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Ordo Templi Orientis (Typhonian)

It is Misplaced Pages policy that an article about an organization should consistently use the name that the organization calls itself, not some other informal name that others may give it. Please observe this convention. Please also note that "Ordo Templi Orientis" is Latin for "The Order of the Temple of the East" - adding "the" in front of it is redundant and also falsely implies that there is only one. Please refrain from introducing this unnecessary and misleading article in front of Ordo Templi Orientis or O.T.O. Thanks. Will in China (talk) 07:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Will.

Thank you for your guidance.

Here are my thoughts on the matter. Please do not misinterpret my comments to believe that I am rejecting your views. I do think that some discussion may be helpful, however.

1. While the T.O.T.O. does indeed formally refer to itself as Ordo Templi Orientis, it is as "guilty" of using the "Typhonian" convention as other Thelemic organizations. This can be seen by consulting works by Michael Staley and Simon Hinton, for example, not to mention Kenneth Grant himself. It may, as a result, be seen as a de facto self-description rather than a de jure self-description.

2. The term "Typhonian" indicates that the T.O.T.O. delves much deeper, in its own view, than competing Thelemic organizations. I am not sure that this can be resolved objectively, as this is a view that the T.O.T.O. holds of itself, and it is controversial among other O.T.O. branches.

3. I accept your correction on the article "the." I will re-edit my work to remove it.

Thank you very much.

Cordially,

Estéban (talk) 07:58, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

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