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Very magickal I'm sure

How's this? -- Hoary (talk) 14:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

It's magic! (Not magick, mind :) Gwen Gale (talk) 15:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

We should be realistick about this. Well, it looks like mere crapk to me, but then perhaps I've been blinded by extended immersion in the merely photographick. -- Hoaryk 23:28, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of which, that article is not the Cottingly Faeries :) Gwen Gale (talk) 06:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

And as a connoisseur of AfDs, you may wish to look at Christian Polak. Some seriously screwy stuff has been going on: I really can't decide what I think. (One thing's for sure: he's more substantial than our littlk magickal chumk.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:24, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I understand why some editors may have been taken aback but for me anyway, it's rather a helpful article. Gwen Gale (talk) 06:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Right then: Ealing Broadway Platform 9. (Oh dear, I suppose User:Wageless is off writing a book or something.) -- Hoary (talk) 16:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

So cute though! Gwen Gale (talk) 18:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

While we're at it. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

This one is becoming monstrously long, isn't it? -- Hoary (talk) 01:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Erm, yeah, in'it. :) Gwen Gale (talk) 01:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Light relief from it: this and this. -- Hoary (talk) 13:12, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

This back :) Gwen Gale (talk) 23:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Perfect

Thanks!  :) OrangeMarlin 17:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

RFC on PMOI

Hi, I'd like to take you up on your offer to help out with the RFC. I get the technical details of how to start one. It's just that the more I look at the issue, the less it looks like a content dispute. The details being changed are minor; the issue is that I and others are editing the article, and SPAs are blindly reverting with no discussion. At the moment I'm leaning towards an RFC/user rather than a content RFC. i understand that it's sort of an obscure subject, so I appreciate your taking the time to look into this. // Chris 04:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, a conduct RfC citing low level edit warring with utter lack of discussion is likely the way to go. The RfC should be written with as much neutrality as possible, noting mostly the reversions and absence of input on talk pages. Be pithy, don't dwell on details of the content dispute and don't characterize your opinion of the editors' agenda or politics in any way. Hopefully, this would gain enough input for a clear consensus on how to deal with these editors. Cheers. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Out of character

Regarding this comment on the metal discussion on ANI:

I've interacted with you a number of times in the past and had grown to respect you, your opinions and your judgment. I feel your comment was completely disrespectful and frankly out of character.

I didn't go to ANI to be a "tattle tale". I had issued two warnings over the past month and a half and discussed on User talk: Riverpeopleinvasion, User talk:ElisaEXPLOSiON and my talk page before coming to ANI. Rather than being a "tattle tale", I went to ANI seeking guidance/consensus from more experienced admins.

Frankly, I didn't come to Misplaced Pages to explain to 15 year old kids why suggesting strangers get sodomized with metal is inappropriate. If the admins feel that suggesting such is fine, so be it. I strongly disagree, but we'll leave it there. This place is built on consensus, and this certainly isn't the first thing about Misplaced Pages I disagree with.

I'm a fairly new admin, and as was noted earlier this week, I have made at least one mistake. You seem to feel bringing my interpretation of common decency to ANI was my second, but I don't expect to be insulted by experienced admins in the process.

Toddst1 (talk) 23:45, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks so much for letting me know about this. I should have been more clear. When I wrote that, I was speaking generally and should have carefully qualified what I said. Only so you know, if I had meant to criticize your behaviour, I would have done, directly. This was not what I meant to do and I'm sorry it happened. I'll put a clarifying note on the project page. All the best. Gwen Gale (talk) 23:53, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. That makes me feel quite a bit better. Toddst1 (talk) 23:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I think their greeting was thoughtless and shan't say what it brought to my mind at first glance (ew). Gwen Gale (talk) 00:35, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I hope you have a good weekend, dude. Mine is just about to start. Cheers. Toddst1 (talk) 01:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Erm, dude? Hmm, on second thought, reading that wlink, at least it wasn't dudette I guess. Haha! Cheers and a good weekend back then! :) Gwen Gale (talk) 01:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'm guessing the right answer would have been "mate" and you're up early. G'day then. 8-) Toddst1 (talk) 04:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

'k, I've been called "mate" now and then :) Gwen Gale (talk) 00:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Anti-Americanism

Come help us, this article needs the Dude touch..:) Igor Berger (talk) 10:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Argh! Stop that! :) Anyway, I'll have a look this evening (real life is calling) and if it looks like I can wade into it without causing too many waves, I shall. Gwen Gale (talk) 10:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Well there is a ssp problem there, and the more involved editors we can bring the less it will be "he does not like me" the ssp edit warred with an established article admin. We just reverted to pre sock #1, and I adviced to lock it if there is revert-battle. I know you are good in mediation, so maybe you can find a way to talk to the editor, irrelevent of ssp, agf! The editor to consern wants to debate everything, no debate he reverts. I adviced we are not a debate but consensus. "what is consesus you talking about." Well I let you decide. You can find SSP and WQA once you get there. Judge for yourself. Thanks, Igor Berger (talk) 11:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I can tell you now the answer could likely be in sourcing every shred of the text as independent commentary even down to quotes for the most controversial bits if need be but as I said, I'll have a look. Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 11:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Everything is souced, been sourced, the admin been working on the article for many years. the editor, keeps saying this is no good, delete, this no encyclopidic, delete, this or delete, this not vr, delete, this pov, delete. In the past few month the article shrunk to 20% of original. it became just a dictionary definition not an article. sock #1 nominated aa for afd as dictionary definition it failed with a keep. ssp hacked the article to dictionary definition. ducks quak! there is more! Igor Berger (talk) 11:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I like them in ponds and rivers though :) Gwen Gale (talk) 11:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

oh dude, can a duck be a swane, or a rose is just a flower if not by other name. Igor Berger (talk) 11:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

For your own good, see the subsection Igor the Troll here before wasting more time with this editor. Life.temp (talk) 15:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'd seen that. This sort of thing will not do. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

• Accusations of harrassment? I think the behavior of this editor speaks for itself. Igor Berger (talk) 17:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Igor, you might want to think about all this anyway. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Gwen, what I am really conserned about is wikipedia, what this editor doing is furmenting such hatred that it is beyond all resonable thinking. I am not doing this for myself, but for other editors including User:Durova who get constantly abused and harrassed for their postive contribution to wikipedia. this is a problem of systematic bias towards wikipedia articles anf npov editors who work so hard to maintain controversial topics. this is an attack on aall that we as a community stand for. everything that is ggood about wikipedia is being assailed to contaminate with trash. I am not the first one to get such treatment. Igor Berger (talk) 17:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

You might want to think about not trashing other users (and following them around) but sticking to making helpful, sourced edits. If someone disagrees with you, the last thing that'll make them reconsider is comparing their edits to industrial genocide. Gwen Gale (talk) 00:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Gwen, I do appreciate your point raised, but before you criticize me in such light you need to familiarize yourself with the issue at hand. I can show you to the evidence, but it will be pyling mud on top of mud. So, if you are interested in understanding what is involved here, please investigate, I am sure you will be able to come to your own objective neutral interpertation of what is transpiring here. I am trying not preinfluence the outcome but let you make your own enlighted decision. Thank you, Igor Berger (talk)

The pith isn't what stirred you to do it, but that you make these trashy characterizations of editors and goings-on as if you're plugged into some "higher notion" as to what Misplaced Pages is all about. Stop the sweeping, hurtful commentaries, is all and stop following editors around. If they're truly as unhelpful as you think, they'll canny trip up on their own without any need for you to nettle them. Ok? Gwen Gale (talk) 01:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Good observaion. Point taken. Thank you for your advice. Igor Berger (talk) 01:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Petri dishes in Byzantium

I'm (mostly) outta here for a while, and here's my parting appeal. -- Hoary (talk) 11:03, 17 April 2008 (UTC)