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Disenfranchisement

Petri Krohn has repeatedly attempted to push disenfranchisement into this article, as he has done repeatedly before -- most notably in Bronze Soldier of Tallinn. A new twist is sliding the evaluative claim of "restrictive citizenship laws" in.

I have removed both of these claims. As of 2007, the idea that immigrants would be "disenfranchised" by "restrictive citizenship laws" is not even a notable WP:POV in Estonian politics anymore, as it was in 1992, or when Max van der Stoel of the OCSE made his infamous declarations. It mainly a private POV of Petri Krohn, and does not deserve Misplaced Pages as its soapbox. Digwuren 18:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Disenfranchisement and denaturalisatrion (or what ever you want to call them) were not only the policy, but the cause of existance of the Congress. Disenfranchisement was achieved in two ways:

By pressuring the Supreme Soviet into accepting citizenship and election laws that limited citizenship to jus sanguinis Estonians.
By its existance as a shadow parliament elected among the enfranchised.

-- Petri Krohn 07:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S This article is about an organization that existed prior to 1993. What ever Estonians of today think is "notable" in the politics of Estonia today, or whatever "truth" they now subscribe to, should have no bearing to this article. -- Petri Krohn 07:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Personal comments

As you brought up the issue of my personality, I guess it gives me the right to respond. I have over 18,000 edits on Misplaced Pages. Very few are about subjects a have an opinion on, many are on subjects I did not even know about. You on the other hand registered to Misplaced Pages only after the Bronze Soldier controversy erupted. (If you are one of the editors from Estonia who contributed to the artilce under an anonymous IP, you do not seem to have any previous edits to your IP address either.) Your edits to Misplaced Pages so far seem to consist only of Estonian POV-pushing. Your chief concern seems to be removing any reference to the "disenfranchisement", or the rights (and lack of them) of Estonia's Russian minority from Misplaced Pages. Please stop. If you want to edit Misplaced Pages, please contribute something usefull.

As for pushing something into this article: I did not "push" anything into the article, I wrote it! You and your Estonian friends could (and should) have done it a long ago.

And now for the positive: Thanks for contributing the "Politics" section to the article. I fully agree with what you wrote. -- Petri Krohn 08:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

...some POV

Estonians had the option of following a "democratic" path to independence. The independence movement originated in the Communist Party of Estonia. The Supreme Soviet "affirmed" Estonia's independence on August 20. By September 17 it was a full member of the United Nations. The fast acceptance of Estonia into the UN, and the almost immediate acknowledgement of its independence was based on the premise, that the new Republic of Estonia was the successor state of the Republic of Estonia (1990-1991) (Oops! you deleted the article!) and the Estonian SSR, inheriting its liabilities and citizens.

This was however unaceptable to the Congress, hence the constitutional changes of 1992. In fact Estonian school book list Lennart Meri and Mart Laar (written by Mart Laar, I hear) as the first President and Prime Minister of independent Estonia, signifying a revolutionary breach of legal continuity between the independent Estonia of Arnold Rüütel and Edgar Savisaar

-- Petri Krohn 07:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

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