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{{helpme}} One user keeps vandalising Feliks Koneczny can anyone do something about it?? M0RD00R 23:03, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the {{helpme}} for now so it stops pinging, let me check into the history, and see what can be done. — Deon555_desk 23:05, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. M0RD00R 23:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... I can only see two instances of vandalism, and they've already been warned twice. Consider using {{subst:test2}} or {{subst:test3-n|Feliks Koneczny}} if it continues (in that order) . If they continue past {{test3}}, report to AIV. — Deon555_desk 23:14, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: HI

Hi Mordoor, you can do the following:

Discuss the issue on the talk page with the other users involved, calmly.
Try Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment
Look at Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes
Try Misplaced Pages:Third opinion
Try Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette alerts though this has a backlog so may take a while, I suggest the others first.

I hope that helps! Regards, SGGH 14:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

You may want to ask him about it on his talk page or the article talk page as well, to try to reach a common ground. SGGH 14:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

He may be beliving that he is contributing helpfully (and of course I can't say that he isn't, I don't know anything about the topic) I suggest asking him to stop and involving some sort of dispute resolution while asking him to explain his edits, perhaps requesting protection for the article (I'm not sure if you can request it from me off the bat or whether you have to go through proper channels, if its the latter then I'll do it for you). Ask him to explain and you yourself must explain why you believe the edits to be unhelpful. I'll ask him too SGGH 15:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I've asked him to go into more detail about his edits on the talk page, hopefully that will help :) SGGH 15:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

You haven't wasted my time at all.... why do you say that? Did I miss one of your questions or something? It wasn't my intention to give you a negative impression... please clarify SGGH 15:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh I see, I understand how irritating it can be, it's just that what one user sees as unhelpful contributions another user could see as helpful with equal conviction, and it's sometimes so difficult to open a dialogue. Unfortunatly I myself don't know enough about the topic to judge in this case which user is making more helpful edits, so opening a dialogue with the other user is your best bet :) happy editing! SGGH 18:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Third Opinion

Hey, I was going to weigh in on the article, and wanted to hear what you felt the major disagreement was. I think I know, but it would help me understand the breadth of the situation if you tell me yourself. You can respond on my Talk Page, where I've set up a section heading specifically for this. Arcayne 19:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me quickly. I've noticed in the article that the grad student is wikilinked. Did she have an article at one point? If so, when was it deleted? Arcayne 19:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Please comment

Would you care to read this new article and make sure that everything's in order from your perspective? Thanks. The title of the article is Kupa Synagogue --Poeticbent talk 06:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

History of Jews in Poland

Perhaps you'd be interested in updating this article. It's a FA, but honestly, it's not up to modern standards, and it can use all the help - referenes, particulary - it can get.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 20:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

In case you haven't seen it, I have rewritten the Żydokomuna.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 00:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Pinsk massacre

Please don't engage in revert wars, pleae mind WP:3RR. I am warning both you and Poeticbent: settle your differences at talk, not via reverts.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 23:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Kudos

Kudos for fixing the birth and death locations of a whole list of people born in the lands that were part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. I thought of doing this myself, but the amount of work involved put me off. The articles are now much improved. Thank you for doing your part in improving the coverage of Poland-connected articles on Misplaced Pages. Keep up the good work.Balcer 14:40, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Congress Poland

Thank you for the amendments to the Ashlag articles. (I should have thought of it myself.) --Redaktor 21:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:UE

Doesn't apply in 100% of cases, see my comments here.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 11:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Concerning Darwinek

Hello, MORDOOR. I've been 'keeping an eye' on Darwinek in the last few months. He's been moving pages to 'non English titles' without having a discussion, first. To put it in Misplaced Pages words, isn't he being too bold? I'm just a little concerned with his apparent lack of respect for English. He could at least discuss 'major changes' before making them. GoodDay 23:59, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Anyways, thanks for reverting some of those Polish related articles. What's Darwinek's next move? Poland to Polska, I wunder? GoodDay 00:24, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.

I didn't see the duplicate sentence. KP Botany 04:06, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Galician Jews

Are you certain that "Galician Jews" is a relevant sub-ethnicity as Litvaks. I can't find any publications to support it. LeszekB 04:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh yes I am. Galitzianer had strong identity, even if not born in Galicia itself, like Sigmund Freud. If you are interested in this topic, you might want to check this website . M0RD00R 20:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Talk page

Hi M0RD00R,

It's okay, it was nice to have someone rational and sensible post at my page! Take a peek at Talk:City of Cracow. The editor has copied and pasted the whole thing there --- in lieu of the fact that a separate discussion is going on there. Charles 13:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi M0RD00R,

I'm part Jewish and my family comes from Grodno (Eastern Poland then) It is very important to mention the fact that Jewish population greeted Russian forces with flowers etc. otherwise some Poles may feel that we are trying to hide something. If we keep hiding this fact it will make this source not %100 true and we don't want that. If you want I can send you some photos from Grodno of Jewish youths marching in May 1st parade etc. Please allow this change and do need delete. It is better to acknowledge this taboo. Trust me Thanks and get back to me if you want to chat about it. Jacurek —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacurek (talk • contribs) 20:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Supersessionism

Hi M0RD00R, if you read the article, you will see that it does not real with the Christian Supersessionism movement; but deals with another issue, antisemitism, in which the name Supersessionism is used differently. I believe the article was taged incorrectly, and so I changed it. If you want it dual listed that seems okay, but it definitely falls within Project Antisemitism. Perhaps my discussing the change before hand would have helped. Thanks. Kwork 13:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about my heavy handedness in making the change. The reason that the article did not get attention from editors in the Antisemitism project is, because it had only the Christianity template. Because of that, how could they know the article existed? Kwork 13:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Keeping a project runing smoothly

I appreciate very much your help and technical skills (Wiki syntax) related to Templates. So:

I award you this Barnstar for helping things on Misplaced Pages run & move smoothly! In Particular: Template: "The Protocols" --Ludvikus 11:24, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

But now we need you again! Need another fix - renamed, etc., so the problem came back. --Ludvikus 13:25, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Name list getting long

Thanks for your generous offer. And I'd like to take you on it.

I'd like each person's name separated by a bullet, with all names right next to each other.

I'd like to do that the way its done on the antisemitism Template, that way I can cramp more names more efficiently onto the Template.

As a matter of fact, I'd like that done with the titles to. But all breaks must come after a "year," or after a name, no matter how long.

I've not had the incentive to learn the Syntax for that. Regards, --Ludvikus 18:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Once again you come through! Good job. By the way, so what's the difference between the forms:

    "<br/>"
         and
    "<br>"

Query. --Ludvikus 20:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your query at that Template. I've responded accordingly. Cheers. --Ludvikus 12:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Someone temperedv with the Template. Can you check on it please? Thanks. --Ludvikus 23:12, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikisource: The Protocols

It would be nice if you checked out the item there. It's from a White Racist group, the Church of True Israel, and the editor at WikiSource tried to post it here on our artcle(s) but I deleated it. --Ludvikus 12:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 28 September, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Warsaw pogrom (1881), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 17:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The Morning Post

Can you figure out why the Talk page there disappeared? Thanks. --Ludvikus 14:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

No pogroms in Kiev?

I am surpised to see you removing links to Kiev pogrom (, . I'd think you would at least create a disambig. Or do you think that Kiev pogroms are not notable?--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 00:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Per WP:RED, it is an acceptable link. Please don't remove it.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 20:47, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The Nisko/Lublin Plan

Perhaps you could do a copyedit of this article.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 22:42, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Category:Notable or notorious antisemites

What do you think of the above? --Ludvikus 17:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I quoted your valid observation here , on that page's Discussion page. And I've responded there. Please make your further thoughtful observations there. Thank's for your contributions so far. --Ludvikus 01:21, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Template:"The Protocols" & "The Protocols"

Both need a bit of fixing. You'll see that the "e" does not work. And bear in mind that I want the quotes, " and ", around the title (that's on the cover of the book). I've done that, but there's a problem with REDIRECT. Best, --Ludvikus 13:48, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Ludvikus

Please have a calm word with this editor. I understand and respect where he is coming from but believe his temper is not helping. --Irpen 19:24, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Why redirect the English Ghetto benches?

There's no such English usage whatsoever. Best, --Ludvikus 20:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

"Many" at the Ghetto benches

I appreciate very much your informing other Wikipedians that "many" is a POV word. Thanks for your good work. --Ludvikus 13:06, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms

Hello -- I just had to leave you a note, after I discovered that you've already started using the new category that I just created, Category:Anti-Jewish pogroms. What's amazing is that you somehow found it and started tagging articles just 6 minutes after I created it! Wow. I put a couple of articles and a subcategory in it, and then I checked to see how it looked -- and there were already several other articles there. I almost thought I was hallucinating or something! :) That was by far the fastest I've ever had somebody start using a brand-new category that I just created. By the way, you might also find use for the parent category for this one that I also just created, Category:Antisemitic attacks and incidents. Regards, Cgingold 17:34, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. That is a very important issue you point out -- you are absolutely right that clarification is needed. My view is that, while they are related (to state the obvious), they fall into two fundamentally different categories -- so for purposes of Wiki categories, attacks that take place inside Israel should not come under this heading. Also, by extension, attacks on Israeli embassies should also be excluded. What's your take on it? Cgingold 00:02, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Ghetto ławkowe, was selected for DYK!

On October 10, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ghetto ławkowe, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 16:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Category:Notable or notorious antisemites

Nice last stand on your part. I apprecite you effort. As for myself, I am thinking of starting my own website - like that User:Otto suggested. I'm amazed by your calmness, and that you are able to stay. Best to you, --Ludvikus 00:41, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

No hard feelings

But lecture of WP:CONSENSUS is recommended. In any case, I thought you'd be interested in Pogroms in Ukraine.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 12:50, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Racist Extremism in Central and Eastern Europe

Witam

Proszę o dyskusję. Antoni Macierewicz to oszołom, ale nigdy nie słyszałem, żeby był rasistą. Ta książką etykietuje wszystkich i miesza wszystko ze wszystkim. Eon 15:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Kiev expedition

I still hope to bring this article to normalcy. My last attempt was derailed by a certain editor and you can read the chronicle on the article's talk. Thanks for your help and please keep this article on your watchlist. I will try to clean it up one of these days, perhaps even today, and I would expect another attack, unfortunately. --Irpen 18:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on this article from time to time. Interesting case of historiography-wiki style. I'm trying to understand how such trivial and obvious facts can be the cause of such enormous hysteria but I really can't. M0RD00R 18:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I would appreciate if you read the entire talk page to understand what has been happening there. It is a typical conflict when one tries to oppose certain editing style of certain editors. --Irpen 19:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Avoiding users you have a conflict with

Looking through your contributions, an awful lot of them seem to be to articles edited by Piotrus and discussions he is involved in. This does rather give rise to the impression that are you following him around Misplaced Pages in order to annoy him, which is widely considered to be disruptive. It doesn't look great to a third party if you turn up on an article you have never previously edited only to end up in an edit war with a contributor you have a history with. If you have difficulty getting on with this user, I strongly suggest you avoid contact with them for some time. WjBscribe 19:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

WJBScribe, please avoid walking around with such extremely uninformed advises no matter who asks you to interfere. --Irpen 19:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Irpen - you are well aware that my advice is worth heading. Any contributor who's edit show a narrow focus on those of another is a cause for concern. And taking a step back from involvement with users one disagrees with is always a good idea - disengagement is generally the best way to avoid situations escalating. WjBscribe 19:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

That the editors interested in the same set of topics often edit same articles is obvious. M0RD00R did not follow Piotrus around to admin boards, image pages or any place where Piotrus comments (like Piotrus does with my comments most of the time.) The editor edits EE articles. So am I. Anyone who edits EE articles is forced to deal with Piotrus. Sorry if this upsets you but this is how it is. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the context of the disputes before giving out the comments that are only going to make the matters worse. --Irpen 19:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Irpen, you are clearly a long term contributor to articles like Kiev Expedition (1018) - that's fine. But M0RD00R's involvement in some of those articles is recent and seem to be focused on edit warring with Piotrus, which is what I raised concerns about having looked at the recent 3RR report and looked at the particpants' other edits. I've voiced no opinion about which version of that article is preferable - merely raised a more general concern about patterns of editing. WjBscribe 19:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

If someone tells you that M0RD00R's focus on Misplaced Pages is "edit warring with Piotrus", someone has done so for his own reason. M0RD00R has been active in a whole bunch of EE topics and his edits are meaningful, useful and supplied with talk page comments. His involvement has been very helpful and I would appreciate if you familiarize yourself with issues before expressing any "general concerns". It would also be helpful that all the communication regarding this is held in plain view but I know that this is too much to ask for. Sadly. --Irpen 19:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Now you seem to determined to assume bad faith on my part - if this discussion is not "in plain view" I don't know what is. There is no conspiracy here and assuming one just because we have formed different views of the situation strikes me as rather odd. In any event, I have no interest in engaging in further speculation. I have expressed an opinion on the matter - if M0RD00R decides to disregrard my advice and continue to focus his edits here on the activities on another editor, the matter may need further review. WjBscribe 19:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Where did I say anything about "faith" at all? Also, this oft-mis-cited guideline is worth a reading by those who use it left and right. --Irpen 20:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I just review report on newest user:Piotrus "contributions" I was surprised to see such WJBscribe comment. While I admire neutral contributors involvement in different cases I feel that in this case WJBscribe was misguided. Lets see this so called persecution of Piotrus by simple analysis of recent user:M0RD00Rs edits, apart from Kiev we will notice deletion request Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Operation Wilno. Variuos contributors raised doubts over usage of this name; so called Operation Wilno is the former name of Vilna offensive, in Vilna offensive article this particular contributor made input which I am familiar with around 2007-05 followed with successive comments and edits. So in my view it is natural that correlated articles attracts interest. Next, article Bench ghetto crated by the same contributor and who comes to help soon ? So there is this so called slaking in oder to annoy him. And the main problem is - that not M0RD00R violated 3RR but contrary, Piotrus did. It is evident. Sadly Piotrus choose to advocating for actions against his opponent rather to apologize for his obvious mistake by violating 3RR rule.M.K. 20:43, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Sources

I stalk not you but Poland-related topics. Please provide sources for images you upload and I will be unlikely to comment on them. Please provide sources for Image:Burning of Jewish books.jpg. Also, do note that unlinked fair use tends to be quickly deleted as 'unnecessary'. I find the LPR related issues quite interesting, by all means I'd like to see you expand them. Modern extremism must be shown and shamed as soon as possible; it is much more relevant than historical footnotes whom - let's not think otherwise - few people but us will read or care about. Take care, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

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Jewish POV

Stop spreading your Jewish propaganda about Poland around English Misplaced Pages or I'll report your bad habit.

--Krzyzowiec (talk) 03:27, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Is this about the National Revival of Poland article? Trust me, Holocaust denial, and cries of "Bombs against Israel" and "Israel must be destroyed!" is not "Anti-Zionism" (and the article even had the quotes!). Its anti-Semitism. Thats the truth, not propaganda. Ostap 04:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

History of the Jews in Poland

Please be careful about WP:3RR at History of the Jews in Poland. — ] (] · ]) 22:24, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of eruvin

I have nominated List of eruvin, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of eruvin. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Bstone (talk) 11:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi M0RD00R: I have placed a complaint with User Bstone (talk · contribs) at User talk:Bstone#List of eruvin as a second nomination that List of eruvin was once nominated for deletion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of communities with eruv, if he would have looked on the talk page he would have seen the notice: "This article was nominated for deletion on July 3, 2007. The result of the discussion was Keep." Therefore his current re-nomination of the article for deletion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of eruvin should have noted this as a "second nomination" such as Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of eruvin (second nomination) or perhaps Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of communities with eruv (second nomination) and not the way he did it. Thank you for also listing it at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism, and in spite of the fact that Bstone has consistently nominated Judaic articles for deletion he has refused my polite requests that he also place a notification at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism whenever he does so. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 09:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Judaic Publishing Co.

Nice work on the above. How about opposing that erroneous speedy deletion tag? Thanks. --Ludvikus (talk) 17:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again, brother Wikipedian. Just saw your work there on the Talk page! --Ludvikus (talk) 17:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Awarded to you in appreciation of your vigilence in opposing arbitrary action. Ludvikus (talk) 19:49, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Union of the Russian People

In 1903, as you may know, this entity was respoinsible for The Protocols - I like to call them by their Russian acronymic transliteration, PSM - first so the light of day. So I'm insisting on incorporating this fact into the above article. By the way, a Steven Anderson (nice fello) quoted the anticanvassing policy to me. But that requires multiple contacts, and your the Only one on this I'm contacting. Also, please feel free to edit as you see fit. I am not telling you which way you should go (with me or against me - that's all up to you). --Ludvikus (talk) 14:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)