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Should this article also mention the Geneva Conventions? It seems that just war theory shares some aspects with the Geneva Convention (more of the "how", not the "why" aspects). Daniel Quinlan 01:47, Sep 4, 2003 (UTC)

Agree. I am going to put the link in "See Also section" --Hurricane111 19:42, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

World War II

Should we make a reference to World War II? It's one of the few that nearly everyone agrees upon—even citizens of the defeated nations. It's widely referenced as being "the good war," etc. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 07:32, 2005 Jan 8 (UTC)

Perhaps we should correct this mis-impression about WWII, which was fought by immoral means with all sides engaging in conscription and total war including the targeting of civilians with strategic bombing. We have to come forward in time to the rescue of Granada or these most recent Afghan and Iraq campaigns to get to candidates for just wars. Unfortunately the 1st gulf war and the campaign against Serbia were marred by the intentional targeting of civilian infrastructure.--Silverback 08:04, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The idea that Misplaced Pages should take a stance against conscription is of course lacking a certain amount of NPOV-awareness. :-)) --Ruhrjung 16:18, Jan 8, 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages should no more take a stand against conscription than against murder and slavery. It is not wikipedia's fault if the arguments for these seem lame when compared with the arguments against.--Silverback 09:40, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yes, and also...what about what people perceive? Most people perceive World War II to be more just than subsequent conflicts. I can see how you could make an argument for Grenada, since civilians were largely untouched, but the motives behind the involvement of some of the players in World War II definitely fall under the idea of "just war." —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 17:33, 2005 Jan 8 (UTC)

Hmmm, what were Stalin's motives? What were Roosevelt's motives when interring the americans of Japanese dissent and authorizing strategic bombing, or delaying news about battles that were lost, or in granting parts of eastern europe to the Soviets or Truman's motives in bombing Nagasaki? All sides targeted civilian infrastructure. A lot of evil is done with "good" motives.--Silverback 09:40, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Proportionality

Proportionality has long been part of The Just War Doctrine. The Powell doctrine is not in conflict with that (tho an individual aplication of that doctrine might be). Dejvid 19:42, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Retaliation

I don't see any authority for including "retaliation" in the list of Augustine's motivations for just war. On the contrary, he says, "The passion for inflicting harm, the cruel thirst for vengeance, an unpacific and relentless spirit, the fever of revolt, the lust of power, and such like things, all these are rightly condemned in war." (Contra Faust. xxii, 74): http://www.newadvent.org/summa/304001.htm So I removed "retaliation". -- NuclearWinner 02:10, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Criticism

Anyone else think that rather than bloating the individual headings of criteria of a Just War, we should have a section just entitled "Criticism" and move some material there? It seems to me that we are unnecessarily overloading the criteria. By moving material around the article could become more reader-friendly. Maclyn611 16:39, 12 May 2005 (UTC)