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Talk page etiquette

Have you read WP:TALK? Your edits to Talk:Post-abortion syndrome have not been entirely productive. Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox or a battle ground. We should all remember to stay civil and to assume good faith. It is never appropriate to start off a dialog on a talk page by calling editors with whom you disagree "thought police". You should tone down your comments, remember to comment on content, not editors, and to generally be polite and work with the community. If you have any questions about any of this, feel free to ask. Continued disruption and incivility could get you blocked. So sit back, relax, and remember that wikipedia is a community and we work together here (even with those with whom we disagree). Thanks for your consideration.-Andrew c  17:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

"Thought Police" is rather mild, I thought. Did you bother reading the discussion of anon and others saying they wanted to purge references to peer reviewed studies simply because critics of the Elliot Institute and Reardon accuse them of bias?

To Quote:

In theory, I agree with you. However, the director of the Elliot Institute (David Reardon) is the author of a majority of the "studies" referenced in the wiki article. The question we should probably answer is - should we purge all references from the Elliot Institute and David Reardon?--131.216.41.16 00:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes why not? We can only use reliable, neutral sources here. Of course it might be different when we specifically say "pro-life organizations" or "proponents of PAS" claim that so and so are the symptoms. mirageinred 04:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Go for it. Though, I think we will have to be vigilant against Reardon studies sneaking back into the article. --131.216.41.16 18:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Openly discussing an effort to "purge" information from peer reviewed medical journals because one of the author's is pro-life (and therefore "biased" against the pro-choice POV of the editors) should itself be grounds for blocking these "editors" who are "viligent against Reardon studies sneaking back into the article."

This is clearly censorship intended to control which peer reviewed studies will be presented to readers. And if they can't censor, they want to create a ghetto for studies they want to discredit.

See also Anons absurd edits of David Reardon in which Anon is front loading the biography with attacks on Reardon's associations and continually ignores the points in my discussion -- see "Pro-Life Activist" section which anon has recently broken into a half dozen sections because it got so long.

I've been very civil with Anon over the David Reardon biography, despite some outright weird assertions (like the Elliot Institute has no buildings) but when I see Anon and miraginred openly discussing the purging of dozens of peer reviewed articles relevent to the subject post-abortion syndrome it is really frustrating to see how ideologues can destroy the purpose of Misplaced Pages.Strider12 (talk) 18:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Tagging

Hello. I've removed the NPOV tag from post-abortion syndrome for now. The tag is a last resort to be placed after good-faith efforts to address NPOV concerns on the article talk page have reached an impasse. I've not seen such a good-faith effort thus far on your part, and I'd encourage you to address your concerns specifically and civilly on the article talk page before tagging the article. I won't repeat the warning to focus on content rather than contributors and avoid personal attacks - as you've removed the prior warnings from your talk page, I'll assume you've read the relevant policies. MastCell 16:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Edit-warring and 3RR

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on David Reardon. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. MastCell 01:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Your behavior

OK, maybe I've been beating around the bush too much, so I'm going to be direct. You continually refer to edits you dislike as efforts to "purge" the encyclopedia of valuable information for ideological reasons. Recently, you have taken to capitalizing the word "PURGE" in many of your edit summaries and talk page comments. Please discuss content issues civilly, and refrain from shouting in all caps, from attacking other editors, and from imputing malicious motivations to editors with whom you disagree. If you continue to be unable to comport yourself in an acceptable manner, I will ask for outside review of your conduct. MastCell 17:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Your invitation

Thank you for thinking of me. I'll think it over for a few days before deciding but it doesn't seem to me that too much is broken in the article. It's just got a bit strange in the intro. --ROGER DAVIES  18:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Having thought it over, it's thanks but no thanks. I've got way too much on my plate to provide the intensive involvement that this will probably require and I'm not particularly interested in the subject matter. If it was a quick in and out, I'd do it but the augurs suggest a less auspicious outcome. --ROGER DAVIES  17:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:CANVASS

As much as I appreciate and agree with absolutely every word you are saying (you are correct, people are happy to scream that Misplaced Pages is not censored except for where it might hurt someone's feelings - i.e., abortion): this is canvassing and explicitly not allowed by policy. Please take care not to do it in the future. The Evil Spartan (talk) 07:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to give you (Strider) a huge benefit of the doubt and assume that you were unaware that canvassing at least 7 selected editors to "jump in" on your side of a "revert war" against "vigilant purgers" is a massive violation of several of Misplaced Pages's core principles and a clear indiciation of bad faith on your part. Please be aware, though, that you're not really that new anymore, and that you've had ample time to look at how things are done here and what the minimum standard of behavior is. So far things are actively going in the wrong direction.

I have no desire to "purge" information, but I also feel pretty strongly that Misplaced Pages is not a venue for advocacy nor a battleground. Also that Misplaced Pages aims to summarize the current state of human knowledge and represent views in proportion to their acceptance by experts in the field. On both of these scores, post-abortion syndrome needs to be covered in the context of the fact that its existence is not recognized by the medical community.

If you want outside input (which I think is a good idea), then you have the following options:

• WP:RfC: You filed one, but you need to leave it open for outsiders to comment rather than immediately filling it with more of the same argument we've been having.
• Ask for input from related WikiProjects. I asked the Clinical Medicine WikiProject for input, though given the degenerated tone of the discussion I doubt many neutral folks will be interested in getting in the line of fire. We could also notify the Abortion WikiProject.
• I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, again, and suggest you read WP:CANVASS (as The Evil Spartan has suggested) before soliciting any more "help". This is basically the last time I'm going to be willing to overlook failures to live up to the site's standards, though - I'm very close to asking for community feedback on restricting you from these topics if you're not able to act within the site's policies, as you've now had time to familiarize yourself with them. MastCell 15:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

1. I was unfamiliar with the Canvassing page. Thanks for pointing it out.

2. In most contexts, seven is considered a small number, which is allowed.

3. I was asking for intervention on the talk page, specifically on the issue of the effort of many editors to delete peer reviewed journals articles.

4. I don't believe I contacted Evil Spartan, so I don't see how he has a complaint that I canvassed (spammed) him.

5. Aside from myself, the bulk of the editors clearly defend abortion and are arguing that post-abortion problems are a myth. Based on review of the edits made over the last month by many who insert peer reviewed cites that go against the pro-abortion view, these "vigilent" editors are purgint the material and openly conspiring to block over a dozen studies in peer reviewed journals they consider tainted. I believe outside editors would be more objective and help to remind them of the proper standards.

6. It appears the Canvassing page allows for limited invites, as have done and I believe I am well within the guidelines.

But thanks again for keeping track of me and giving me your friendly warnings.Strider12 (talk) 02:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Block

Strider, your edit warring has you >< close to a block. I don't say this because I disagree with you, but because you just keep reverting. You've received a ton of warnings. Stop. The Evil Spartan (talk) 04:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)