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CfD

Hi, I noticed you marked Category:Unpop Archivists and Category:Unpop Art Movement for deletion but never added them to WP:CFD. I've removed the tags for now. If you definitely wanted to delete these categories, please make sure you list them at CFD in addition to adding the cfd tag. Thanks! --Kbdank71 18:17, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Duke Snider

Mr. Monitor, I noticed that you added the following link to Duke's page:

"Best Competitor, Second to None (http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2005/04/14/sections/sports/sports/article_480859.php) by Steve Bisheff of the Orange County Register"

If you go to the link you have to register. So, unless you work for the OCR, can you copy the text of the article to WikiSource, then link it to the article? Thanks. WikiDon 11:12, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Registration on the Orange County Register website is free. What are the legalities of copying article text to WikiSource which is potentially copyrighted? Hall Monitor 20:33, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re: Constantine Maroulis article

Several times now you have removed links I have posted to the article about Constantine Maroulis, citing them as "spam". They are not spam, and I encourage you to read the discussion page at that article so you are better informed as to the situation. Thanks. --Bonavox 00:11, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please refer to WP:NOT. Misplaced Pages is not a link farm. Given that you have a personal connection with the websites you are adding to the Constantine Maroulis article, it is not unreasonable to cite the additions as link spamming. If you disagree with me, please submit your comments on the respective discussion page, as will I. Hall Monitor 04:29, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Blocking of AOL-ip's

Hi!

We don't "tolerate" AOL vandalism, but the way the AOL-proxies work, there is a considerable danger of blocking wrong users if we extend any block on an AOL-IP for more than 15 minutes. So we try not to do it.

Regarding the Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism: The way we try to keep that page small and handable is to remove listings that has been handled by an admin, so I'm removing your listing again now. Shanes 28 June 2005 21:37 (UTC)

There's a big note about it on the Block-User page (the page admins access to block an IP), but you have to be an admin to get to it. The text reads:

Read this part!

Some ISPs use proxy servers so that a large number of users share a single IP. Blocking such an IP can affect a very large number of innocent users. The tables to the right give the IP ranges for AOL and NTL, two such ISPs.

Please keep blocks in these ranges to 15 minutes or less. Admins and developers will generally clear such blocks promptly, because of the large collateral damage.

I know it sucks, but it's all we can do against AOL-vandals. Sorry. Shanes 28 June 2005 21:49 (UTC)

Invitation to Talk/Discussion Page

As an "innocent AOL user" I'd like to invite you to contribute to the discussion on the talk page of Doug Stanhope, Talk:Doug_Stanhope. Just a quick question regarding edits. Thanks for your attention.

Hello, User:152.163.100.73. If you would like to engage in meaningful conversation, please start by creating an actual user account on Misplaced Pages rather than making edits from an anonymous pool of AOL IP addresses. Please note that the contribution history of this IP address is tainted with several incidents of vandalism. Hall Monitor 29 June 2005 18:13 (UTC)

I don't know how to check the contribution history of this AOL IP address, please post a link or explain where to find this information and I will take proper note as requested. I'd rather not create a user account if addresses can be checked up on like that.

Suit yourself. Hall Monitor 30 June 2005 16:18 (UTC)

RE: Butch and Phil Hartman

If you are interested, I will forward you the email I recieved from Butch Hartman. I know for a FACT they aren't related. You should check your facts.

Hello, 68.160.192.44. My past experiences with anonymous contributors of Misplaced Pages have been unreliable and untrustworthy. If you will review the Butch Hartman article you will see that I too had removed the brother-relationship mention between the Hartmans. IMDb appears to be contradicting itself somewhat, but both make mention that they are born from the same parents (the Hartmanns). Please do not expect me to engage further in any sort of dialogue until you create an account and log in. Hall Monitor 1 July 2005 21:13 (UTC)

Hello, I have created a user account Methelfilms and logged in. I am telling you that I went to Butch Hartman's website and asked him. He responded very quicky and let me know that he ISN'T Phil Hartman's brother. If you would like, I can forward the email to you. Methelfilms 1 July 2005 21:23 (UTC)

If you would like, you may click on the "E-mail this user" option on your left-hand side. My preference would be to include the response from Mr. Hartman in full, with mail headers, on both of the respective talk pages. Hall Monitor 1 July 2005 21:26 (UTC)

I emailed you relevent information. I don't think Butch Hartman nor my email address should be made public on the talk pages. If you still don't believe me, feel free to email Mr. Hartman via his website. I was just trying to correct a mistake on a website. Methelfilms 1 July 2005 21:34 (UTC)

Thank you for your valiant efforts towards the improvement of the article. Sorry for initially doubting your good faith, but there has been a string of AOL users vandalising articles which I've created or contributed to, as you can probably deduce by glancing over my talk page. Also note that earlier in the month I also removed the mention of the relationship between Phil and Butch, see: here. I've sent a long, interrogative email to Mr. Hartman inquiring about other aspects of his family tree and history so that we may clean up his article in its entirety once and for all. Hall Monitor 1 July 2005 21:40 (UTC)

No problem. I happen to be a huge Phil Hartman fan, and I knew when I saw that Butch Hartman connection, it was incorrect. Thank you for making me register, because I've been correcting stuff on wikipedia for a while. Good to have a user name. Hopefully, Mr. Hartman won't get too peeved at all our inquiries. Methelfilms 1 July 2005 22:06 (UTC)

User:Bcat/Bank

Hey, I noticed that you opened an account. You need to also adjust the Total amount in circulation to reflect your account's amount. Cheers, hydnjo talk 18:29, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Andy Milonakis

You can request a page be protected from editing at WP:RFP. Good luck · Katefan0 18:55, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Hopefully I have either..

Cleared things up entirely, or obfuscated things even more by butting in on the Britney Spears argument. Thankfully it is not mine, but yours to decide which. Bobo192|Edits

Who's RFA

Thank you for your vote of support on my RFA. ∞Who?¿? 22:24, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Emily Browning

Hi thanks for the fix on Emily Browning. I couldn't really tell if it was a new entry, a test or vandalism. I usually fix and research such things, but was in a hurry and to be safe rv'd. Thanks ∞Who?¿? 22:56, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, too, for reverting vandalism on my user page. Unfortunately, my page has become a recent target as a result of spotting and cleaning vandalism on other pages. Hall Monitor 23:00, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that wasn't me this time, Y0u, did that. But I have now added your page to my watchlist, so if it happens in the future, I will try to catch it. Salut. ∞Who?¿? 23:05, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Re: Britney Spears

I don't know what's up everyone's butt, but a soubrette isn't a vocal class or fach like the traditional lines of soprano, mezzo or alto. The classification deals with the tone, pitch, and volume of a voice. In short it is more a style than a true fach. Britney's voice is soft, mellow and sweet. One listen to her song Everytime and you can hear why she fits the profile of a soubrette perfectly. The lines of vocal classification are blurry. Being a soubrette doesn't mean you are totally incapable of vocal altitude, just where the voice prefers to be. For example, Blu Cantrell is considered an alto. The alto's high note is considered to be the F or G above High C (under Soprano C). OK. She can (and has demonstrated in Waste My Time) the ability to execute a pitch well in whistle register. The high (or low note) of a person is individualized. The vocal fach is a guideline, not a militaristic maximum. Ileana Cotrubaş, a great operatic example of a soubrette in the classical sense. She however was capable of coloratura. So Britney can (and is) both a lyric soprano and a soubrette. Many, many people are capable of sing more than one vocal fach (Pharrell Williams: countertenor and baritone), Usher (baritone and tenor), Mariah (alto, mezzo, soprano, even tenor if she really wanted). So yes, you can classify her EASILY as a lyric soprano, but because she fits the profile of a soubrette so well, that is why she should be classified as a soubrette. Antares33712 23:56, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

PS: The highest note I ever heard from Britney is a G5 in ("Toxic", the background wailing). That is IT. Maybe an A5 in her show Chaotic when she mimicks the opera singer. But no extensive coloratura and she is a good five or six steps away from even the bottom fringes of whistle singer.

PPS: I have been studying voice for seven years. I'm not crazy Antares33712 23:56, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

re: Bank of Misplaced Pages

You asked why the "Bank of Misplaced Pages" was banned. There are several places we have to direct you. First, this was an unsanctioned attempt to create a m:role account. MediaWiki considered and ultimately rejected the use of role accounts. Second, there are credible allegations that this was the creation of user:Iasson, a banned user (see Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Iasson). In general, any account created by a banned user during the ban or as an attempt to circumvent the ban is to be immediately and permanently shut down. Third, evidence indicates that this initiative is associated with the Willy on Wheels vandal (which may or may not be related to the second point - the Willy on Wheels vandal has never been definitively identified). See Misplaced Pages:Vandalism in progress/Willy on Wheels for further information. I hope that helps. Rossami (talk) 17:19, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Christina's Vocal Profile

The notes she can hit is the source by itself.It's hard to understand why it should be deleted. In this case,Christina's highest/lowest note(C#7/Eb3) was shown in sample clips I added.Someone who can play piano/or have music tuner program can tell that the note is not that fake.If you know the highest/lowest note,you know vocal range too.It's common sense.I think we should remove this section only when there is no sample clip to prove what the note really is. Maxim04

Yes, I understand, but this is in direct violation of Misplaced Pages's official policy, Misplaced Pages:No original research. If you will review the edit history of the Christina Aguilera article, you will plainly see that not everyone agrees with the her exact vocal range. Until a credible and external source can be cited this section should be removed. Hall Monitor 17:52, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply.I understand now ^-^

About the vocal profile of Christina Aguilera. I noticed that you removed the profile due to the WP:CITE and WP:NOR rules. But while looking at the diff between Maxim's edit and your reversion, there was a URL citing where the profile came from. Is this source acceptable for the article? If not, why? --LBMixPro 08:30, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

It is all a matter of what is and is not a credible source of information. In the case of the Christina Aguilera article, her vocal profile and range is hotly contested, being constantly manipulated an octave or two every day. Generally speaking, how trustworthy is any information you obtain from GeoCities and how is it authoritative? Hall Monitor 15:28, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Removal of vocal profile(s)

Hell kill 'em all. Everything is subject to the interpretation of someone else, and quite frankly I am so sick of a batch of ignorant mofos constantly dictating what is right and not. In Britney's profile, we are arguing over whether she hits a C#3 or a Db3. ITS THE SAME DAMN PITCH!!!!. My goodness people. Let us get it together. I would like to see a greater consistency on what statistics we are reporting. Minnie is well regarded for her five octave range. But is 4.3 here because her highest recorded note is an F#7. That wasn't her HIGHEST pitch she was capable of. But somebody decided that was her highest pitch. Adam Lopez has pitched higher than the damn E7 in Stay With Me. It was a good idea, but there will always be some ignorant jackass who will subject it to his interpretation. Antares33712 20:49, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Many of us share your frustration, believe me. If someone could just WP:CITE a credible outside source which documents what her vocal range is, we would no longer be subject to such problems. Until such a source can be cited, we should avoid any original research as per official Misplaced Pages policy. Hall Monitor 21:20, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Some of the info in the Riperton article came from her liner notes to her Petals legacy album. PS: There used to be a site called freehostz.com that had the info on a lot of the higher range of notes. Antares33712 22:07, 19 July 2005 (UTC)