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Bubba the Love Sponge
BornApril 23, 1966
Warsaw, Indiana
OccupationRadio Talk Show Host
Websitewww.btls.com

Bubba the Love Sponge Clem (born Todd Clem in Warsaw, Indiana on April 23, 1966) is a Tampa, Florida radio talk show host who has had a colorful past. His radio show can be heard five days (Monday-Friday) a week between 3PM and 7PM (EST) on Howard 101, a channel on Sirius Satellite Radio. Replays of the show can be heard between 1-5AM (EST) also on Howard 101. Beginning February 23, 2007, the Bubba the Love Sponge Show will broadcast live Friday mornings from 6am to 10am on Howard 101; that show will rebroadcast on Friday afternoon from 3:00 – 7:00 pm ET.

Bubba on Terrestrial Radio

Beginning initially on college radio station WISU in Terre Haute, Indiana, Bubba made his professional debut on April 1, 1985. After initially using "Rockin' Bubba Clem" as his on-air moniker, a fellow DJ gave Bubba the name "Bubba The Love Sponge" which became his permanent radio name. Bubba has trademarked the name, and he legally changed his name to Bubba The Love Sponge Clem in 1999.

By the time he was 25 years old, Bubba was doing morning drive radio in Chicago. He worked as a DJ in the CHR (Contemporary Hit Radio) and Top 40 fields, earning multiple national awards from Billboard Magazine for his work. Bubba moved around a great deal in his early years, as many DJs have to do, working in markets like Grand Rapids, Cincinnati, San Antonio, Philadelphia, Milwaukee and Orlando.

Bubba began to develop his edgy style at WXXL in Orlando. After Bubba's contract with WXXL was not renewed, he moved onto Tampa's WFLZ-FM, then known as The Power Pig 93.3 to work nights. It was there he began to draw national attention for his controversial style. One of Clem's more popular on-air bits was "No Panties Thursday."

In December 1996, WXTB, known in Tampa as 98 Rock, hired Bubba for the morning drive time slot. That was a departure for Bubba from his usual pop radio environment, but he welcomed the new challenge. Clem was paired with comedy writer Mike "Manson" Waters to write sketches for Clem's show. "The Bubba the Love Sponge Show" rose quickly in the ratings, with Clem becoming something of a pop culture icon in the Tampa Bay area.

Clem often criticized local politicians and national leaders on issues when he disagreed with the politicians. Clem was also critical of a style of radio that he called "warm and fuzzy radio", which Clem claimed to be mind-numbing fluff. His brash style appealed primarily to blue-collar workers and long-haul truckers.

In 1997 Clem opened up "Planet Bubba," a nightclub in Clearwater, FL. He owned a series of restaurants and nightclubs in the Tampa Bay area including, Bubba's Ale House, Bubba's Beach Club in Ybor City, and Plush in Tarpon Springs, FL.

During January 2001, "The Bubba The Love Sponge Show" went into syndication. During its run in syndication, the show aired on stations in Jacksonville, Orlando, Hartford, West Palm Beach, Ft. Myers, Wichita, Shreveport and Macon. XM Satellite Radio carried the show as well, first on tape delay, and then live in east coast morning drive.

Radio & Records named Bubba the national Active Rock Personality/Show of the Year for 2002 and 2003. Many stations, however, declined to carry Clem's show when offered syndication rights due to its controversial nature.

Pig Killing Controversy

Clem was arrested in 2001 with two hunters and executive producer Brent Hatley and prosecuted by Hillsborough County State Attorney Mark Ober on charges of animal cruelty after the hunters slaughtered a pig in an on-air event called "Bubba's Road Kill Barbecue." The suspicion of cruelty resulted from a replay button on his soundboard that was linked to a recorded group of boar feasting from a trough that Bubba played several times in succession, giving the impression that the pig was being brutally slaughtered.

In reality, Bubba had called the Florida Fish and Wildlife association before the show and was given the state statute regarding the legal and humane way to slaughter wild boar. Bubba instructed the regulations to be followed by having the boar slaughtered by the professional trapper who captured it under the supervision of two Tampa Police officers. Bubba and the others were acquitted by a six person jury in 52 minutes after a 2002 trial.

Clear Channel and FCC troubles

The Federal Communications Commission issued a Notice of Apparent Liability (a precursor to a fine) of US$755,000 against four stations owned by Clear Channel Communications on January 27, 2004 for complaints made by a single individual made for broadcasts that all took place in 2001. The fine consisted of the maximum of $27,500 for each of 26 airings of a segment the FCC alleged were "designed to pander to, titillate and shock listeners", plus $40,000 for record-keeping violations. This is considered to be the single largest ever fine to be elicited by the FCC to any entertainment medium.

Clem's contract with Clear Channel was terminated on 24 February, 2004, and his syndicated program was canceled. Clear Channel later reached a settlement with the FCC rather than fight the validity of the claims issued in the NAL.

Bubba on Satellite Radio

Radio show
The Bubba the Love Sponge Show
File:Bubba new times.gif
GenreComedy, Talk
Running time4 hours (approximately)
Country of originUnited States United States
Home stationHoward 101
StarringBubba
Brent Hatley
Manson
Ned
SpiceBoy
Created byBubba the Love Sponge
Executive producer(s)Brent Hatley
Original releasePresent
Opening theme"Voodoo Child" by Jimi Hendrix
Websitehttp://btls.com

On Friday September 9 2005, Howard Stern announced that he would bring Bubba with him to Sirius Satellite Radio. His show has made its debut on Sirius January 9, 2006 in its regular timeslot, 4-8 p.m. Eastern, 1-5 p.m. Pacific, live on Howard 101. The schedule was later moved one hour earlier, from 3-7 pm Eastern Time. On February 23, 2007 the show started broadcasting live Friday mornings from 6-10 a.m. Eastern opposite Howard Stern's Mastertape Theater (with the morning show replayed in the afternoon 3-7 p.m. time slot). The Monday through Thursday show schedule remains unchanged from 3-7 p.m.

Cruel and Unusual Bits

In April of 2006, Bubba shaved a man's genitals and sprayed them with carburetor cleaner.

Stern has made frequent references to Bubba's antics on his show, often describing Bubba as insane. Prior to the Stern Film Festival on April 27, 2006, Bubba and crew were on Stern's daily show. Sal the Stockbroker, Richard Christy, Scott Ferrall and several Hustler girls were victims of the shock collar. Stern and his cast now use the terms "Shock the puss" and "Shocking the balls" on a regular basis during their show as well.

Ned Controversy

Also during the Film Festival, fans were thrown into controversy in regards to whether Nedly Mandingo, one of the recurring characters on the show, was a shoot or a work. Ned's persona is certainly outrageous: he is portrayed as an elderly man who is bisexual, addicted to drugs, and a racist. Fans commenting state that the person appearing as Ned on the red carpet was an actor paid to appear in Ned's likeness widely shown on Bubba's website. Howard 100 correspondent Shuli interviewed Ned (or the actor) on the red carpet, leading fans to claim that Ned in fact is a character manifestation of Manson and Manson's father plays him in public. The rumor continued after an episode of Bubba Crib's aired featuring Ned's home. The show is a spin off of mtv cribs and was to feature the homes of staff members from The Bubba The Love Sponge Show on the pay service website Bubba Raw (www.bubbaraw.com). In the episode featuring Ned's home, Ned is never seen speaking (up close at least) to the camera. He narrates the episode as if he were holding the camera in a first person perspective. This supports the rumor that in fact Manson is responsible for the voice of Ned and thus that is why he did not narrate in front of the camera like all other episodes. It has also been rumored that Hulk Hogan mistakenly revealed that Ned stands for Non Existent Dude. On the air, Bubba affirms the existence of Ned, and seems irritated by the persisting rumors to the contrary.

On the Chip Controversy

On Bubba's July 3, 2006 show, he recited the tracks on his upcoming "On The Chip" dual disc cd box set, and realized that two tracks were not on the final list he approved for the cd's production. These tracks were the song "40s and Blunts" from his infamous rap album produced in the early 1990s which he dislikes and is embarrassed by, and the time Ned told a dirty story to his son Tyler, which Bubba claims may cause him child custody problems. Upon discovering this information, Bubba proceeded to have an on air meltdown and severely lash out at Executive Producer Brent Hatley for allowing this, saying that he and Ned would both pay the production costs of the 20,000 already made discs, and threatened not to release the set.

The dual disc set was released, but only after Bubba talked with Tyler's mother to get her approval and any profanity used by Tyler was censored. Bubba said that he has intentionally not mentioned that the albums are for sale, due to his anger with what occurred.

Racing Robin Challenge

On August 1, 2006 on the Howard Stern Show Robin Quivers announced she bought a Corvette Z06 and was considering going to racing school to learn how to race cars. Howard Stern suggested that she challenge Bubba. She agreed and challenged Bubba to a race. On August 2, 2006 on the Howard Stern Show Bubba called-in to accept Robin’s challenge. Howard asked Bubba if he would agree to get breast implants for a year if he loses against Robin. Bubba suggested he could wear a dress if he loses. They decided to wait until after Robin learns to race before making any details final. The current bet is that Bubba will get to make out with Robin if he wins, but must make out with Richard Christy if he loses.

The Kabuki Project

On August 31, 2006, at exactly 4:00pm, Bubba officially unveiled the much anticipated Kabuki Project. A nine minute trailer which began with the Paramount Home Video "Feature Presentation" bumper followed by the THX intro theme. The Kabuki Project featured all the key members of the show, including:

  • Bubba the Love Sponge as Mr. Big-a crime lord with a jukebox that plays only George Michael music, drives a yellow Miata, and offers guests various drugs including Xanax, Cialis, and chewable Ambien.
  • Brent Hatley as "The Brain," an informant who lives in a dumpster, loves marijuana brownies and makes dubious claims such as "Adolf Hitler was the captain of the Titanic, Washington, DC is the 51st state, Will Ferrell was killed in a hang gliding accident in San Diego and Charles Lindbergh was the first man to land on Mars.
  • Ned as "NM3"-a double agent who loves sex with chickens.
  • Manson-as the narrator, as well as Special Agent 420, who is stuck eating pot brownies with the Brain, who says the largest planet is Pluto.
  • Spiceboy-Winner of the "Bodyguard of the Year" award, but caught having sex with Cowhead.
  • CoCo as "The Interrogator," whose assignment is to have sex with Gene Lasker for information located in his groin.
  • Gene Lasker as a gay man in a dance club who is meant to be the target of The Interrogator, but shunned him in favor of NM3.
  • 25 Cent as "The Monkey Man," a deal man who shows off his big black penis for sexual favors and yells like a monkey.
  • Chip as a pedophile who is seduced by NM3 after taking a drink laced with Rohypnol.
  • Hammel as Mr. Big's personal handservant.
  • Dr. Mark who revives a dying man with Cialis.

Bit characters include: Hulk Hogan, the object of Mr. Big's affection, and claims the Kabuki Project is "almost like seeing God." Pat O'Brien, who claims the Kabuki Project is "so fucking hot." Janey Cakes, who says the only thing better than the Kabuki Project is "ANAL!" Jimmy Jams, who says if you don't like the Kabuki Project, "I could really actually be elevated to throw fists in here."

The ending of the Kabuki Project is a direct rip of The Silence of the Lambs, where NM3 has Chip in a pit, recreating the "Lotion in the Basket" scene. Chip claims he knows the real identity of NM3, but when he gives out the name, the Price is Right theme plays.

The Kabuki Project is also the name of their second CD released while broadcasting over Sirius. This CD opens with the bit titled The Kabuki Project. There was some minor controversy surrounding the art work for this CD cover, which was done by Jaeger (SFN Darkside Moderator). Ned's name was missing from the credits on the front cover, but Ned did have bits done on the CD. This CD was released on November 17, 2006.

Brent Hatley song parodies

Brent Hatley, the executive producer of the show, is the subject of numerous parody songs written and performed by Ned. The subjects range from Brent's political views and activism, his marijuana usage, his skin tone and his weight plus his being a mark for the Florida Gators football and basketball teams. The parodies include varitions of the following songs,

Annual Shit Your Pants Contest

On November 27, 2006, Bubba held the first annual Shit Your Pants Contest. The rules for the Shit Your Pants contest were that it would either be the last person to hold their bowel movements after taking bowel movement inducing medication, or at 6:15PM, if no one had moved their bowels, to change the rules to be the first person to move their bowels won. All of the contestants wore diapers and had to defecate into them.

Bubba gave his co-workers the following mixture of medications at 1:00PM the day of the contest:

  • Magnesium citrate
  • Six super colon blows
  • Ex-lax brownies, baked by Bubba's then Fiancé/Now Wife Heather
  • Six papaya enzymes

Though mostly in pain, by 6:15PM no one had moved their bowels, at which point, Bubba counted down the seconds until the rules change. There was a tie between Brent, Spice Boy, and Jughead, as they were all able to instantly move their bowels. The winner was then determined by the weight, in which with three pounds, Jughead won.

There is some minor controversy surrounding if Jughead had urinated in his diaper to give him an unfair weight advantage. Bubba ruled that urine is okay.

After the contest when Spice Boy used the bathroom, his bowel movement contained a very large amount of blood. He believes that a colon polyp broke.

Bubba later offered $50.00 to anyone who got good footage of themselves making a bowel movement later that day, if he could use it for Bubba Raw.

Bubba had intended to put the video from this contest on Bubba Raw, but decided against it because the "over thinkers up north" might have given him trouble with it.

Fire Side Chat

On the December 6, 2006 show, Bubba held what he referred to as a “Fire Side Chat.” The reasoning behind this was to address several problems he has had while working for Sirius.

He asked his employees to unhook the phones so that Sirius corporate could not reach him, made it clear that Sirius may cut him off and go to commercials, so stated for his listeners to pay attention for a specific closing statement, and asked all of his on air staff to leave the studio.

Some of the claims that Bubba made are:

  • Bubba claims that after paying all of his bills and his employees’ payroll, there is no money left for him. He stated that he is living off his savings from when he worked on terrestrial radio.
  • He said he took the deal because, at the time, no one else would hire him and he decided he was willing to "build for the future." He said he wasn't complaining because it was his own fault that he was in that situation, but that he felt he was giving Sirius a good deal and that he felt unappreciated.
  • Bubba stated that Sirius corporate does not do enough to advertise his show, as well as Scott Ferrall.
  • Bubba also believes that some of the executives of the company do not believe in him.
  • His contract is only for two years, which he intends to work out. He stated that he had previously kept this quiet until this point.
  • Bubba asked his listeners to buy Sirius radios the following weekend to show their support for his show.

The following morning on The Howard Stern Show, Bubba's Fire Side Chat was discussed at length, including a number of jokes on Bubba's continued misuse of the word "intangible." Bubba's response on his following show was that he was thankful to Howard for making his boring Fire Side Chat humorous and that he would never do one again.

Cast and Crew of the Show

  • Bubba The Love Sponge (Birth Name: Todd Clem): Host
  • Manson: On-Air Talent, Bit Writer, Song Parody Writer, Celebrity Voice Impersonator
  • Nedley Mandingo: On-Air Talent, Bit Writer, performs crank calls.
  • Brent Hatley: Executive Producer, On-Air Talent
  • Spiceboy: Producer, On-Air Talent, Spiceboy was reinitiated to the show on May 15, 2006. He had worked both afternoon drive and more recently morning drive at WXTB 98 Rock until he was let go due to Clear Channels "Zero Tolerance" policy on indecency.
  • 25 Cent: Associate Producer, Only Black Man On Show, Rumored to live at the studio.
  • David Rice: Engineer, Technical Producer, also known as "Dave the Engineer".
  • Jughead: Videographer
  • DJ Dave: Assistant Videographer, Also DJ at "Thee Dollhouse" , a local Tampa strip club
  • Jabba: Intern
  • Russ/The Ferret: The newest staff member, "web guy."
  • Hammill: Web guy
  • Big Dick: Office Manager
  • Craig the Bulldog: "Mr. Fix It" of the BRN
  • Carbunkle: Intern

Bubba Facts

Spin-Off Shows

It is rumored that there are a few show ideas being tossed around to be picked up by Sirius in the near future. Some of the shows include, but are not limited to:

  • A behind the scenes show featuring all off-air producers.
  • A "Women of BRN" show featuring the wives of the on-air talent.
  • A Ned specialty hour. (Premiered in Bubba's timeslot from 7:00pm EST to 8:00pm EST, 1/22/07 on Sirius radio)
  • Conspiracy Corner (an hour-long program talking about some of the world's biggest conspiracy theories) hosted by Brent Hatley, the most recent episode aired 1/29/07 from 7-8pm EST on Howard 101.

Show Regulars

  • Hulk Hogan: Bubba claims he is Hogan's number one fan. The two are close friends outside of the radio show. Bubba often refers to him as "Hootie."
  • Tony Stewart: Tony is a friend of Bubba's but has been banned from appearing on the show by sponsor The Home Depot and owner Joe Gibbs.
  • Gene Lasker: Frequent guest of the show who built Bubba's torture rack. Lasker is usually involved in the various shockings and other assorted fun stuff. Known for his bit "Gene Lasker Investigates." In April 2006, Bubba stated on-air that Lasker would either have to be tortured himself or not come back on the show. Lasker was subsequently tortured and invited back to the show, however, after intern Chip mistakenly continued to torture him after Lasker used his safe word, Lasker proceeded to break down a door in the studio, followed by smashing one of Bubba's digital cameras on the wall outside the studios and burning out with his car. Recently he underwent a makeover, in which his beloved mullet was cut off. During the haircut it was discovered he actually had "mullet extensions." On February 7, 2007, Bubba announced that Lasker's handicapped 14 year old daughter, Jennifer, had died the previous day during the show.
  • Tucker Carlson: A friend of Bubba and pundit who currently hosts Tucker, a national television news show, which is broadcast weekdays at 4 p.m. and 6 p.m. ET on MSNBC.

Frequent Bits

  • Ned's crank calls (trademarked by repeatedly calling his targets and saying progressively more outrageous things to progressively more exasperated recipients; "You got your mailman drivin' around with a truck full of Malcolm X stamps and pretty soon he starts hearing little voices... kill the white man... kill the white man... kill the white man... next thing you know he's up on a water tower with a God-damned M16...")
  • Evel Knievel voice message (Callers call in looking to talk to Bubba, but are redirected to a soundboard of Evil Knievel controlled by Bubba. The voice recording is so convincing that most callers think they are talking to a real person. Evil Knievel yells and cusses at the caller which usually results in a befuddled or vulgar response from the caller.) This bit was discontinued after Bubba's termination at Clear Channel, but revived in totally uncensored form on his Sirius show.
  • Various bits involving electricity, particularly tasers. Guests have been voluntarily shocked with "fish hook" tasers, men have had their testicles shocked and women have been the subject of a bit called "shock the puss".
  • Faqku - A crime fighting Asian man who takes orders from Asshopper. Asshopper tries to act like Yoda and Confucius all rolled in to one.
  • Blackman - Blackman is a spoof of the original Batman series. The series is thick with racial satire between all characters.
  • Whenever Bubba and the crew need to discuss something off-air, they play the theme song to The Price Is Right to avoid dead air.

Common show sayings and soundbites

Euphemisms

Due to content regulations on terrestrial radio, Bubba developed a system of euphemisms when talking about sexually explicit or controversial topics. This slang has persisted into the satellite radio show.

  • "McGillicutty" (A word that can be used in place of any noun, "Put the McGillicutty over there.")
  • "Jones" (Another placeholder, usually for actions, "He gave her the three finger jones".)
  • "Deal" (A catch-all term mostly used as a noun, i.e. "Here's the deal." Also used to refer to male genitalia, "Put the McGillicutty on your deal.")
  • "Diacos" (Fake Breasts, named after Bubba's favorite plastic surgeon Dr. Dan Diaco, "Look at the Diacos on that chick!")
  • "Rattler" (A bottle of pills/pharmaceuticals that are abused, "They say we can't smoke weed or eat pot brownies on the air, but we can drink beer, and I have my "rattler" right here.")
  • "Lady Bug" (The term Bubba uses when referring to his own penis.)
  • "Burn a Wheel" (Smoking marijuana, "do you need to go out back and burn a wheel?")
  • "Willie" (An extraneous word often added for emphasis. "The website's bogged down willie.")
  • "Yellow Bird" (an unspecified narcotic that Bubba and Hootie have in their rattlers)
  • "Wrapping The Toots" (Snorting cocaine; "Brent wrapped the toots once again this weekend...")
  • "Chalking Lines" (Same as Wrapping The Toots.)
  • "Cricket Capers" (Enjoying favors provided by young females; see "Cricket" below)

The Price Is Right Gimmick

Whenever Bubba and the staff want to discuss something off the air, Bubba will play the Price Is Right theme song and turn the microphones off. They refer to this as "Price-is-righting it" or "Price is Right jones."

Slang used on the show

The show is notable for the large vocabulary used by the staff. Many of the terms have their origin in Carny and Professional Wrestling culture.

  • "shoot" (Real, not staged)
  • "booker" (The person in charge)
  • "work" (Fake, staged)
  • "mark" (Gullible fan, or generally used to signify an embarrassing buffoon)
  • "jabroni" (an idiot or bufoon; worse than a mark, implies wimpiness or effeminate qualities)
  • "jobber" (pro wrestling term referring to a wrestler whose role is to lose matches on a regular basis; when used on the show usually means just some random person)
  • "cricket" (a woman who is not your spouse, attractive; not a term of endearment, synonymous with whore or groupie, but less offensive to the ear; often used when referring to strippers)
  • "cricket caper" (an illicit or shady sexual encounter with a woman who is not your spouse)
  • "kayfabe" (Portrayal of staged events as real, illusion, also a way to tell others to shut up about a secret)
  • "K-5" (something very secret, see kayfabe above)
  • "bury" (To lower someones status, humiliate)
  • "rib" (a joke, usually at someone else's expense; a mild burial)
  • "put over" (to compliment or praise; the opposite of a burial)
  • "cut a promo" (to yell or curse someone out)
  • "iggy" (private or secret information; as in "I've got the iggy on the Spice Boy situation")
  • "grease" (to attack, disrespect or defeat another; "Howard had me on the show and just greased me with fat jokes")
  • "Full Trucker Effect"/"FTE" (a long-haul trucker that listens to the show, a phrase adopted from the Johnny Socko song, Full Trucker Effect, with which Bubba opens every show.)
  • "babyface" (to flatter or to be a nice guy; "Don't try to babyface Brent, tell us what's got you so angry!")
  • "stiff" (to be stern or angry or mean; to be overly aggressive; the opposite of babyface)
  • "full hot" (dual meaning. 1:to be very pissed off; 2:to be very attracted to a woman. variants include "half hot", "quarter hot", etc)
  • "on the chip" (to be angry, annoyed or grumpy)
  • "chicken sandwich" (a freebie or gift given by a mark)
  • "dark match" (a non-televised wrestling match that serves as a crowd warm-up before the main show goes on live tv; when used on the show it usually refers to a subpar substitution/imitation or something of less inspiring quality. "Kurt and Kyle Busch are nothing but a bunch of dark match Tony Stewarts")
  • "heel" (the bad guy in a wrestling match; "Is it me or has Brent been a heel towards Bubba since he took up mixed martial arts?")

Random Soundbites

  • "I think I'm gonna have to choose...Bubba!" (Robin Quivers appearing on the show and choosing between Bubba and Brent who she would rather have sex with) On January 16, 2007, Robin later recanted and said she would chose Brent.
  • "Save that for Cheech or Bob Kane." (Statement made when Bubba feels someone is trying to mislead him)
  • "Anal!" (A sound bite of Bubba's mother, Janie Cakes)
  • "Here's the deal..." (How Bubba starts off nearly every show, often imitated by Artie Lange on the Stern Show)
  • "He baffled me with bullshit!" (sound bite of Ned's response to one of Brent's rants)
  • "Shut up Brent" (sound bite of Ned telling Brent to shut up)
  • "Dave's not here!" (sound bite of Cheech and Chong from their self titled debut album which is used to refer to Bubba's engineer Dave Rice)
  • "I am a fucking idiot" (sound bite of Jughead, played whenever he acts like an idiot or screws up on the job)
  • "Fuck this place. It's bullshit. I'm outta here." (How Bubba now ends every show - started 7/6/06) (The phrase is an inside joke. Bubba told the story of the joke the first day, but says he will never again reveal it) This is the explanation for the joke: Bubba talked about an ongoing rib stemming from a guy named T-Quest they used to work with who would always say, “Fuck this place, it’s bullshit – I’m outta here!” Anyway T-Quest would always say this when they’d leave a gig at a local nightclub no matter how nice the establishment was to them just as an inside joke. Bubba said that he’d be using the phrase as his signature good bye from now on and hoped that the bosses got wind of this since it’d be the only time he even mention it from now on.

See also

External links

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