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Question

Hello,

While idly googling my own name, I found that there existed a briefly-lived entry on Misplaced Pages about me that you deleted.

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Sergey_feldman

Do you know if there is any way to see what this page contained?

Thanks,

Sfeldm2 15:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes. I can undelete it to your user space, if you want, but maybe it will suffice to say that it was a bunch of juvenile vulgarities. This diff will give you an impression of what the article contained.

I've now blocked the user responsible, SergeyLover (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), indefinitely; it appears he was also editing as Meomega15 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), 68.33.150.74 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) and 70.21.68.185 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). You may want to have his contributions and much of the history of Sergey, Switzerland expurged via oversight.

Feel free to ask if you have any questions. Sandstein 18:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your quick response. I suspect that this entry was about someone else, as I haven't offended any middle school students in at least nine years.

Sfeldm2 18:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

What Qualifies as 'Notability'?

I am really trying to improve on some local articles and would like to know a few things. In reply to the comment you left on my page I have a few more questions.

In regards to the Harrah's Casino, what does it have to be to be Notable? There are several other smaller Harrahs Casinos that have their own Misplaced Pages article and yet they don't get deleted. So what do I have to do to make sure an article does not get deleted? I was in the process of gathering more information to Harrah's Council Bluffs when you deleted it. I was also trying to put together information for Horseshoe Council Bluffs as well. And if you say they aren't notable then that doesn't even make sense. Horseshoe Council Bluffs held the World Series of Poker here this year? So does that make it 'notable'? They both have huge concerts with prominant musicians playing. I am just curious because I just dont understand how other Casinos that are so much smaller can have pages but these can't.

As for adding pictures, I would like to know how to add a picture to a site because I have several local pictures that would be a lot better than some of the pictures currently up. Please either let me know how to do this. Also if I upload my own personal pictures up to Photobucket does that mean that photobucket copyrights them and I can't use them anymore? Just curious because you said that "Misplaced Pages doesn't allow the fair use of copyrighted pictures where free ones could be easily created" when I took those pictures. I obviously created them.

So please let me know. Thanks. --LocalBandAid02 20:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

OK. As to notability, an article can be speedily deleted (i.e., without discussion) if it does not assert the importance or significance of its subject. See WP:CSD#A7. Even with such an assertion, an article may be deleted after discussion if despite the assertion the subject is in fact not notable; see WP:N for what we mean by "notable". Please click the blue links to learn more.

As for the photos, you didn't say that you took them. I don't know if the site you uploaded them to now claims copyright, but I should think not. Please click here and follow the instructions to upload your images to our media repository Wikimedia Commons. Sandstein 20:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

But how come you get to decide what is notable expecially since you are not even from around here? The World Series of Poker was held there and it seems like that doesnt even matter. So tell me who I should talk to to get it 'approved' to write these articles please. Because just because it isnt notable to you doesnt mean it isnt to anyone else.

And Please, just don't assume I stole the pictures from some website instead of taking them myself. I know enough about Misplaced Pages that I wouldn't do that. Please if you answer a Help Me call just answer the questions and don't attack the person instead. I'm sorry but I have never experienced anyone this rude for just asking questions. So I am kind of put off by it now. --LocalBandAid02 18:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't get to decide what's notable. The community of editors does, in a deletion discussion if it comes to that. But we, the community, have established a rule that an article must at least state that its subject is in any way important, or there is no discussion at all. Believe me, we have tons of worthless articles about garage bands, random teens or dogs that need speedy deletion. Just check here. If you want to prevent speedy deletion, you should actually write into the article that the World Series of Poker was held there. Read our deletion policy, please.

As to the pictures, your displeasure is duly noted. You did not say that the pictures were yours, so I pointed out that they were copyrighted. We have very, very many people here who try to use copyrighted images on Misplaced Pages. This is a volunteer site, and no one is obliged or paid to answer your requests. You will have to accept whatever help you get, and in my experience, if you are nice about it, people will be nice to you, too. Sandstein 18:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't mean in any way when I was aking for help. It was being accused of using copyrighted photos(and you are still saying the pictures are copyrighted for some reason... not sure why because they aren't) and the fact that you came to my page to 'help' when both questions I asked were not even answered. I am just saying that instead of treating new people like that you should just promote cooperation between Misplaced Pages users instead of jumping to conclusions. If you answer the 'help' calls you should at least try to help. And I understand that there are plenty of articles that should be deleted from 'garage bands, random teens and dogs' but that was not a garage band or anything close to being insignificant. It was a very large Casino in the area with over 2000 employees and a very important part of this metro area. So please do not delete it when it is just a few hours old before I have time to add anything else to it. Thank you for your help. --LocalBandAid02 20:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Belated thanks

Thank you for your nomination of my article Military simulation for inclusion in the front page Did you know section for 30th March 2007. I've only just discovered who the nomination came from (I'm a little slow sometimes!), but it was a massive thrill at the time to realise that my hard work had been noticed and appreciated... especially as it's my first complete article. You made a slightly apprehensive newbie editor feel welcome and part of this amazing project, and for that I will be forever grateful. EyeSerene 13:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome - thanks for the kind words! Sandstein 14:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Creation history request

Thanks for your help with that vandalism. I wonder if you can tell me who uploaded the original image (NOT the cartoon). I suspect it might have been me, in which case I wasn't informed and the photograph was possibly taken by me. Cheers. --Mal 20:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Image

My image wasn't copyright infregment, it was free. Why was it deleted? We absolutely need a Lloyd Banks image and that one wasn't copyright infregment. - Super48 14:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

All photographs are copyrighted by default by their photographers, unless copyright protection is explicitly waived. Can you please indicate who the rights holder of File:Lloydbanks.PNG (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) is and where they have released the rights to their image? Sandstein 14:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

The person is here. I chatted with them on that forum, where they said anyone could use the Lloyd Banks image. - Super48 14:58, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, but you should not have uploaded the image based on that chat. The image is a professionally-made publicity photograph, and its copyright is likely owned by the artist or his agency. It is highly unlikely that the user "theboy67" on that forum owns the copyright on that image. Most likely he just copied it from somewhere on the internet. He can't release copyright protection on an image that he does not own. Sandstein 15:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

But I've heard about a Lloyd Banks concert recently. It already took place, so I bet he took it there. - Super48 15:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

The image is a publicity shoot; it does not look like it was taken at a concert. Even if it was, we would need a post by the author with a credible assertion like "I, <real name> took this photograph at <concert> and I hereby release it into the public domain." We must take copyright seriously here. Sandstein 15:40, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I rpelied on my talk page. What made you think I uploaded the image of Sergeant Yates? - Super48 16:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I will continue discussion on your talk page. Sandstein 16:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

can i just say

why was my autoblock declined? MasterEditor99 21:31, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

See User talk:MasterEditor99#Why? and Rklawton's statements there. Sandstein 04:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks/Sorry

I was told that I should post a brief note about it on the AN/I. I'm not familiar with wiki rules and procedures and I do not know what penalties (if any) apply to backdooring procedures.

Personally, it wasn't a big deal to me, as the only socks I have are on my feet. And, it wasn't actually me he was after, it was the user he thought I was a sock of.

I found it amusing that he went to that much effort to have me investigated.

Sorry if the post was improper or disrupted AN/I.

Peace in God. -john Lsi john 20:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem, nothing to apologise about. Best, Sandstein 21:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

DCGeist Breaking 3RR rule again

He's at it again. 4 reverts in a matter of minutes on the same page - deleting my comments in support of his "time out." He thinks disagreeing with him is an attack, apparently. I am being honest in my assessment, but not attacking by any stretch. I was equally critical if the other guy on his page.

View Page

Declined, see your talk. Sandstein 05:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Beatles Fab Four

I am sorry to bother you with this, I just didn't want to take up this matter officially (yet) and you have been impartial and fair in my dealings with you. Beatles Fab Four has been seriously disrupting the regular work of Misplaced Pages.

• Deleting sourced material or reverting/removing sourced material from articles: , , ,

, and far more. Note that all his contributions are to one article, Bronze Soldier of Tallinn, during last few days it has become virtually impossible to edit the article.

• Refusing to reasonably discuss the changes, as can be seen from his talk and article talk page Talk:Bronze Soldier of Tallinn#DLX, with such gems like "Well, I get bored of your annoying comments.", "I presume you are a denier of the Holocost", "Who cares about internal affairs of the US?" (about Nurenberg Trials and U.S. High Commission in Germany), .
• Constantly abusing and insulting edit summaries :

 * "Do you know how to read, I doubt"
 * "Hey DLX IT IS YOU WHO WANTED THIS BLOG"
 * "It was discussed, but WAS NOT AGREED UPON. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO EDIT "
 * "We freed Europe from Nazism, while you cleared Estonia from Jews"
 * "You Estonians wanted it. We didn't start the fire V"
 * "To my small estonian friend" (repeatedly)
 * "I'd immediately write a letter to Kostya if you don't stop misinterprete him"
 * "I'read the revised version. it's too complicateted to catch the point. maybe just drop this reaction"
 * "DLX where did you study English? PTU?"

• Pasting sections in Russian to talk pages, and when user Staberinde asked for a translation, his reply was "I'm not a doctor. Can't teach you Russian. Bye and best wishes."

I am asking from you a suggestion what to do? It is clear that Beatles Fab Four will not start to contribute or discuss his changes in a meaningful way in near future. He has been asked and warned repeatedly to "mend his ways", but so far nothing has helped. DLX 15:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I have no opinion about the appropriateness (or not) of the contested material on the Bronze Soldier article, but I agree, this is annoying conduct. For the time being, I have blocked the user for violation of the username policy, and warned them about their disruptive edits. Feel free to notify me, or any other admin through WP:AIV if this keeps up after an eventual username change. Sandstein 18:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

As he is a new user, I would have thought warning more appropriate as of now - but of course, username violation is there as well - din't realize that. Thank you once again. DLX 18:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

*sighs* I think he is now back as an anonymous user - see by 85.140.209.67. Perhaps it would be useful to apply for semi-protection again? DLX 19:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

It is preferable to warn and block disruptive users instead of locking up articles. I've issued another warning. Sandstein 19:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Now he is user:Beatle Fab Four. DLX 19:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Briefly blocked for continuing disruption. Sandstein 19:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Sandstein! Many users (not only me) are angered by DLX behavior. Look at Bronze Soldier discussion page for their views. Please block him. That'd be fair 85.140.209.118 20:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, holding views that you disagree with is not grounds for blocking. You are in a content dispute. Read WP:DR for how to proceed in such a situation. I've yet to see a diff by DLX that you believe violates a Misplaced Pages policy and is grounds for blocking. Sandstein 20:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Look at his posts please, and at warnings of other users like M.V.E.i. and Irpen. His views sometimes are very offending, not smart, and I dare to say almost pro-Nazi. Beatle 85.140.209.118 20:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

We do not block people for having views. But we do block people for expressing them in a disruptive manner, and this includes calling other people names, like you just did. Admins intervene when people disrupt Misplaced Pages through edit-warring, and I will block DLX when I find him doing it. But admins do not block people to help others in a content dispute. You need to solve this content dispute by yourself. WP:DR explains how to. Please read it. Sandstein 21:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

DLX, if you have a problem with the user, try better solve it without calling for administrative intervention. If you absolutely can't, you should post to the proper boards designed to call for administrative attention and not cherry-pick admins to lodge your complaints.

As for this conflict, obviously both users have been rather opinionated, should I say, and lost temper on several occasions. A username block is not something I am going to comment on, but if the block is going to be made for the disruption or other misconduct, both parties are equally guilty. IMO, they behavior still does not amount for a block as obviously they develop the article and explain themselves at talk. But people can disagree on how much of bad behavior warrants a block. --Irpen 21:28, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

BTW DLX didn't follows the steps WP:DR you offered me to follow. I believe this is unfair. Beatle 85.140.209.118 21:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Beatle, just go to Talk:Bronze Soldier of Tallinn, and discuss the changes you would like to make there, and then wait until you have consensus for them before you make them. The same, of course, goes for DLX. If anyone involved here calls the other names, or engages in edit-warring, I will (and any other admin should) block them once notified. And that, gentlemen, will be all, I should think. Sandstein 22:04, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to start a discussion. Now I'm switching off 85.140.208.210 22:28, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

What's the problem then man? I don't touch the article. Let some natinalists vandalize it. I believe it's fair thay you say the same words of warning to that user as you said to me. LOVE AND PEACE BEATLES 85.140.211.236 23:41, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

DLX, dont you have any shame?! Misplaced Pages is a free-edit place, so the Beatles Fab Four has the right to edit it just like you. If he removes stuff from your articles, it's because you write bullshit. An example for it is you stating that your SS didnt kill any Jews, thought all the historical facts show you started killing Jews before the Germans even arrived. Theres nothing wrong in bringing articles in Russian, you can read it so whats your problem??

And don't blame the Fab Four for somthing he didn't do, i was the one calling you little people. Actually, he reasonobly discussed the article with you, but you just started telling such lies that it was impossible to talk to you. And Russians really liberated Europe from the Nazis, while all you did in your intire history is killing Jews in your country, those are facts. DLX, all your edits are pure lies, and writing lies on Misplaced Pages just so you could soften your nationaal shame, is VANDALISM. DLX, you did it in the Estonian way! You started an edit-war and then ran crying that you've got wipped-out by facts! You proved yourself to be a true Estonian! And you Sandstein, if you are a real administrator then go to the Bronze Libarator talk page and study the case. You will see the lies thet DLX spoke there, and you will see that any normal person couldn't take it. Who cares about the tree-revert-rule? Fab Four should get a star for fighting against Vandalizm, and not to be blocked. Fabe Four saw that some people there start writing lies in articles, and he didnt think about the three revert rule, he fought Vandalism! M.V.E.i. 15:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Hadouken!

umm why did you delete the article on Hadouken! the band? Jamallewis69 20:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I did not delete Hadouken!, other admins did. See here, and see your talk page for the boilerplate explanation. Sandstein 20:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)