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How many ways are there to make Klondike as easy or difficult as you like?? Here they are. You are free to add more if you can:

Redeals:

You can set not to allow redealing, or to allow 1, 2, 3, or 4 redeals, or to redeal as often as you like. Setting this option to a low number means a harder game.

Draw:

You can set this to 1, 2, or 3 cards at a time. Setting this option to a high number means a harder game.

Filling Empty Columns:

You can select this to any card, only a king, only a card from the stock as long as the stock isn't empty, and no card at all. The last of these would mean a really difficult game.

Suit discrimination:

Equal suit, equal color, unequal color, and no suit discrimination. This gives 16 variants because there are 2 suit discriminations that are not necessarily the same, how the foundations are built up and how the columns are built down. The easiest of these is obviously no suit discrimination at all.

Pulling from foundations:

Microsoft Solitaire allows pulling cards (even aces) back down from the foundations to the piles. This increases the odds of winning considerably, and might make the game more enjoyable (personal opinion), as some interesting strategies are made possible. I haven't seen this mentioned in any rule set yet, not even in Microsoft's help text.

Klondike (solitaire)

Moved from Klondike solitaire to be in line with other solitaire game article names. -- Netoholic 04:47, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The "(5.0)" on the picture is unnecessary - the version number in the about box refers to the version of windows - solitaire itself doesn't have a version number

Yep. Just look at the status bar--still Windows 3.x style! --Jason McHuff 02:19, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Canfield, Demon and Klondike

The Penguin Book of Patience has this division differently. According to them, "Klondike" is the name for either Demon (see Canfield (solitaire)), or Canfield (see Klondike (solitaire)). Should something be done about that? Mysha (nl)

Odds of Winning

Any deck that can be solved in Thoughtful Solitare can be solved in regular solitaire as well: simply make all the right choices.

  • Perhaps the question should be rephrased as, "given perfect use of limited knowledge, what percentage of decks will be solved"
  • Then it seems that the percentage of decks that can be solved in thoughtful solitaire would be an upper bound on the percentage of decks that would be solved using perfect strategy in standard solitaire.
  • Lower limit would be set by the best computer player devised so far, or the long run average for the best human player.
I don't understand why it's so difficult to compute the possible number of winning games of solitate. It would take time, yes, but I'm just shocked no one has done it. RobertM525 05:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


There's about 2 billion possible deals; if it ever is found out, I'm sure it won't just be one person doing all the work. 130.184.237.233 17:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Not one person, of course. But a computer should be able to run through all of them given enough time... RobertM525 11:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I remember reading about someone who kept records of his own games of Klondike and came up with an average of one game in 30. (This is for the one-card-at-a-time-with-no-redeal version.) This seems about right to me. Kostaki mou 01:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

At the moment the article states that: "A modified version of the game called "Thoughtful Solitaire" has a known solution strategy that works 70% of the time but requires significant computing power. This solution strategy does not solve every deck that is solvable, but is about twice as good as the best human players." Does it refer to games where redeals are allowed or not? Because with redeals it's easy to reach 70% of wins anyway. Here is a screenshots of solitaire statistics after 1000 games with 88% wins (redeal and undo allowed) File:Http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Solitairestatistics.jpg

Merge from Wes Cherry

I claim that the Wes Cherry article should redirect to Klondike (solitaire)#Computerized versions, with any content unique to his article moved over, for what I think are fairly obvious reasons. There's no evidence that he's notable for anything other than developing Windows Solitaire, and his article says little or nothing about him except that he did so. Stellmach 21:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, this merge seems to be entirely uncontroversial. Going ahead. -Stellmach 13:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Demerge from Wes Cherry

The information on Wes Cherry has been removed except for a link. Either this information should be restored, or the Wes Cherry article should be demerged. I would favour demerger because it is the more accident-resistent way. 86.140.97.102 10:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

"Most Played" assertion

Since computer games in general do not keep any kind of tracking information about how much time has been spent playing them, it seems as though the assertion that Klonidke has been the most commonly played one, while an appealing notion, will always be impossible to verify. -Stellmach 14:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

We can't do much about the data, but it seems like it should be easy to find one or more sources that make that claim. Seems more like a citation issue than an accuracy one, though it would be a good idea to add a comment similar to yours afterwards. -FunnyMan 05:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I removed the assertion since it just can't be proved. -- Earle Martin 23:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Maxcards?

What's "Maxcards", as referred to in the rules section? If it's the game referred to at maxcards.co.uk, I think we can do without this reference. Rojomoke 11:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Windows version

Shouldn't we mention the Windows version a bit more? It's surely the most widely played PC as well as Windows game of all time and some would say is a significant drain on human labour in offices Nil Einne 23:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

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