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Archive Sam Spade apology

Nearly over

Hey, I'm thinking of you. You'll be home soon. SlimVirgin 14:28, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

I'm thinking of you, too, I realised it was today when I saw Slim above. Feel better, have a toyshop! Bishonen | talk 16:40, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

I just saw this thread. I hope everything's alright. You're in my thoughts too. 172 | Talk 19:06, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, all! Wow, it reall hurrts, but I lived to whine about it. More details soon. El_C 00:34, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

New details: it is really, really hurting me. But I'll be alright. Six weeks to heal completely; I wish it was over already. Yet more whining soon. Thanks again, everyone, for all the well-wishing and your pitty. :) Ouch. El_C 19:28, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Ow! Some icecream is what you need, I think! (Don't eat the cracker.) Bishonen | talk 21:06, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

No! No! I said don't eat the cracker! Aaargh! Bishonen | talk 21:08, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm eating a lot of iced cream; I tried eating a tangerine, but it really hurtsted me, so I squeezed it into juice, whic was really good actually! El_C 21:10, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Well you could use ice cream. But I think you'll find that the drugs are far more effective. The pain will not last forever, you'll probably be amazed at how quickly it settles down. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 21:16, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Six weeks for it to fully heal, apperantly; but in a bout a week it should no longer be painy. 40 more minutes and I can take another two tablets of Acetaminophen/Codeine Phosphate CPD. Yay! New, I am high! El_C 21:26, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... codeine... Bishonen | talk 21:31, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

When I had an operation on my hand I found codeine to be my bestest ever mate. But after two days I grew tired of her. Yes she soothed the pain away, but she also made me sooooo sleeeeeepy, and once the pain goes down, you kind of get sick of that drugged feeling. So I ditched her in favor of paracetemol. Two days after that, paracetemol was ditched too. I'm so fickle. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 22:10, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

It's giving me weird dreasm; actually, more like nightmares, but is sure beats the pain. Woke up this morning and it was rough. Okay, Gonna take some more now. If I get out of hand (more so than usual,), please block me! TIA! El_C 22:30, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Unprotecting Pakistan

For some reason, I still am getting a protected version. Is it a problem in my part, or do you see it too? Thanks. --Ragib 00:55, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Oops. I only removed the tag and forgot to actually unprotect it. My apologies, Ragib. El_C 02:07, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

I know :-)

Ta bu shi da yu 06:19, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Okay, good. El_C 06:25, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Time for coffee? It's the end of the day for me... going to company meeting, gotta go! - Ta bu shi da yu 06:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

No, not quite, but I'll explain that another time. Have a good meeting, ciao! El_C 06:37, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks (vandalism ensue)

Thanks for reverting the vndalism of my user page. I marked a nonsense article attacking France for speedy - and I think its creator now has me down as a 'cheese eating surrender monkey' --Doc (?) 14:20, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Not at all, any time. El_C 16:33, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

new vfd

The prior VFD that you voted at ended with no consensus, a new VFD has been opened at Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Historical persecution by Muslims. ~~~~ 18:50, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Robert McClenon 20:55, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome

For responding in a couple of controversies. Robert McClenon 01:41, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. :) El_C 02:38, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Viva la revolucion!

Nice mountain view and of Che Guevarra! Thank you for your vote on my RFA!--Jondel 16:32, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

My pleasure; all you have to do is win, that's the only condition I set! El_C 17:05, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks (3RR)

My frustration levels with that article were high. Just after saving it from pro-life styled POV warriors, pro-choice pov warriros start destroying the article. I have left messages asking for discussing on user talk pages, but I was ignored or rebuffed, but I was still wrong to breach 3RR. Thanks for your handling of the matter.--Tznkai 18:05, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Not at all; I'm confident I made the right decision. El_C 18:16, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Yangon

Hello, you may be interested in voting on whether the article Yangôn should be moved to Yangon. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 21:20, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. El_C 23:19, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks (from Skyring)

I must admit I groaned at first when I saw your name on the 3RR thing. I thought I was being ganged up on again. I realise you are just enforcing the rules, but that's all I ask.

I'm not trying to harass Jim, I'm trying to make good edits and what I really want is an unbiased eye on his contributions (and mine, for that matter). I've been going back over my watchlist backlog, I spotted Jim's edit and thought of a better way of putting it. I think his mumbo-jumbo over judicial review is inappropriate in the article, which is really just a brief listing of reserve powers. Pete 06:58, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Not trying? Out of all the articles and contributions out there, what a truly astonishing circumstance you found yourself in, probability-wise. El_C 12:35, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

User:Gabrielsimon's block

Hi... is there some chart or something to follow to determine how long someone is blocked for 3RR? I thought each violation meant it got longer. Gabriel had a 24 hour block already like five 3RR blocks ago, and my very first (and only, because it was a mistake and even the admin involved admitted he may have erred) block was 24 hours. It seems like he would have worked himself up way above that by now.... must be at least his 9th or 10th offense and he was already only allowed 1RR due to conditions of an RfC. Considering that he refuses to admit he did anything wrong I think he needs something a bit harsher than what he was getting previously. DreamGuy 07:42, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

No, they do not get longer; that user's block log is located here. I am not inclined to impose more severe sanctions at this time. El_C 07:50, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thanks for your response. I guess if he continues the way he's going he'll just become reblocked for that or some other reason if he's still a problem. DreamGuy 08:03, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

3RR and vandalism

Oh! OK, my error. Thanks for letting me know, and sorry for causing you grief! Banno 09:00, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

My error, too. Not at all, no grief; corrected at the click of a button almost immediately, and all is well. El_C 09:03, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks (RFA)

Thank you for your vote of support on my recent RfA. I was quite surprised by the amount of support I received, and wish to extend my thanks to you for taking the time to support my nomination for adminship. -- Longhair | Talk 12:18, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

For sure. El_C 12:35, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Huaiwei's 3RR

Taken from WP:AN/3RR () You may be interested to take a look at massive name changes by SchmuckyTheCat, my comment on my advocate's request for injunction, talk:List of PRC companies and Huaiwei's comment on WP:RFPP. I'm the passive one over it. — Instantnood 19:05, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Actually, for the benefit of my attempt to cool down the edit war here, I am making it my point to be uninterested in either side's actual record here. I just want the naming convention edits to stop, from this point on. Are you interested in trying out my interim, 'cease fire' plan? I think we can easily devise a truce to serve all participants, and WP generally, while the committee makes it decision. Are you in? El_C 02:23, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

As you may already know from the edit summary I have been looking for middle points somewhere as temporary truce. I'm most happy if a ceasefire is possible, but I do wonder if it can actually work. When the previous ArbCom case was in progress, SchmuckyTheCat renamed, rewrote and recategorised hundreds of articles. Huaiwei, who doesn't consider her/himself part of the case (both the previous and the continuation), modified the scope of the articles economy of the PRC and list of PRC companies after SchmuckyTheCat renamed them. I'd like to see it works, but I'd love to hear from you how it would work and be enforced, and I'll try my best, with all my efforts, to cooperate. Thanks for your help El C. — Instantnood 08:48, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Please see my rudimentary proposal here. Yes, I think it can work, if we can get everyone on board. So far, no one has shown sign of wishing to obstruct such a truce, which I find encouraging. If someone does break this truce before we even get it of the ground, well... they will at the very least earn my disapproval. But so far, so good. I'll return to this soon, let's just keep it quiet in that sense. If someone starts making changes (and this is meant for all the involved parties, of course, not just you), please don't revert — rather, note the diffs and bring it to my attention (for convinience, it can be listed right here). I've already noted the discussion on this talk page at the 3RR section (and vice versa). I am hopeful that we are well on our way and that goodfaith and reason can and will prevail. Thanks for the positive response. El_C 09:14, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I am not notified of the details of your truce proposal, and I was not aware of your reply here until I was blocked. After all I don't think that pointer is a Chinese naming conventions-related edit. Jiang relocated Taiwan (ROC) from #C to #T, and removed the pointer at #T that pointed to #C. I was just adding a pointer at #C to point to #T for the convenience of readers. Jiang has clarified his position, and the foundation of SchmuckyTheCat's reverts was no longer valid. My last edit to add back the pointer is done after Jiang's clarification, i.e. after the problem was settled. Interestingly, SchmuckyTheCat removed that pointer again (the fourth time to remove it) right after 24 hours had past after her/his first removal (at 22:02, August 4, the first removal was done at 21:33 August 3 ), regardless of Jiang's clarification.

Although the block on me has expired, I would like to request you to kindly reexamine the whole thing, and to reassess if I should have been blocked. — Instantnood 11:49, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Meanwhile please be informed about User:SchmuckyTheCat's edit to the list of cities by country . — Instantnood 11:51, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

What?

To which I can only say, "Eh?" RM comes and has a go at the RfC. He's allowed to do that. Then he votes a bit oddly on the VfD. Fine, he's allowed to do that to. I've told him I understand he's angry, I've acknowledged he may actually think it is a keeper. I've asked him to be sure he's voting his mind and not his heart. Where's the personal attack? Much less "rhetoric, innuendo, snide sarcasm". And he seems plenty tough enough to look out for himself. If you could be a bit more specific and accurate, and if there's anything for me to apologise for, I will. But it sounds like you're just venting.brenneman 07:59, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

To start with, most certainly do not vent on my talk page. I suggest you take a time out and return with a more composed mindframe. El_C 08:13, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok, you're really confusing me. Would you prefer I had responded on RM's talk page? I'm actually plenty composed. I'm asking you a few simple questions:

1. What about my comment to RM was a personal attack? If there is something I've said, be nice and clear about it and I'll apologise.
2. If it was construed as a personal attack, why didn't you just remove it, as per policy?
3. If you weren't going to remove it, why didn't you just leave well enough alone?
4. What about the above is me venting? Simply saying "you're not compsed" is really not an answer.

I'm sorry if I'm reading this wrong, but if I am, tell me how. brenneman 08:24, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I've actually meant what I said about you taking a time out from this, starting now. I'll answer your specific querries as comprehensively and clearly as I can, but soon; I don't find that now would be a productive time (yes, I am willing to risk some confusion on your part toward that end). In the meantime, if you do choose (contrary to my advice) to place comments on talk pages with users whom you are in some sort of dispute with, please do so in a calm, matter of fact manner and with utmost moderation. Thanks. El_C 09:14, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Yikes, someone needs a stiff drink. I think it might be me. File:Meh.gif SlimVirgin 08:46, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, we could all probably benefit from more booze right about now! Sa'lutè! El_C 09:14, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Tajiks

I got your message, how do I send my own to you? I'm the one who was discussing the Tajiks/Persian issue...

Like this, Raging inferno. :) Please sign your name by typing four tildes, like so: ~~~~ Please start by reminding me what it was I said and where (you were an anonymous ip at the time, correct?). I may need to step out for a bit, though, but I will get back to you promptly. Thank you. El_C 09:14, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

OK (History of Azerbaijan)

I will take a look at the article and tell you my opinion, we can work on this together, it should be no problem.--Moosh88 06:35, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you; appreciated. El_C 06:38, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

I will be doing more edits with the article in the upcoming days. It should be fairly easy to incorporate the beginning info into the other sections of the article.--Moosh88 21:50, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

A'man (again...)

Hi, El C, really sorry to bother you again about this insignificant issue, but I'd like to rename the article to Aman (IDF), if it's OK by you. I am yet to hear Danny's opinion on the subject, I suppose he's been too busy. Shall I proceed?--Doron 07:41, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot, again. Sounds good; we can always change it back if there's opinion to the contrary in the future (it's a wiki, after all). I suggest leaving A'man as a redirect, and leaving it in infobox(es) if it skews the margins. Thank you again for all your patience. Yours, El_C 07:52, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Chip

Would you mind looking in at Talk:Chip Berlet at some point? Rangerdude has added a large section of criticism from Horowitz, which Chip feels is excessive (particularly given RD's stance during the RfC). I'm going to look properly tomorrow, but at first glance, it seems a little long and involved. Your input would be much appreciated. It's in the Criticism of Berlet section. RD is, of course, complaining that I'm biased, while he, naturally, is the epitome of disinterested scholarship. ;-) SlimVirgin 08:06, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Roger that; though I may not get a chance to look at it closely until tommorow as well (so you may end up beating me to it), I placed a comment on the talk page to outline the approach I feel needs to be (brodaly) followed. All the best, El_C 08:14, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree with that approach, for sure. Also FYI SlimVirgin 09:33, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

Good, avoid wishful thinking or thoughtcrimes at all cost! :) El_C 09:37, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Slave trade

If you have a chance, would you mind taking a look at Slave trade? I believe that User:Heraclius has been involved in a determined attempt to POV the article. Jayjg 17:32, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Sure, I'll have a look at it soon, which to say, later. El_C 21:49, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Removing posts

Kindly stop removing my post re: Sam Spade on the Administrators notice board. Exploding Boy 19:15, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

To my knowledge, I've done no such thing (diff?). I did not even know that such notice existed. If I did so by accident, I apologize El_C 21:49, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

User:SlimVirgin

Hello.... Just thought you should be aware... Yesterday you told me that I could not restore a heading to the way I originally had it on User talk:SlimVirgin because she controlled her own talk page and she could remove, change or delete anything she wanted. You even threatened to block me if I did change it. Well, funny then that SlimVirgin went and undid an archiving of my own talk page and then left rude comments... Apparently she does not feel like she needs to follow the same rules she tries to enforce on other people. I would hope that if she continues this behavior that you block her for the same reason you threatened to block me. It is clear from SlimVirgin's actions that she is not acting in good faith at all at this point. DreamGuy 00:39, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

people are never acting oin good faith if they are acting agsinst your adgenda , is tha how it is? and everyoner who disagrees with you is harassoing you? just like how vashti some how re wrote the rules of he english language in order to defy your will on therianthropy? give it a rest., DreamGuy! Gabrielsimon 00:41, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

First I'm a well-known sockpuppet of El C's, and he may not want to block me for that reason alone (although, were that not the case, I can see he might be keen, and fully understand why). Second, I have left no rude messages on DreamGuy's page and he's deleted them all anyway. Third, DG's messages remain intact on my page, except for one somewhat aggressive header, which I tried to make a little kinder looking, because I'm the one who looks at the page more often than anyone else, apart from my puppet master, who checks hourly to ensure I'm causing no trouble, often to little avail, as DreamGuy's message sadly confirms. SlimVirgin 03:45, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

You need to be stricter with me, in other words. Where is that whip? SlimVirgin 03:47, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorta getting whipped myself at the moment, it seems; it's more reciprocal than I am often able to admitt, actually. :) El_C 03:53, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Show me where and I'll wield it on your behalf. Thanks for keeping my talk page in order by the way; I had no idea all that was going on. SlimVirgin 07:17, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

YASE! Anytime, though I remain largely clueless myself; that may be a good thing, actually. ;) El_C 08:11, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Huaiwei's 3RR

Taken from WP:AN/3RR () You may be interested to take a look at massive name changes by SchmuckyTheCat, my comment on my advocate's request for injunction, talk:List of PRC companies and Huaiwei's comment on WP:RFPP. I'm the passive one over it. — Instantnood 19:05, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Actually, for the benefit of my attempt to cool down the edit war here, I am making it my point to be uninterested in either side's actual record here. I just want the naming convention edits to stop, from this point on. Are you interested in trying out my interim, 'cease fire' plan? I think we can easily devise a truce to serve all participants, and WP generally, while the committee makes it decision. Are you in? El_C 02:23, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

As you may already know from the edit summary I have been looking for middle points somewhere as temporary truce. I'm most happy if a ceasefire is possible, but I do wonder if it can actually work. When the previous ArbCom case was in progress, SchmuckyTheCat renamed, rewrote and recategorised hundreds of articles. Huaiwei, who doesn't consider her/himself part of the case (both the previous and the continuation), modified the scope of the articles economy of the PRC and list of PRC companies after SchmuckyTheCat renamed them. I'd like to see it works, but I'd love to hear from you how it would work and be enforced, and I'll try my best, with all my efforts, to cooperate. Thanks for your help El C. — Instantnood 08:48, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Please see my rudimentary proposal here. Yes, I think it can work, if we can get everyone on board. So far, no one has shown sign of wishing to obstruct such a truce, which I find encouraging. If someone does break this truce before we even get it of the ground, well... they will at the very least earn my disapproval. But so far, so good. I'll return to this soon, let's just keep it quiet in that sense. If someone starts making changes (and this is meant for all the involved parties, of course, not just you), please don't revert — rather, note the diffs and bring it to my attention (for convinience, it can be listed right here). I've already noted the discussion on this talk page at the 3RR section (and vice versa). I am hopeful that we are well on our way and that goodfaith and reason can and will prevail. Thanks for the positive response. El_C 09:14, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

3RR & Instantnood

I didn't even need to revert him a fourth time as the Cantus did, and he went ahead and reverted Carlton. So that's either 5 or 4 reverts in 24 hours, can we act now? SchmuckyTheCat 20:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Please review my comments and my proposal for a temporary truce pending the committee's decision (first forumlated here). Thanks. El_C 21:21, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I am not notified of the details of your truce proposal, and I was not aware of your reply here until I was blocked. After all I don't think that pointer is a Chinese naming conventions-related edit. Jiang relocated Taiwan (ROC) from #C to #T, and removed the pointer at #T that pointed to #C. I was just adding a pointer at #C to point to #T for the convenience of readers. Jiang has clarified his position, and the foundation of SchmuckyTheCat's reverts was no longer valid. My last edit to add back the pointer is done after Jiang's clarification, i.e. after the problem was settled. Interestingly, SchmuckyTheCat removed that pointer again (the fourth time to remove it) right after 24 hours had past after her/his first removal (at 22:02, August 4, the first removal was done at 21:33 August 3 ), regardless of Jiang's clarification.

Although the block on me has expired, I would like to request you to kindly reexamine the whole thing, and to reassess if I should have been blocked. — Instantnood 11:49, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Meanwhile please be informed about User:SchmuckyTheCat's edit to the list of cities by country . — Instantnood 11:51, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

It was my understanding that you were informed: see directly above. No, I am not inclined to reexamine. Thanks for the note, I'll have a word. El_C 12:11, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I requested to notify me if you prefer to response on your talk page instead of mine, but I did not get any notification. I found your response here (and your proposal at WP:AN/3RR after I was blocked. I'd like to request again to reexamine the edits leading to the block and reassess the block, as I don't entirely agree with it. Thanks. — Instantnood 12:39, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, well, they were hidden, which I have never encountered on my (rather high-traffic) talk-page before, only in articles, and I didn't notice it until now. Sorry. Still, I fail to see the point in granting your request; I am interested in moving this forward. El_C 12:57, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for proposing the truce. Anyways.. would it be possible to have an external reexamination and reasessment of the block by another administrator? I would like to know if an edit after the trouble is settled is considered a (fourth) revert, when it is done within the 24-hour period. — Instantnood 15:19, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

You can make such a request to another admin, but I blocked you for having failed to adhere to the truce, as I outlined it: 1st revert=15 min., 2nd revert=1hr, 3rd revert=24 hrs. It is unfortunate there was a misunderstanding. If you would like me to withdraw from this, let me know. El_C 15:25, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

According to special:ipblocklist I was blocked for 3RR violation, wasn't it? If I was blocked for having failed to adhere to the truce, may I know why that was related to the truce, and why I have to be obliged to the truce before I was actually notified of the detail of it? I would like to keep the truce for the time being, but then please kindly make sure what we have to refrain from, and what we don't have to. Thanks again for helping us. — Instantnood 17:45, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Hello again. Please be informed that User:Huaiwei moved the section of Hong Kong under China at types of corporations. User:SchmuckyTheCat relocated Taiwan / the ROC on the list of countries by continent. — Instantnood 18:13, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

surreal

I'd say something on TU's talk page, but I'm already more involved than I want to be.  :-/ Tomer 03:27, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

You cannot, I protected it yet again; please do not edit his talk page when I unprotect it, though. Thanks. /seeks professional mental help El_C 03:33, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Mental help

You know, I've been thinking you need to seek professional mental help for some time...I've seen your work at AN/I. Glad to see you're getting some! ; - ) (mumbles to self: Quiet, Brain, or I will poke you with another Q-tip!) -- Essjay · Talk 04:03, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Heh, indeed, many blunders on the part of yours truly! Øye. /Uses icepick El_C 04:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

You've got to explain your block summary for User:TheUnforgiven. I saw that and while I'm sure it's hilarious, I just don't get it. -- Essjay · Talk 08:26, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

I am not finding it hilarious, actually, but I do share your puzzlement. Thank you for your support. El_C 08:36, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Hold on; if it wasn't supposed to be funny, where did it come from? Were you quoting him? -- Essjay · Talk 10:10, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Paraphrasing. I just meant the situation, in general, which, all jokes aside, I find distinctly unamusing. El_C 10:17, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I saw it in the blocklog and couldn't figure out what it was you meant. Some days this job is enough to drive you to drink; on that note, have a shot! -- Essjay · Talk 10:33, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Done and done. :) El_C 10:39, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

E-mail for you. SlimVirgin 10:48, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

What's the problem tonight, and how can I help? (Oh, and I responded in kind at my talk.) -- Essjay · Talk 08:36, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Øye, my woes, how and where do I even begin... Just try to watch over me, please. El_C 08:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

No prob, but if there is something specific I can do to help out, let me know. -- Essjay · Talk 09:00, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Hamshenis

I took a look at the site, the information checks out, I saw that it needed sources, I can find some and add them. Is there something in particular which you wanted me to look at? And what is the deal with the user 193.140.108.152? I think you should keep an eye on him, he seems to have a bias agenda.--Moosh88 21:50, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, I found it difficult to verify that article in general, one way or the other. I'm not sure what is up with that user; yes, that is largely the reason I sought (and continue to seek) your expertise. Please do keep an eye on that user's contributions. Many thanks for all your efforts, I greatly appreciate your help. If there is anything I could do, don't hesitate. Best regards, El_C 21:55, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Frank Zappa

Thanks for the feedback on Frank Zappa. Looks like the discography has been progressing; it's nice being part of the collective sometimes.  :) Regards, Dave C. 04:08, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Sometimes! ;) And a prohibitive discography it is. I'll add that I'm fortunate enough to have in my possession some pretty smoking shows! Best, El_C 04:38, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

FPC

Jtkiefer ----- 06:50, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

I lift the shroud and make the masses proud
Crush our enemies,
Are you gonna ride with me?
Or sit in your materialistic moyogi

Race to our grave
how much more could I have gave
to the insatiable assassins that are forever laughing
like an atom cracking,
will we ever be saved?
With landmines not gold my future is paved,
love in my heart but not racist-ly raised
You want back but you never gave,
you think you're prince but you're really nave – sissy,
I bet you think you're brave
playing broke, stack your loot
the cream you save,
body boarding on light's way
The rich taunt me
specter of bill collectors haunt me
The fates of the greats leaves me undaunted
socialist dazzle mother****er and I flaunt it
Class equality and abolish poverty – I want it 

Preach knowledge with no answer, 
you speak in tongues
climb life's ladder and it has no wrongs 
My old-school compadres are spun

The rich steal my labour and my health
to bag their wealth
They got us ass backwards 
fight for the self
and not the masses,
they got us right in Congress
Anything but abolish the classes
Anything but rocking the vote of our masters
Mother****ers telling me that my vote is the answer
You simple fools
I duel your revisionism tools
You leer,
indegenous people fuc**n with cheap beer
sniffing glue,
redestroyed their world – what would you do?
My African comrades
Killed by disease and nationalism
our motherland raped and beaten by this giant mob
capitalism
Spewing fumes of death-smoke, we choke 
on consumer goods
like gunpowder-fed pits,
we kill each other in our own hoods
More and more are forced to settle in the ghetto
we whore and horde to pay the rent and fill the kettle
The rich test our mettle 
I'm an avalanche started by a pebble
I throw a rock at the devil
I rebel
In politics I meddle 
past lives several 

Esoterics,
yes, I dabble 
control the rabble 
false prophets praddle 
the lumpen cut down like cattle
In the street we battle
the bourgeois we rattle
Lift the curse
check em down from their perch  
For the truth we search at birth,
living together in harmony
I never understand why you just can't see
We'll kill you just like we did the Nazi
Let's clean the names 
of the heroes the rich besmirched
Spiritualism is valid
just make it an equal portion of the salad
Life is callous 
mass confusion
cats living in delusion
stalled evolution
each breath I taste pollution
no respect for women, 
just a cushion for the pushin'  
Lions laid and wait
and ambushes from the bushes
Watch how hard this player pushes through
in and out a pussy like a douche
he rush your tw*t like swat
he makes more than your pussy pop
leave you broken 
All to say is bambaclat

I mark 
rats, rapists, police agents and snitches
Subject deep lyrics vicious
pockets broke
mental riches
rathead bitches
capitalistic wishes
personal issues
You've never heard words like these
they're free so don’t say please
you're the host of degree disease 
Stay clam
smoke balm 
you better sound the alarm
Revolution's cold so dress warm
like millions of locus we swarm
the children of corn
destroy child porn
Heed to seed our plant
feel the impression of my stamp
--Comrade Zearle.