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See to see how to make an automated redirect, and read about all the details about Misplaced Pages:Redirects if you want to know more. Thanks for editing, and feel free to let me know if you have any questions. Tuf-Kat 19:22, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)

Just to clarify, click on the link I provided and then "edit this page". You have to type #redirect ] to make a redirect. Tuf-Kat 19:23, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks :) -- FrancisTyers 19:32, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Anarcho Punk Ideology

Thanks for making a contribution to this page. I think you are the first to make an actual contribution to the content of the article (other than spelling corrections, etc.) other than me :)

Hey man, no problem :) -- FrancisTyers 00:36, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Edit summary

Dear contributor, first I would like to say a big thank you for your time, care, and enthusiasm in editing Misplaced Pages articles. I hope you find it just as much fun as I do.

I am writing with a small suggestion. I wonder if you could write an edit summary every time you make changes to an article (or when you start a new one). Even a short summary helps. To see how often you have done so in the past, you may go to http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&target=YOUR USERNAME.

Edit summaries are important for a number of reasons. Every time you change an article, a record of that change propagates to every single person who has that article on their watchlist. Most people have an article on their watchlist because they care a lot about it, so they would like to be informed about what is going on with it. Accurate summaries help people decide whether it is worthwhile for them to check a change. This is why your edit summary, which will take you maybe 15 seconds, is a time-saver and a great act of candor to the other people interested in the same article as you. Accurate edit summaries are important because they create trust regarding your contributions and help resolve disputes.

There are other, very convincing reasons for putting an edit summary. More information is available at Misplaced Pages:Edit summary. If at any point you have any questions about this rule (or anything else for that matter), please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you and happy editing! Hyacinth 20:24, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No problem, I normally do it, unless the change is really trivial or i forget, just check that page yourself, i summarise more often than not ;) FrancisTyers 20:26, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Kurdistan Workers Party

Bad timing :) Well I have been writing the article from scratch. I actualy have "proof" via numerious webpages which I added before writing the article, I had taken a sleap break though. I welcome any productive contribution, Id prefer to finish my version first though, often I am quoting the web sites I provided. There isnt much I can say about PKK that is pleasant. --Cool Cat 05:42, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Village Guards

Interesteing, for Village guards I have no comment for you. You know everything about what happened and is going on in the region apperantly. I do not know what you are trying to do, but its a horrible practice to push arguments off of articles like this. --Cool Cat 13:33, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Actually I don't know everything that is going on in the region. I wouldn't class myself as a scholar of the region at all. I am however capable of researching using (in my opinion fairly neutral sources), they are all listed at the end of the article. I would really like to get my hands on the text of the 1995 Turkish Parliament report into 'Unsolved Political Killings' that is mentioned in many of the sources, and would be grateful of any assistance in this. I think it might be useful for the PKK article aswell. I welcome contributions to the village guards article. In your opinion does village guards deserve an article of its own? If you think not, please put on a VfD. :) - FrancisTyers 13:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

I think should know several things avout the viliige guards. I dont put articles onf VfD because I dislike them.

1. Turkish millitary thought PKK was a bad idea.

Well, they would ;)

1. Idea was invented By Ozal who is said to be kurdish in origin.

Sources I've read say he is partially Kurdish in origin.

1. Villige guards were affiliated with PKK on many occasions. It wasnt uncommon to have morning villige guards (who consecutivrely did nothing but get paid) and night time preforming PKK duties depending on their agreement with the PKK.

Could you give a source for this? I can imagine it is true, and i'll add a line to the article, but it would be nice to have a source.

1. Yes it is true, just like any law evforcement people abuse the power they got, each town had few guards without anything balancing powers aside from the few Gendermeries which patrol the region.

I agree, can you think of a good way of wording this?

1. One reason the abolishment of the town guards is hard because of their attacks.
2. Generalising the group as evil in general is POV tho. Mind that I am not declaring the reporsts as lies or as fabricated. I refuse to believe each and every Villige guard is hired by the govermrnt soley to commit crimes and etc.

I agree! You can't generalise in this manner about everyone in a group, the same way as you can't generalise about everyone in the PKK.

1. I honestly think this should be ept in PKK article as Villige Guards alone is not a notable article. Besides, I dont believe villige guards is the acurate translation.

I got this translation from all my sources, if you can think of a better name (perhaps the official turkish name?) I would be happy to rename. Note: I just discovered a better name would be "village guard system" or "Koruculuk", should i move to rename?

1. Almost any illicet drug in Erope/US is shipped through Turkey, while not made in turkey, this is a known problem. Corruption in gov does not help in combating this.

I basicaly agree and yet disagree with you.

PS: You should refrain from using Kurdistan to define protions of turkey, its not standard and is POV. You will be offending some kurds I know as well as most (if not all) Turks I have known. Its a sensative matter, trust me, last thing you want is a revert war escalating. --Cool Cat 11:17, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

I realise that articles shouldn't be put in VfD just because someone doesn't like them, but if you think that it isn't worthy of its own wiki page, i think it is. Thanks for your comments, I will try and adjust the article somewhat, I definately realise that every village guard is not a complete criminal, but you should also recognise that the same goes for members of the PKK. You made some analogies with Vietnam in the PKK article, a similar thing happened there with people in the US employment during the day then VC at night, or informers on the US. Please take a look at the village guards article and see what you think now. I have taken on board your suggestions and hopefully a better article has resulted. Please feel free to suggest more. (ps. i readded your note about "US Navy's collection of news articles"). - FrancisTyers 17:55, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

copy vio, impressive. what other tricks do you have? --Cool Cat 04:41, 17 May 2005 (UTC)