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Due to legal threats , this user left Misplaced Pages in August 2007. More information on my departure may be found at User:Durin/Departure.

Sorry

I'm terribly sorry for removing your notice, it was an accident. I was just reading through the archives, and forgot it was a past edition. Sorry about that. And I'm sorry if you don't want messages posted on this page now, but I wanted to contact you somehow! I don;t mind if you delete it again. I'm very sorry to see that you've left, and thankyou for your contributions. Good luck in life my friend, and sorry about my mistake before. Lra drama 18:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

:-(

Sorry to see you go, Durin. I've seen nominal legal threats before, but I've never seen a note of pending litigation. How appalling. I was wondering when you might slow down editing (in relation to your earlier comments regarding lack of desire to edit), but I didn't realize it would close so quickly. :(

Best wishes in whatever endeavours you pursue. --Iamunknown 18:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

You're one of the best, and have been enormously useful to Misplaced Pages. I'm terribly sorry to see this, and hope somehow that it will be sorted out. Good luck, and thank you for always answering my questions so patiently and helpfully. ElinorD (talk) 18:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

What a nasty way to end an otherwise fine wiki-career. I know you'd been telling me for months you'd been on the brink of leaving, but I always thought you'd stay anyway. This is just... horrible. My second friend to leave Misplaced Pages in 3 days :( Majorly (talk) 18:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Seriously? Right when I was about to join Durin's Fair Use Army full-time?!?! E kala mai. A hui hou, Durin. --Ali'i 18:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Someone still has to do the job. Majorly (talk) 18:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

More like 10 people to equal the quality output Durin was creating. :-) But hopefully this is just a minor, temporary thing, and Durin will return shortly. --Ali'i 18:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

There's a slim chance I will return, but it's a Michael Jordan-esque "That 1% is for me and you can't have it". I'm in contact with the people who are prosecuting this investigation. Pending outcome of that, I *might* return. But, Majorly is right. I've been pondering leaving for a while for a variety of reasons. This isn't the final straw; that analogy is incorrect. It's more like the impact event theorized for the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event. It is astonishing to me that someone would go to such lengths over a handful of images. It's not worth it to me. I am a volunteer here. To put myself in the line of fire for lawsuits over images that I didn't create, didn't copy, didn't publish and didn't use is absurd. Frankly, and bluntly, I'm tired. I've been under near constant onslaught of all sorts of very nasty wikipedians who work arduously to bring me down simply because I uphold the Foundation's directives and this local project's policies. Everybody has their tolerance limit. I was near it before this event. This event easily doubled how much crap I have to tolerate, and I'm now well beyond my limit. The bastards won. I've just checked my e-mail from e-pol.org, and sure enough I'm part of the investigation. Absolutely unreal. God help you all that work to uphold your policies. These people will stop at nothing to have their way. --Durin 19:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Still, what will they get out of it? At least you can claim you've made an online encyclopedia a better place for everyone. Lra drama 19:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

- :-o Un-fucking-believable. --Ali'i 19:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

You took the words right out of everyone's mouth there mate. Lra drama 19:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Ali'i nailed it...I've only been in contact with you for a few days, Durin, but you've been an excellent source of info and decently rational discussion about the image removal process, and I'll miss your input. Keep us posted on how this process goes. Best wishes to you. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 20:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Well that sucks. Do I have to assume that your offer to have a couple of beers and punch each other in the face is also off the table? At least consider coming back for doing a bit of editing: just like Jordan, you'll eventually miss the game as much as the game misses you. In the meantime, take care. Pascal.Tesson 21:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm so very sorry to see you go. Best wishes in this & everything else. Pete.Hurd 21:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sorry if it has to end this way, Durin. I certainly hope that you will return if this is settled. Out of all the people I have come into conflict with here on Misplaced Pages, you are the most civil and patient by far. Here's to hoping everything turns out alright! Regards, You Can 't Review Me!!! 23:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Not right

This sucks. Hope you will be back soon. This "e-pol" stuff really doesn't sound right to me. I've never heard of e-pol. I tried finding out more on Google, but found nothing but their own website. There are virtually no backward links to e-pol.org. I looked at the whois information, and it doesn't seem right to me. I have doubts about e-pol, and recommend you do not give e-pol any information. Also, the fact that Danna's first contributions were so recent, on August 22. The first edit was to a wikiproject page, the next to create their userpage, and the following to create their talk page. Smells like a duck, walks like a duck... This just doesn't sound right. --Aude (talk) 21:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

E-pol.org calls themselves "Electronic Protection Online Programme" or Electronic - Protection Online Programme" with the hyphen. Searching Google for "Protection Online Programme" and spelling variations turns up nothing. Zero results. If this was legit, even if some aspects of what they do are secret and confidential, there would still be something about it on Google. This definitely doesn't seem right to me. --Aude (talk) 21:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Nor me, but the complainant bringing this is obviously quite energized and willing to go to unreal lengths in their aggression against me. --Durin 21:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Aude, good research. I tried at whois at register.com, and the website was registered in April of this year?? Go to http://www.register.com/whois.rcmx and type "e-pol.org". Weird. --Iamunknown 21:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Come say hello. Nick 21:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I did a bit of research myself. Seems connected to some sort of hoax or donation fraud. See my comments on ANI. In any case the websites of the related organizations are all as laughable as the one of e-pol.org. Supposedly, it's part of the "United Network for Universal Aid" and you should try and google that for fun... Pascal.Tesson 22:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

From what I can tell, E-POL's activities seem to be limited to sending you that e-mail, and having a website. Nothing else. DS 23:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The e-pol website is really quite creepy. If you click on the log tab it gives you a message that reads "Your IP and computer ID have now been logged". Wha??!! I didn't consent to that... Seriously something creepy about that website. I can see why this would make someone want to retire. Seraphim 01:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Your IP is logged on Misplaced Pages and can be checked through RFCU in case of abuse, it's no different here. Anytime you go to a site, you consend to letting them know your IP unless your using TOR, or something else. — Moe ε 01:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I was aware of that your IP is recorded with every website but I wasn't aware it recorded your computer ID, *stupid moment* . I guess it's also the manner in which the message reads to be honest. When added with the claims of "We can trace you precisely" and that kind of message that they are giving out about legal action, it's creepy. Seraphim 12:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

What is going on with those guys of e-pol? I crossed swords with them a while ago but I thought they were at the WTC when the 9/11, can someone brief me? Meteoguy 18:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Sigh

This is wrong. Don't let the bastards wear you down. Ignore the bogus legal threat and continue fighting the good fight. Corvus cornix 21:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

:-o No!

I can't believe this. I know my only contact with you was an MFD war but you were a fine contributer. Please come back!. See also: User:Pheonix15/Useful links/Retired Wikipedians--Pheonix15 22:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

astroview120mm userboxes

A user by the name of Durin has placed criticism on my talk page involving an oven that killed another user that I have not heard of before now. In case you are still here, I must tell you something: I did not invent User oven; I did however, use some userboxes from other user pages, which may have had hidden information that I did not see. I also do not actually remember placing "user oven" on my page. Please see my contributions or my user page history. You may be making this up. Astroview120mm 23:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Come back

I've seen you around the project and admired your edits. Always calm, rationale and patient! Please come back...

Seraphim 00:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Templating the regulars

Please do not withdraw from building the encyclopedia. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's don't let the bastards grind you down policy and impoverishes the encyclopedia. If you would like any help with anything, please use the secret channel. Thank you.----John 06:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed here. You're a good guy, if you need a break by all means take one, but I sure hope to see you around again. Regardless, I wish you the best. Seraphimblade 01:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Your departure may be part of a virtuous (or vicious) circle... *sigh* -- nae'blis 23:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I miss Durin

Wish you could be enticed or convinced to return, Durin. Don't be griefed away. — pd_THOR | 06:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Durin, we'll miss you

He might have been a little bossy but he was a great wikipedian and I was little disrespectful to him. Durin if you are reading this don't listen to those legal-threating bastards. All of us miss you! Don't listen to those gay pricks! Sorry about the bad word. And I hope that by you reading this message **, you'll come back!--Angel David 21:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

You did the right thing

I read your farewell essay. I'm really sorry that you and those you care about have had bad experiences with litigation, but I have to agree with everyone else here that you shouldn't worry about it. I'd be surprised if anyone actually tried to pursue legal action against you. That being said, I think you made the right decision to leave Misplaced Pages. There was a time when I was in the bandwagon against you, angry about your crusade against images (although, thankfully, I never acted against you). After a time, I came to wonder why you were doing all the scutwork for administrators that wouldn't support you. I was glad to read that you thought about it, too.

It's nice that Misplaced Pages has lofty ideals about free content, but I believe that it's a better, more useful encyclopedia with the fair use images. The fact that nobody has yet taken legal action against Misplaced Pages for the use of these images (according to one of you old talk pages, I believe), does not prove that it will never happen. It is, however, a good indicator that it's very unlikely to happen, and I still believe that the enforcers of this unfortunate Misplaced Pages policy are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Regardless, they are clearly not serious about enforcing their policies, and I respect your decision not to put yourself through hell for them any longer. I suggest you find a project that cares as much about you as you do about it. I have faith that you'll find it and I wish you the very best of luck.

P.S. Don't sweat the legal crap. The ball's in their court and there's no sense in you worrying about something that will probably never happen and that you have little control over at this point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.107.37.211 (talk) 20:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Codelyoko193

I know you might not remember me, and you most likely won't read this, but you removed fair use from my userpage. I then gave you my special award. Goodbye, and farewell. Thanks, Codelyoko193 _Talk 18:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It seems as though he made two edits on October 5th. Hm... Thanks, Codelyoko193 _Talk Contributions 00:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Who knew?

Hey, Durin. You most likely have no idea who I am, but after reading your reason for departure, I had to leave a note of support on your talk page. The actions by the antagonist were horribly idiotic (for lack of a better term), and taking legal action against you was unjustified. I don't see what illegal actions you did, all you did was notify the user of the law of the land (in this case, the land is Misplaced Pages), and even if in some way the images were donated to a "foundation for children," why would legal action be necessary? And anyway, if she were to take legal action, why would it be against you? What if I was the one that notified her of the images? Would I be the target of legal action? Shouldn't she be suing Misplaced Pages, if suing at all? What I'm trying to say is, why did you retire because of legal action? As far as I know (and, I've gotta admit, I'm not a lawyer, so steer me in the right direction about this whole matter if I'm wrong), you did nothing illegal. I just thought I had to leave this message because I felt that the antagonist had no right to steer you into retirement. Regards, IT'S DA...Ανέκδοτο 01:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S., I hope no one sees me calling the aforementioned user an antagonist as a personal attack, because it's not. It's just my version of a joke.

Husnock

Durin, I'm going to tell Husnock/OberRanks to stop uploading and editing images on pain of blocking. Hopefully, he will do so. If he refuses, I will indef him myself. I don't give a darn if he keeps insisting he's not Husnock, it is painfully apparent to everyone that he is. It's probably best to just ignore his protests about that. If he wishes to edit, he can edit text only. Neil ☎ 17:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Shhh...

Aloha and welcome back... in whatever limited form it may be. Please try and not let the fairusabusers get you down. You're important to the freedom (freedomness?) of the project. Mahalo. --Ali'i 15:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

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Long ago comments

Hi Durin. I saw your comments over at the Arbcom request page, so hopefully you are still around to see this. I just wanted to thank you again for the long ago comments you made on my talk page about how I should accept an RfA nomination. It took a while, but I eventually did go for it, and I linked to your comments in my statement there. I'm still practicing with the tools before I start using them properly, but it was really your comments (along with some others later) that made me realise that I was procrastinating too much. Hope to see you around more in the future. Carcharoth 11:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

List of Misplaced Pages editors by edit count

Please explain what the 'problem' with listing the edit count of 'placeholder' is...

Also, I thought you were 'retired' but I guess not...Ryoung122 18:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to endlessly debate this. I've stated my reasons a bunch of times. You are not respecting the wishes of the people who do not want to be on this list. Hell, you even forced ME back on the list. You're not even following the instructions on the list. Back off. --Durin 18:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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{{not orphan}}? — pd_THOR | 18:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Still here?

You are still in wikipedia? lol i tought u have retired.-Wandering wikipedian-130.216.30.233 01:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

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:-)

Good to see you around, if only for a little bit. :-) --Iamunknown 06:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

"Frankly, I can't believe I am getting this much grief for stating a position with respect to this candidate" (diff) - unless you've been monitoring RfAs recently, you have no idea how aggressive everyone has gotten. :-( Well, I guess you do, since you are now experiencing it first hand! But still... :-\ --Iamunknown 21:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Cross-posted:

From my point of view, there were no personal attacks in either of those messages. There may have been assumptions of bad faith (depending on one's point-of-view) of equal measure on both sides. My original reply to your comment was a defense of Husond, and should really remain visible on the main RfB. Alternatively, you could remove your reply to Husond, which inspired my defense, and which was (I believe) itself a failure to assume good faith on your part.

(Addendum mid-composition). I see Husond has reverted you. I am fine with this also, as I agree that there were no personal attacks. I respect you as a human being, but I continue to experience bemusement at what I perceive to be an overly-defensive posture you often adopt. It is also clear that our semantic fields are very different, as I often feel that you've failed to read my remarks closely, and you perceive personal attacks where I neither intended (nor can discern) any such thing. It is a puzzling situation, and I'm not sure anyone can bear blame for it. Best wishes, Xoloz 19:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Keeping this short (and off the RfB): all of the things you list at the being of your latest RfB remark ("Let's see...you raise my "history", my lack of activity, me having an agenda, my philosophical position, me having "nuanced comments"...and I'm supposed to think this isn't about me?") are, in fact, relevant to the position you've taken (and your reasoning) in the RfB. You personalized the remarks unnecessarily. One may question the soundness of your reasoning without attacking you; one need not restrict one's questioning only to narrow issues you choose ("If you can't constrain your comments to those two points I raised, then please take your comments elsewhere, as those are the only two points I raised.") Sometimes your reasoning is questioned on grounds that you may not have anticipated, and on grounds you may not have directly mentioned. So long the questioning is calm, reasonably polite, and related to your thoughts and conduct rather than your person, it is legitimate. I have been questioned in RfAs when opposing many times and (though I sometimes grew a bit annoyed, I admit) I never questioned the good-faith of my interlocutors. I believe that resolves this misunderstanding. Best wishes, Xoloz 21:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

PS. Ok, so it wasn't that short...

No, it doesn't. Your brought up a whole slew of non sequiturs without even slightly challenging the premise of my opposition on his elevation of consensus. You still maintain these non sequiturs are somehow relevant. It's as if I have a flat tire, and you respond that the best way to fix it is to investigate the fuel tank...without ever offering a rationale as to why investigating the fuel tank has anything to do with my tire being flat. The best way you can resolve this misunderstanding is to constrain your comments to the points I raised in opposition to Husond, which you have failed to do outside of a single sentence about WT:RFA. This would be considerably more productive than coming up with new ways to undermine my position that have nothing to do with Husond or the points I raised, and continuing to defend your actions as right and just. Thank you, --Durin 21:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you deny that you oppose Husond partially on the basis of philosophical disagreements concerning how an RfA should be closed? This is past I intended to bring to light for any newcomer, and to which I believe Husond referred in his response to you. This is not to condemn your agenda (it is no more or less objectively correct than mine in the most detached sense), only to point out that you have one. I also have one... the reason that this is important to point out is that not every voter has a stable RfA philosophy, especially newcomers. It is fair and just to remind them that all of our comments are nuanced, and that much history underlies our dialog. Best wishes, Xoloz 21:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I hope you have an absolutely fantasmagorical day, everything you hope to achieve comes to fruition, and your day is filled with the absolute best. Bye, --Durin 21:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)