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Location

I'm in the DC area (in fact, I just signed up for the DC meetup on December 9th). -- John Broughton (♫♫) 19:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

No, haven't eaten at Marrakesh. My wife and I have only been in the DC area for about a year and a half; she works downtown (actually, not to far from that restaurant) but we live in Silver Spring, so we don't eat in the city that often. Can't say that we're into Moroccan food, possibly because of the belly dancers, possibly because the last time we ate at such a restaurant, years ago (in Northern California) a waiter spilled several glasses of water on my wife's plate of food. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 19:37, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Greatest ever

Template:Greatest ever has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Bob talk 19:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Image:08lederberg_lg.jpg listed for deletion

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Andrew Dasburg

On 4 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Andrew Dasburg, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--GeeJo ⁄_(c) • 17:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

• Congrats on the DYK! The nomination was my idea, but the credit for the creation of the article belongs to you. Alansohn 20:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Very nice.Kevin Borland, Esq. 10:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Deletion_review/Log/2007_November_6#Cold_feet

Step 3 of a DRV says "Inform the administrator who deleted the page by adding the following on their user talk page: {{subst:DRVNote|PAGE_NAME}}". Please bother to do so in future. Neil ☎ 16:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Access date

I've tried several different variations of the date in this citation and they all come up as either a redlink or as it did here . Do you have any other ideas of how to fix it? Wildhartlivie 16:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Page names

I appreciate the work your doing cleaning up and improving biographies. However I'm a bit mystified by some renamings. You moved "Glenda Green" to "Glenda Allen Green" despite every source calling her just "Glenda Green". You moved "Edward Weston" to "Edward Henry Weston", again despite that being a very rare usage. I think that WP:NC and WP:NCP call on us to use the most common name. When there's a conflict it's best to append a qualifier (for example "Edward Weston (photographer)" rather than adding in unsed middle names. Am I wrong in believing that's standard practice? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I move the article name already for you, since the above user is right about the naming convention. Hope you don't mind. Chris! _ct 02:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

References

Just a friendly note. Your reference for The Twomps, Oakland, California in East Oakland, Oakland, California is not a good one, since it requires people to log in. So people without an account might not be able to look at it. Chris! _ct 02:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

image query

Hi, I am wanting to move Image:Walsh 033.jpg to commons so that it can be used on s:Author:Charles Francis Walsh. However, I dont see any evidence that it has been licensed under CC on the mentioned source http://earlyaviators.com . Could you clarify please.. John Vandenberg 10:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I will ask Ernie, the copyright holder to forward a letter to me again. Sadly I lost my hotmail archive, when Microsoft deleted my account for not logging in often enough. I lost 10 years of emails.

Genealogy wiki

Check your watchlist on the genealogy wiki. Now that I've played around with Misplaced Pages, I finally understand the powerfulness of the Wiki concept. Made some contributions. Will expand.Kevin Borland, Esq. 10:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

An application of BIO

I got involved in Mitch Clem at AfD. Can you look at the references and let me know whether you think I'm right on his notability. He is not an important topic, but this illustrates an important application of the BIO and Notability rules. I think that the Minnesota Public Radio spot is just about enough, then the mention in PC World, while not in-depth clearly is saying this person is noticed. The other comixtalk source is marginal, but I think that it adds to credibilty. It appeares that Comixtalk has a blog section, but where he is covered is more akin to an online magazine in a scheduled and dated issue. Cheers! --Kevin Murray 15:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Clem

Please hold off on restoring the note until we can talk a bit. At minimum these are creating confusion in the AfD. --Kevin Murray 17:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I have mixed feelings on referencing to a subject's site. In this case, I think that it is over done. Since we do not allow autobiography, there is a fine line when we reference to autobiographies. I don't want to prohibit referencing to the sites of subjects, but how do we set objective standards? --Kevin Murray 17:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC) (1956 - ?)

I'm not a big advocate for prohibition of autobio ofr referece, just see limits as appropriate. If you read throught the AfD on CLem though there is opposition. I'll read through WP:AUTO. WP:N requires independence for establishing notability, but that does no specifically effect the references.

A proble that I have seen at AfD is that through either cunning or ignorance, proponents for deletion attack the weak references to cloud the strength of the good references. In defending article against AfD in the past, I've found that removing the weak references gives an article a better chance of surviving the AfD as the focus moves from red herrings to logic. WP is not a perfect world, but off the golf course there is no perfect world, and on the course there are few perfect strokes. --Kevin Murray 17:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Richard, please take a look at the section which I added to the bottom of the AfD at Mitch Clem. I'm not seeing any guideline to refute your position. However, I do think that we can over footnote to obscure the forrest with trees. --Kevin Murray 18:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

PS: I will revert my removal of the notes but put them into a separate "Notes" section which segrates these from references. --Kevin Murray 18:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

In Remembrance...

--nat 17:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Comixtalk

Comixtalk, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Comixtalk satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and the Misplaced Pages deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Comixtalk and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Comixtalk during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Chris! _ct 00:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Hope you don't take this personal. But I think it has no content. Sorry. Chris! _ct 00:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for saving the article!

Hello, Mr. Norton, and thanks for attempting to save my article! For that, I give you this barnstar:

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For tirelessly improving the article and saving it from deletion, I owe you one! So, here it is, the Tireless Contributor Barnstar! --Goodshoped 02:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Gerontology Research Group

I've been following that afd also, it all seems very heated. Since it was only nominated 3 days ago, maybe, just maybe a consensus can still be reached, here's hoping anyways. -- RMHED (talk) 20:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

== Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ronn Torossian==

Quote from bottom of AFD - "Comment I agree with Agavtouch that one needs only to match just a few of the users who voted Keep here with the client list of 5W Public Relations which is listed on Misplaced Pages as adverts. It is a sad sham. Also transparent spin tactics used by the employees of 5W Public Relations to attempt to divert attention and attack those who have voted delete from the many gross and documented violations of SPAM and NPOV committed by Torossian and his paid employees. Lastly, please note how Torossian & Co. continue to delete any mention on this article of the New York Post news story illustrating malice and bad faith created by Torossian against the NYC PR industry. Not very objective. Heathspic (talk) 17:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)"

• Perhaps you can add User:Alansohn's Checkuser piece to the delete page, I am not certain User:Heathspic and User:Agavtouch are aware of it.

• I come to you realizing here too that maybe I should no longer be involved, but this has become more of a circus and an exhibit into Wiki tolerance. I invite you to scrutinize any of my edits. While placing an article about something I have involvement with may be seen by some as a blatant Wiki violation, I also know that many articles are started by people who have deep knowledge, hobby interest, or first hand experience with a topic, even if there is no financial interest, it is a closeness that drives the piece. If done right and notability is there, there is nothing wrong with it as I see it. Being open about it helps too. I know that these three parties to the deletion are a person with little Wiki concern and a huge axe to grind. I have edited and added articles for a year and a half on many topics, most of which I am familiar with and have researched. Thank you. Juda S. Engelmayer (talk) 18:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Copy edit

I copy edited Walter O'Malley and renominated it. I think you could improve your GAC success with a few minor pointers. You do excellent research. I’ll throw out 2 grammatical pointers and 2 WP:MOS pointers:

1. <ref></ref> tags should follow a punctuation with no space between and follow each other with no space between
2. Alphabetize your categories

1. Don’t split your noun verb constructions. I.E., Then, he went is preferred to He then went.
2. Another big improvement might be found at Conjunction junction. Think about your independent and dependent phrases. Independent phrases are joined either by a semicolon or a comma and a conjunction. However, if they are not both independent just a conjunction is necessary. I.e, either “He did this and that.” or “He did this, and he did that.”

I would be glad to copy edit another of your articles that has not yet made GA. Who is the most important aviator on your list or the article you think could benefit most from a copy edit?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 22:21, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Will look at Raoul Wallenberg. My example before was not that good. Actually, a better example is either “He did this first and did that afterwards.” or “He did this first, and he did that afterwards.” This is a better example because the previous example was a list of two things versus two independent phrases. This is an independent and dependent phrase versus two independents. Basically, see if a phrase has both a noun and a verb. If so, it is independent and needs to be conjoined accordingly with other independent phrases. If it is verb lacking a subject it relies on a subject from another phrase and is thus dependent. The lower of the two edits here is a good example. The one at the top sounds incorrect because whiile is an awkward conjunction. I may even be wrong, but I am going with the conjunction rule as I understand it. Anyways, my advice to you would be to pay attention to where your independent phrases are when you write and you will probably seem like a better writer. Anyways, I am off to look at Wallenberg.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 16:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

That page is pretty well conjoined. I am going to have to go back and look at my GMAT prep book to remember some more complicated referent rules to do a better copy edit on that page, but will do so in the next few weeks. I am going to brush up on my copyediting and this page is a great challenge. I will do what I can with the rules I remember right now.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 16:18, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Back to O'Malley. What kind of engineer was he. Did he operate a subway train or was he engaged in engineering?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

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Raoul Wallenberg

In all I have spent about 2 hours with Raoul Wallenberg. I think that it is destined for WP:GAR. It requires editorial skills I do not excel at to retain its WP:GA. It needs someone to chop out things or track down proper refs for large chunks of unsourced text. It needs to have several {{fact}} tags added. I had volunteered for an article that is grammatical duress. I am not good at tracking down other people's sources. Therefore, I mostly work on articles from redlink or stub class. I can spend more time with the article, but my efforts will not save it. If you have anything that is more in need of grammatical repair, I could probably help in a way that would more likely lead to a promotion. However, I am willing to stick with this article.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 22:17, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to List of vaporware

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Coot dab page

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Fictional universe AFDs

Hi.

While my personal views upon the subject differ from yours, I think you might find Wikicharts useful if you haven't used it before - and you're more or less right, 29 (30 if you count Beowulf) of the top 100 right now (taking out the Main Page) most viewed articles are contemparary fiction (although very few episodes that actually get into the top 200, and those that do are normally Doctor Who episodes) Will 16:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Handbra

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Raoul Wallenberg

Hi, this article was a wreck. I didn't have much time, but I tried to make some fairly radical changes to bring it back to a decent state, after a series of edits by Attila Lajos (who wrote his PhD thesis on Wallenberg ) that gave the article a rather non-neutral point of view. I hope that I can draw some attention to it so that you or someone else can give it the time it deserves. –Joke 21:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the quick response. It is not only that his English isn't good, but that he is in fact making the argument, in the article, that Wallenberg's importance in the Hungarian Holocaust rescue is vastly overstated. This diverges radically from most of the published information I am able to find about Wallenberg on the web. Disregarding whether his edits count as original research, and leaving aside the fact that I don't have any idea what the truth of the matter is, but if Lajos's points are to be included in the article at all, they must be presented in contrast to the conventional viewpoint, rather than replace it in toto. –Joke 21:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC)