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This article was nominated for deletion on January 10 2006. The result of the discussion was keep. An archived record of this discussion can be found here. |
This is perhaps fit for deltion unless some notability is established. --Bhadani 15:32, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Mitch is now a starting quarterback for the University of Arkansas. Achen00 06:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Section headers
The headings for the subsections under College career -> Arkansas have more of an artistic ring to them than an encyclopedic one. "Rise with the Razorbacks," "A turning point, and "Mustain the transferee" should all be changed to something that sounds less like chapter titles in a memoir. --Wordbuilder 02:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. The headings are far too informal and of a tabloid nature. They should be changed to a more formal and NPOV tone. TotoHertz 06:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
- I changed the headers to more conventional and formal titles, which are also less POV. 710Sports 07:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks! --Wordbuilder 13:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
- Accept my thanks as well. Your headers are much improved over the previous ones and also describe the sections much better. Good job! TotoHertz 14:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
OTRS 2007072910002927
I am the OTRS agent handling this ticket, it is locked until issues are worked out via OTRS. This does not mean we agree with the current article, and that changes can not be suggested. Just please do so here first, and request permission (OTRS agents to authorize), you may not be privy to information which we have. Somitho 08:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- I just got back from a weekend to see this ticket... if I am to be correct from looking at the article, there was a dispute over infobox's statement that his nickname was "The Future". That edit dates from his time with the Razorbacks (and I doubt its in use anymore at USC), I think there can be general agreement that its not necessary anymore. I am a little disappointed that the two people who were editing over this did not take their discussion to the talk page before enacting an outside process. Those are my two cents. --Bobak 15:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- It may be more than that. Someone was blanking a huge chunk of the page and inserting an all-caps paragraph at the top saying something to the effect of "anyone who edits this page will be reported". I've been in email communication with this person, who claims to be his mother, and they mentioned having tried to have the page deleted and whatnot. This is likely related. Natalie 16:00, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. It had nothing whatsoever to do with "The Future" comment. I got the same email as Natalie and addressed the issue with the concerned parties. The issue had actually been fully resolved the day before the article was protected. Changes were made to the article and the version that stands now is considered completely acceptable and has taken into account certain issues that cannot be discussed on a public forum. If you need clarification, you can email me. Caffehamp 18:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- Ah. So it seems to do with the edits that more-or-less are covered here. I am not clear how the information there, clearly cited by multiple sources, is problematic --if anything it seems like we're now dealing with the opposite of previous vandals who wanted to write that Mustain was the antichrist, now it seems to be trying to remove any bad mentions of people who were mentioned in the news. I'd be curious to see the evidence proffered for the removal of that information cited to ESPN and SI --neither of which have, to my knowledge, printed retractions. Most of that stuff negatively reflected on Nutt, anyway. I admit, I find the fact that this information has been removed to be troubling. --Bobak 19:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- As I said, I cannot discuss this on a public forum, so if you want clarification, directly email me. Caffehamp 19:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- I emailed you a second ago :-) Just to clarify since this is the first time I've run into OTRS: do we make cases for keeping information in this subheading? --Bobak 19:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- That's a good question. I've never dealt with OTRS either. I know the tickets are confidential and I believe communication between the OTRS volunteer and whoever contacted OTRS is confidential as well, so we may never be directly told what the problem is. Natalie 19:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- That's correct. OTRS is a confidential issue that cannot be discussed on public forums. Caffehamp 20:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- If we have specific questions (that may or may not be answerable given the situation), do we ask the person who started this subsection or anyone in OTRS? My lawyer-sense is tingling (not to do or recommend anything as a lawyer, but to ask a question coming from that background). --Bobak 20:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- I would imagine it's best to ask the person who's specifically dealing with this ticket. They are one communicating with the person with a complaint or issue, and they are the one charged with satisfactorily resolving the issue. I suppose if you had a general question about OTRS or how it worked you could ask anyone on the OTRS squad. Natalie 20:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- If we have specific questions (that may or may not be answerable given the situation), do we ask the person who started this subsection or anyone in OTRS? My lawyer-sense is tingling (not to do or recommend anything as a lawyer, but to ask a question coming from that background). --Bobak 20:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- That's correct. OTRS is a confidential issue that cannot be discussed on public forums. Caffehamp 20:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- That's a good question. I've never dealt with OTRS either. I know the tickets are confidential and I believe communication between the OTRS volunteer and whoever contacted OTRS is confidential as well, so we may never be directly told what the problem is. Natalie 19:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- I emailed you a second ago :-) Just to clarify since this is the first time I've run into OTRS: do we make cases for keeping information in this subheading? --Bobak 19:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- As I said, I cannot discuss this on a public forum, so if you want clarification, directly email me. Caffehamp 19:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- Ah. So it seems to do with the edits that more-or-less are covered here. I am not clear how the information there, clearly cited by multiple sources, is problematic --if anything it seems like we're now dealing with the opposite of previous vandals who wanted to write that Mustain was the antichrist, now it seems to be trying to remove any bad mentions of people who were mentioned in the news. I'd be curious to see the evidence proffered for the removal of that information cited to ESPN and SI --neither of which have, to my knowledge, printed retractions. Most of that stuff negatively reflected on Nutt, anyway. I admit, I find the fact that this information has been removed to be troubling. --Bobak 19:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. It had nothing whatsoever to do with "The Future" comment. I got the same email as Natalie and addressed the issue with the concerned parties. The issue had actually been fully resolved the day before the article was protected. Changes were made to the article and the version that stands now is considered completely acceptable and has taken into account certain issues that cannot be discussed on a public forum. If you need clarification, you can email me. Caffehamp 18:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- It may be more than that. Someone was blanking a huge chunk of the page and inserting an all-caps paragraph at the top saying something to the effect of "anyone who edits this page will be reported". I've been in email communication with this person, who claims to be his mother, and they mentioned having tried to have the page deleted and whatnot. This is likely related. Natalie 16:00, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
- I've already spoken to User:Bobak via email, and am happy to answer further questions on the reason it was protected without getting too specific. The protection has been lifted and issues have been worked out. It seems the current revision is acceptable (the ticket queue was backlogged, so we don't always get to them right away). Of course feel free to make changes and edit, but take into account that there are certain things which can cause harm to others directly or indirectly. Further comments can be redirected to my talk page, or email if you want to reach me directly. Somitho 06:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
OTRS redux (Nov '07)
I know there was some confusion as to whether the previous OTRS impacts the changes I made here; as a result, I followed procedure and asked a member of OTRS to review the ticket and let me know if the confidential information affected my new additions, based on reliably sourced articles from several months after the original ticket. The answer was, these new edits I made recently do not conflict with the OTRS. As such, since the information is NPOV and just elaborates on the very interesting situation at Arkansas (which has been featured in ESPN, SI, etc) that involves the subject of the article. ---- Bobak (talk) 21:20, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
- This is completely incorrect. The initial complaint centered on the issue of the family of the subject of the article stating that such information caused damage to the reputation of Mitch Mustain and his family, as well as subjecting them to threats of harassment by other parties. That still stands. For those reasons, this information has to be removed. Furthermore, Bobak attempts to link one set of events to another, without knowing the facts that the subject's family is aware of. The subject, Mitch Mustain, has never spoken on this issue, due to his position, and will not speak on this issue in the future. I have informed the Misplaced Pages Foundation about Bobak's attempts to put this information back in that damage Mustain's reputation, while also subjecting his family to harassment, including a statement that there are people who wish to cause physical harm, or perhaps, kill his mother. This is unrelated to football and centers around the actions of others. For those reasons, the initial OTRS ticket stands and this information must be removed. -- Caffehamp (talk) 22:02, 16 November 2007 (UTC)