaev (talk) 18:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at User talk:HistoryofIran. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Misplaced Pages, as you did at Chagatai language, you may be blocked from editing. HistoryofIran (talk) 18:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Uzbek language, you may be blocked from editing. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

You wrote that uzbek is not the same language as Chagatai and i know that. But it says ”formerly known as” and Uzbek was formerly known as Chagatai until 1920. And I provided you academic sources many times. You said by your self that Uzbek is decendant of Chagatai. I have my sources, and it’s proving me right. Anzor.akaev (talk) 22:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

What...? Please look up the meaning of "descendant". HistoryofIran (talk) 22:46, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Descendant means succeeding. Like Yeltsin succeeded by Putin. Uzbek did’nt exist when Chagatai existed, Uzbek language is the successor of Chagatai. Are I’m right or not? Uzbek is the modern Chagatai, same as Uyghur. Anzor.akaev (talk) 22:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Let me put it in this way; If Genghis Khan is part of my lineage, that means he is my descendant, not that we're the same people. So no, Uzbek is not modern Chagatai, and nor is Uyghur. This is like saying Azerbaijani is Old Anatolian Turkish. Here, some WP:RS:

• "In Central Asia, the meaning of previously-existing group names was changed and given an ethnic content. Some groups were declared part of the Uzbek nation, and the boundaries of an entity called “Uzbekistan” (which had never existed before) were delimited (Carlisle 1991b, p.24). The implementation of the nationalities policy was similar in Tajikistan. Tajik national identity was recognized in the national delimitation of 1924. Before the Soviet Union there was no idea of national identity among the population of Tajikistan. During the time of national delimitation there was great confusion among the population of Tajikistan when people were asked to declare their nationality. In Khujand, for example, many could not say whether they were Uzbeks or Tajiks. Some Iranian speakers called themselves Uzbeks. Subsequently Soviet policies began to create a Tajik national consciousness (Harmstone 1970, pp.78–79). The same confusion existed in the newly created Uzbekistan as well; many could not tell whether they were Uzbeks, Tajiks, or Kazakhs" - page 1991, Power, Networks and Violent Conflict in Central Asia: A Comparison of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, Routledge
• "The national identities of both Uzbekistan and Tajikistan were products of Soviet-era policies in both republics." - idem, page 20
• "With the Russian conquest of Central Asia in the late 13th/19th century, the transnational, supra-ethnic language of Chaghatay gradually went out of use and was replaced by other Turkic languages that had been regional varieties but were increasingly seen as literary languages for emerging ethno-nationalities, such as Uzbek, Kazakh and Turkoman" Encyclopaedia Islamica, Brill Publishers
• "In 1938 the ideologists, to rid themselves of the term Chaghatay, prescribed Old Uzbek, though this attributive badly distorted the literary history of the region." - page 230, The Modern Uzbeks: From the Fourteenth Century to the Present: A Cultural History, Edward A. Allworth, Hoover Institution Press, 1990
• Here Uzbek and Chagatai are listed separately: "In Central Asia the Persian interplay with Chagatai, Uzbek, and Uyghur is just one example." - page 42, The Persianate World: Rethinking a Shared Sphere, Abbas Amanat, Brill Publishers

HistoryofIran (talk) 23:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

...And please stop removing sourced information at Tajiks (and elsewhere), you already got reverted twice there... HistoryofIran (talk) 23:15, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

There is no 12 million Tajiks in Uzbekistan, and no sources for that. Anzor.akaev (talk) 23:43, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

You're right, I fixed that. But that does not mean those sources are unreliable. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Again, there was no language called “Uzbek” until 1920, neither “Uyghur”. The language was called Chagatai Turki, and soviets modernised the language and changed the policy. The language was called Uzbek and soviets started to call Chagatai “old Uzbek”. The Uzbek language is not a new language, it has its roots and 100 years ago it was called Chagatai. So why do you keep removing the facts? Anzor.akaev (talk) 23:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

As you've already been told, Misplaced Pages is based on WP:RS, not our personal opinion. And WP:RS clearly contradicts you here. Yes, the source states that Soviets started to call it "Old Uzbek", but it also states that was a distortion. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

But my sources are realiable. I already linked that sources before to you, right? Anzor.akaev (talk) 23:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Sigh.. please read WP:CIR, especially the following "the ability to read and write English well enough to avoid introducing incomprehensible text into articles and to communicate effectively." Your source does not support your claims. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

inline citation (source)

Hello Anzor.akaev, Good day. Pls note all info added or changed needs to be supported by independent, reliable source (inline citation)such as from the newspapers or books. You can use the "horizonal format" of Template:Cite web for source from the web and Template:Cite book for source from the books as this is the Misplaced Pages core policy. Let me know if you have any questions. Cassiopeia talk 22:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

September 2024 - again

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did at Tajiks, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. - Arjayay (talk) 15:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Demographics of Central Asia, you may be blocked from editing. - Arjayay (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove or blank page content or templates from Misplaced Pages without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary, as you did at Timeline of Tajikistani history. - Arjayay (talk) 15:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Assuming good faith

Hi Anzor.akaev, it looks like you're having a really rough start here. Please remember that editors need to assume good faith with one another. Someone isn't a "vandalizer" because they criticized one of your edits - they just disagree with you. Other people aren't out to get you. They're just trying to make sure that our articles follow core policies about verifiability. Feel free to ask me any questions you might have about editing, or you can ask at WP:TEA. -- asilvering (talk) 18:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I love history and, and I’m new member here. I try to learn more about wiki and wan’t to improve my self in interests. Anzor.akaev (talk) 22:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Anzor.akaev, I suggest you to take WP:TWA to understand some of the Misplaced Pages guidelines to help to on editing Misplaced Pages. Cassiopeia talk 23:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)