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Blueboar, you have no credibility with me. I will cause you endless misery if I am unblocked. Please make sure I am not. You are a hypocrite and I have no respect for you sanctimonious two-faced attitude. I did everything I could to get through to you to no avail. Pleaded with you for help.

Now I am saying, you better make sure I am blocked forever. I will never contribute anything constructive to Misplaced Pages again. It is in your interest to have me blocked forever. Remember that. So do it. --Mattisse 02:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I just read your gloating message to PalaceGuard008

The two of you, so good and perfect, I despise myself for dealing with you at all. I am ashamed of having contact with you. I was an idiot. I knew about your Freemasonry stuff and should have know. I am an asshole. I am a permanent asshole. That will make your friend Cyborg Ninja happy. She can gossip with you and PalaceGuard008 over that on ANI. Go chat on ANi. P.S. I think I will do some more reading around, so if anyone dares to unblock me, I will have my list of destruction laid out. This is an evil place. I will do what I can to get back at those who have put so much effort into harming me. You are one of them. I was stupid enough to try to be a human being with you. I deserve my punishment.

You better make sure that I am never unblocked. --Mattisse 02:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I am trying to burn my bridges - beware, Blueboar, the Good

I will be destructive if I return. I recommend, dear Blueboar, for your own the good, that you not allow that to happen. PalaceGuard008 is a joke. Cyborg Ninja is pathetic that all she has to do is think about me. You who hold yourself above all others, Blueboar the Good, and his disappeared pal, MSJapan. I wonder who he is now? Just an idle question. Don't be "over sensitive" but you have my permission to get me permanently blocked. You obviously have "pull". I vandalised an article that contains material and references I wrote. The Misplaced Pages way. I will be back in a destructive form. The well-meaning Mattisse is gone forever. Beware. --Mattisse 02:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Message to User:Cyborg Ninja

Get a life. I am flattered that I fascinate you so that you have dedicated your Misplaced Pages experience to me. But it does show a gulf in your own life, that I am the best you can do. I wonder what it is that is so intriguing and fascinates you so about me? Is is perhaps, that all you have to offer is to crawl around offering others help in how to get me into trouble?

Well, it is people like you that make Misplaced Pages hell. You can chalk up my departure as a notch on your bed post. Good lock with your notches, since apparently you have nothing else to offer. Misplaced Pages needs people like you. (ha, ha, ha -- that is a joke for those who cannot tell -- Blueboar, the Good, for example). You and Blueboar with go far together -- cut from the same cookie cutter so to speak.

I will recommend to you to get a life but I do not think you are capable of doing so. --Mattisse 02:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I was going to add esamples from your posting on your page but they are so idiodic I will not bother. Othrs are free to look. Mattisse 02:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Please Don't Go

Let's just say I found about this from a friend of a friend. A few months ago myself and another editor found ourselves in a similar situation to you, a few users were grouping together against our edits and I ended up getting blocked a couple of times for 3RR. It got really frustrating, an RfC got sidetracked as they tried to critique our behaviour rather than the content dispute and eventually I just lost it and said a couple of things that got my account blocked indefinitely after over a year of editing. Looking back, I regret it, one of the users against me later got blocked when it was realised he was just here to troll, another was sanctioned in a separate incident. Eventually the content dispute got settled, the larger community found out about the dispute and set it straight. The end result was I got my established account banned for a dispute that really didn't need me to sort it out.

You are a highly regarded editor, with over 30,000 edits, a year and a half of editing and more awards and DIK's then I can count. Is it really worth sacrificing all this hard work over a single dispute? I implore that rather than exercising your right to vanish you should take a step back from the issue for a minute, that you consider the various options available both to mediate with the other users in the absence of personal attacks and sock puppetry and under the guidance of highly established editors, and even if this fails you will still have gained the interest of the greater community who will by able to voice their input and ensure that you are not fighting the uphill battle on your own.

Really, what I'm trying to say is that wikipedia needs highly skilled and qualified editors such as yourself to ensure the ongoing integrity of the project. If you do have a case (and looking over your contributions its seems you do) then the community will stand behind you, you just need to get their attention. So please, take a moment to think about your decision, the consequences it will bear for both you and the encyclopedia, and whether you will look back in the future and regret letting an editing dispute overshadow your ongoing commitment and exemplary work. 124.183.102.25 11:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

• Note. The above comment by an IP was put down as stupid on another page, so it is clear it is a hoax I have contributed to Misplaced Pages. I am pure evil.

User 67.173.131.28

This anonymous editor seems to have an interest in DYK articles for Illinois. He made negative commens on a running ANI thread for people who want to say various negative things about me. Could it have to do with DYK Illinois article dust up recently?

After all, it is open house on me now for every misstep. Recently I made a compliment to a person for achieving many DYK's -- that was taken as a personal attack on DYK and I was beat up by the regulars there for being a horrible person. So I know better than to make compliments now. Is that why User 67.173.131.28 feels his comment is necessary? Mattisse 18:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

re your block

Blueboar had nothing to do with my blocking of you; it was a report to WP:ANI (per here) by Ninja Cyborg. I blocked Ninja Cyborg for harassment, per my previous warning and discussions, and then reviewed the matter. While reviewing the discussions at Caisson I noted your comments and attitude toward Blueboar, which I believed was highly inappropriate - so much so I issued a block. I noted my actions at ANI. At no time did I comment to Blueboar, nor had he ever sought my (or anybody elses AFAIAW) interaction before my deciding to take these actions. He has now contacted me regarding your comments above. These actions were entirely mine, and I am fully prepared to take the consequences. I believe you owe Blueboar an apology for both your previous attitude and your recent comments.

Your block was for 24 hours. I shall not extend it (my block) as regards your subsequent comments (although I could, WP does not tolerate threats) and it is up to you how you act once the block expires. LessHeard vanU 13:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

LessHeard vanU - you are a WP:DICK

I do not want your charity of "I shall not extend it (my block) as regards your subsequent comments (although I could...."

Misplaced Pages, in theory at least, does not have the bludgeoning attitude you do. However, it is people like you who run this place and create such negativity here by punishing productive editors.

Your attitude has made it clear the true ugliness of Misplaced Pages. I am vanishing forever, so you can go exercise you power on some other person's poor plight by your punitive attitude. Your attitude is a main contributor of why I am vanishing. You do not help Misplaced Pages by your authoritarian behavior.

Mattisse 16:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

LessHeard vanU reasons for block

I saw on your user page your reasons for blocking me. I was curious as you had never informed me. How can I learn if I am not informed?

I would appreciate your explanation as I do not see what I wrote as attacks or incivility but merely an honest effort to get a response that made sense.

Further, I would appreciate an explanation of how this whole issue was drawn to you attention so that you felt a block with NO WARNING AFTER I HAD DISENGAGED FROM THE ISSUE was justified? Mattisse 17:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Nothing in Misplaced Pages allows another editor to behave as you did toward Blueboar. Warnings are a means to prevent disruption, but are not mandatory (and are not a license to act contrary to the rules until you receive a full set), and any admin can impose a short block if they feel that it is appropriate. Whatever difficulties you have had with other editors actions with you does not excuse poor behaviour on your behalf, and if you are unable to recognise that you were extremely incivil toward Blueboar, questioning both his good faith efforts on your behalf, the language used and the accusations made, and that they did not constitute personal attacks then I fear that you are unlikely to learn anything from this incident. As mentioned, I was made aware of the matter when I read a post to ANI by Ninja Cyborg - whom I immediately blocked (again for 24 hours) for violating the warning I gave them, plus the subsequent discussions, for stalking you and advocating various actions - and I decided to review the situation. LessHeard vanU 21:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

LessHear - which I am all for if you are less hear

Perhaps you were "technically" right but you brought down Misplaced Pages another notch. You still have not provided specific instances on my lack of civility so I have learned exactly nothing from this event except the Less Heard the better.

I cannot learn anything from long paragraphs of diffs. Please provide specific examples of exactly what I said that set you off.

Please explain how the diffs you provided support your block, especially in the context of all the personal attacks that were being made against me at the time? Please provide specific examples, as the diffs were long paragraphs where I saw nothing on the level of personal attack that I had been enduring for weeks. I will learn exactly nothig if you do not show me specifically what I did wrong.

You did not see anything in the mediation pages, nor on Blueboar pages that were personal attacks on me? I find that hard to believe. I had complained about Coborg Ninja about before with no result so I don't think the little move of yours counts for much. Who cares if she get banned. She has not done much for Misplaced Pages recently any way, except play you into blocking me to further harass me.

I cannot believe that you looked through PalaceGuard008's talk page (especially all the ugly messages he routinely deletes, the way he refused to carry on the discussion on the article talk page but insisted on posting on my page or his, that you looked through all the insults and personal attacks in the mediation (an already flamable situation) and saw no personal attacks on me. You act like you are from Austrialia as you behavior is very similar to that of PlalaceGuard008. It is certainly more important to Misplaced Pages to chase away good editors like me anyway and avoid trying to to encourage or protect nontechnical editors. So good luck to you in your crusade to deep six quality editing on Misplaced Pages. You are on a good start. --Mattisse 00:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Tea!

☻ Someone has poured you Misplaced Pages:A nice cup of tea and a sit down.Merkinsmum 14:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Please allow me the right to vanish

I am requestioning the right to vanish. --Mattisse 15:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Are you still wanting to vanish? I'm confused. If you are, let us know and your pages can be deleted as you wish, but if you are not, please consider removing the threat to vandalize that is at the top of your page. If it's a threat you mean, then I'm not sure you fit in here, and if it's a threat you don't mean, I don't think it should remain. Just some friendly advice. ++Lar: t/c 21:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Blueboar's sensitivity

I made those statements to you because you made such an issue that I was "too sensitive" whenever I requested that you ask PlacaGuard008 to tone down his personal attacks on me.

Also, you could have requested that Cyborg Ninja stop making personal attacks on me on you user page.Instead you encouraged her. She was blocked for doing so, but not because of anything you saw inappropriate in her remarks. Now it turns out that you are hypersensitive.

I helped you and MSJapan when you were being accused of being sock puppets this spring. I would think you would appreciate that and not punish me for my help. Now you see out to trash all my articles and make a mountain out of a mole hill.

In other words, for whatever indiscretions and poor judgment I may have engaged in, and certainly not out of bad faith or desire to hurt, but because I did not understand why you were willing to take advantage of my hard work, then criticized me for so many things, including my wondering why PalaceGuard did not respond to the mediation while he was busy editing other articles, and then you criticized me for not responding promptly. (And I was having problems with my internet connection.) I was the one who cooperated and provided you with the list which you used and then PalaceGuard008 refused to follow the procedures you set up for answering.

You certainly cannot claim the high ground on the sensitivity issue as you seem to be highly sensitive to honest efforts I made to explain my position after I had explained it many times before. I do not understand you efforts against me when I tried my best. I believe I have the right to think poorly of you. Especially now that I see you continuing to enter on ANI remove my articles and in other ways do harm to me. You are not a kind person and you seem to be taking pleasure in revenge on me in unison with PalaceGuard and Cyborg Ninja. Mattisse 17:50, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

No probs/tips

Course I will continue to be your friend :) I hope you keep going on wiki- glad you feel a tiny bit more able to do so. Are you on many other sites online? I tend to like forums but am liking wikip a lot at the mo.

Tips? I take lamotrigine.:) (seriously) and I've done a lot of work on myself to try and not be quite as hurt by things. Surprisingly I even found it helped me change my state of mind to read a certain banned site. (Google the word 'butthurt' which I hadn't really heard of before what with being from the UK- not having a go at your attitude, it more describes me lol.)

This bloke (sorry I don't know how to more easily quote diffs) was one of the first and evillest comments I suffered on wikip. I was shocked! (for some reason.) But my other half said 'don't write anything on the internet unless you are prepared to be slagged off.' Because people can't see your face and know they probably won't get slapped in return, they just say what they want.

If I find an article and the people involved really get on my nerves, such as Morgellons, I just don't look at that article unless I feel like a small dose of it. This is a brill article I found from User:Rray's page- WP:F*** :) Hope this helps.Merkinsmum 21:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

mail

You have mail babs :)Merkinsmum 01:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Very much appreciated as is your support in these unhappy times. Mattisse 01:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Wrong recipient

You posted the following message on my talk page. As I am PalaceGuard008, it appears to have been addressed to someone else - and in any case I didn't understand what the message was referring to when it talked about "diffs" and "long paragraphs". I have removed it from my talk page and copied it below for your convenience, so that you can post it to whoever it was intended to be addressed to.

As to the issue between you and me, the dispute resolution process is progressing towards formal mediation. You can either agree to formal mediation to progress the process, or you can abandon the issue and leave the articles under contention be.

Thanks, --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 03:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Start of returned message:

Please ask him to just drop it. No one else beside you, Cyborg Ninja, Blueboar and PalacGuard008 is interested.

I have asked you to clarify exactly what I did wrong, as PlalaceGuard008 and Blueboar are prolonging this and continuing it. Since I do not know what I did wrong I would appreciate an explanation. When Cyborg Ninja gets back in the ring (it is she who filled the mediation) then it is likely to escalate further. Please explain specifically what I did wrong (not diffs of long paragraphs where I cannot tell if you are saying if anything I said was O.K. in your eyes or only certain portions. I need specifics. If a do not understand, then a real mess has been created, the outcome of your actions is waiting in the wings. Surely you will get involved in the mediation as you are a major factor now, due to your taking sides. Perhaps there you will provide the specifics, as the links you have given so far will not be considered helpful.

I will also explain that I spent one year on Misplaced Pages as a "nice" person always being polite and doing the right thing. That netted me pobably 15 t0 20 ANI complaints, got me labeled as a proven sock puppet (rediculous) and had me banned several times. This year, after the sock puppet ring after me returned and I realized that I would not get any help, I decided on the nasty approach. Unfortunately, the nasty approach works better. This is my first ban this year, and I do not think it is well substantiated. You still have not pointed out specific examples. Giving diffs to very long paragraphs is not helpful. Are you meaning every word I wrote in those long paragraphs were uncivil. Perhaps if I knew what you meant I would be in a better situation regarding understanding this. Now, I have no idea what you are talking about, as so much uncivil and personal attacks have been directed a me that do not count in you eyes. How can I tell the difference?

Please do clarify or I will never understand. Mattisse 03:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)}}

End of returned message.

You posted the above quoted message on my talk page (), but it doesn't seem to be addressed to me: e.g. "I have asked you to clarify exactly what I did wrong, as PlalaceGuard008 and Blueboar are prolonging this and continuing it." - Whoever "you" is, it clearly isn't me, PalaceGuard008, nor Blueboar. Perhaps it was meant for your blocking admin? I'm only trying to be helpful here.

If you cannot understand my posts for some reason (perhaps it's my shoddy English), we should not engage in fruitless talk page posts - if you wish to discuss any issue further, please sign up to mediation; otherwise, your unilateral exit from informal mediation means you abandon the issue, which, a fortiori, means you should not make unilateral edits.

As you say you don't understand my messages, please excuse me if I don't respond to some of your further posts on my takl page. Thanks --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 03:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Please post messages at the bottom on my page under a heading if you want me to be able to find them and read them

I would be greatly appreciated if you did this. Otherwise I cannot read them. Mattisse 03:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I cannot make head nor tails of you message. To me is is gobblygook. Mattisse 03:58, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Advice

You are saying that "PalaceGuard008 continues to prolong issue" but right now you seem to be prolonging some of the issues. Palaceguard008 keeps removing your comments to him from his talk page. Perfectly legal per WP:TALK and WP:USER guidelines. But, yet, you keep posting to his talk page and then complain to him--by posting to his talk page--about him removing your posts. It's obvious he's trying to stop part of this conflict by just avoiding things yet you're still prodding at him. Bare that in mind rather than trying to continue your actions towards him. Metros 04:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Your actions

Mattisse, you handled this situation very poorly. Although I have not really looked into this whole debate, it's fairly evident that you continued to pursue this matter, despite your request for other users to stop attacking/harassing you. Please just drop the matter, and contribute to the encyclopedia. :) Nishkid64 (talk) 04:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Commons

Even I am not an expert in this area, but for best of Wiki-knowledge, it is always recommended to upload images in commons, so that it can be used by all language wikipedias across the world. The copyright rules and policies of Misplaced Pages is same and consistent with English language wikipedia and wikicommons. Only real concern, I see, is: The notification on commons talk page may not be seen every day. There must be some mechanism for automatic notification into our English wikipedia user talk pages. I will see, if there is any way. Thanks for your informative and timely note. - KNM 14:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)