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Happy editing! Looks like you are off to a good start. DavidH 15:58, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Image copyrights

Hello Greaterlondoner. I'm sorry if I was a bit hasty in listing all your articles on Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems. When you edited most of your images out of of the related articles last night, but then stopped, and hadn't answered my message on this talk page, I really didn't know whether you were going to make any sort of response or explanation. So I waited until this morning and then started listing them.

To answer you questions about logos and other copyrighted images, I think you need to read the image use policy and the page on fair use of copyrighted material in Misplaced Pages. Fair use is a special exception to copyright in U.S. law (under which Misplaced Pages primarily operates). Logos are fair use because they are unique - in order to illustrate the TfL article with an appropriate logo, which is an important piece of information about that organisation, we have to use their copyrighted image, so it is fair use, as long as we don't try to pretend to be TfL or to be approved by them. Similar reasoning allows some book covers, screenshots, etc. to be fair use. On the other hand, their pictures of rolling stock aren't fair use, as we could perfectly well go and take our own pictures. Taking pictures from other sources besides TfL is even less likely to be fair use. Crediting the source is not enough.

It's also an important aim of the Misplaced Pages project to generate free content, so it's clearly preferable to make our own images if we can. The TFL images were also only 150 pixels or so, which is pretty small really, and reduces their usefulness in the long term. Putting them in the article might discourage people from going out and taking good, high quality free images of LU rolling stock, which would be really nice to have.

I hope that answers your questions.

By the way, you should probably also read up on the extended image syntax so that you can put (high quality, free) images into articles in nice frames with captions, etc. You might also like to look at the Copyright FAQ which probably explains copyright issues better than I could.

Again, sorry if we (or specifically I) came over a bit heavy-handed. --rbrwr 21:30, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

ps. take a look at Image:BT corp logo.JPG and Image:Transport for London logo.gif to see two different "fair use" templates in use, explaining the special staus of those images. You can hit "edit this page" to see the source of the image description with the templates in use. --rbrwr

Thanks for your reply. I don't think there was ever a great danger of you being blocked from editing - if you had gone on uploading copyright-violating images and putting them into articles after being asked not to, to the point where it started to look like vandalism or deliberate disruption, then you probably would have picked up a 24-hour block; but you're in no danger of that now. If you aren't able to take your own pictures at the moment, you could look at some of the sites listed on Misplaced Pages:Public domain image resources (though they tend to be U.S. government sites). You could also try e-mailing website owners and asking them to release their pictures to the public domain or under an appropriate license, or looking for images elsewhere that are already freely licensed. Anyway, I hope you find a way to contribute to the project. --rbrwr 17:32, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Image credit

Whne you upload an image you will see a box on the upload form marked "Summary". In this you should put description of the image, details of its source, and an appropriate copyright template. for example, you might put:

A train of ] 1973 stock running on the ] near ]. Taken by ] on 5 August 2005. {{gfdl}}

This will then appear on the image description page and can be amended in the normal way for editing pages. For example, see the image description pages for one of my photos. If you are contributing your own pictures to Misplaced Pages you have to license them under the GFDL (though you can additionally release them to the public domain or under additional licences such as one of the Creative Commons licences). --rbrwr 21:20, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Templates and help

Hi, you asked about codes for deletion and other issues on my talk page. There are a few places you can check. You can go to Help:Contents for lots of useful information. If you think a page qualifies for speedy deletion, you can add {{db|reason}} to the page--replace the word "reason" with the reason why you think the page should be deleted immediately (without going through the votes for deletion process). Be sure to read the Criteria for speedy deletion page and the Deletion policy page for the votes for deletion templates. for information about getting help with disputes see the Disputes page. Hope that gives you some answers. DavidH 09:57, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Moved from my User Page: Greaterlondoner, I have decided you are worthy of the Original Barnstar for the many helpful edits you have made to articles on this fantastic online encyclopedia. Your help in building up articles particluarly in the London Underground genre have and will be extremely useful for Wikipedians and any other internet users, as there are thousands worldwide, who will use articles such as those to gather information. Thank you from both myself and the Wikimedia Foundation as a whole. Louis23rd

I would just like to congratulate you on the Barnstar I have awarded you on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation for the many helpful edits to articles that you have made on Misplaced Pages recently. Please view your user page to see this. Louis23rd 18:02, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Two baker streets

Hi. You uploaded Image:Bakerstreet.PNG and Image:Baker street.PNG; I guess the latter is redundant. You may wish to place a speedy delete tag on it, as it seems to be identical to the former. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 21:18, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

Image copyrights

Hi Greaterlondoner, sorry to keep on going on about this, but it is something we need to get right. You tagged Image:BExchange.jpg as GFDL. Can you give a source this image? Is it a photo you took? And before you ask again the reason that I reverted your change to this talk page in the past is because you are trying to hide criticism. Edward 17:32:56, 2005-08-19 (UTC)

Edward, it is only your view that I was removing criticism. I actually wanted to draw a line under what had happened and move on, as I am tying to now. Have a look at my last edit summary in the history of this page. What brought you to my page in the first place? I really can't be bothered with explaining the copyrights of pictures now so if there are any uploaded by me that you take exception to (as I'm sure there will be) then simply add them to the list for deletion. Taking action before you get the facts seems a habit of yours anyway so I'm sure you won't find it a problem. You may consider this a rude response but I'm sick and tired of the rude people I have come across, only in 3 days. Why should I try being civil when they can't? They included you. I'll be sticking to uploading only logos now since nobody will have decent grounds to complain against them as well as making edits (that some users dislike; when I change their work). See this message -

This is a logo of an organization, item, or event, and is protected by copyright. The use of low-resolution images on the English-language Misplaced Pages, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, of logos for certain uses involving identification and critical commentary may qualify as non-free use under the Copyright law of the United States. Any other uses of this image, on Misplaced Pages or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. Certain commercial use of this image may also be trademark infringement. See Misplaced Pages:Non-free content and Misplaced Pages:Logos. Use of the logo here does not imply endorsement of the organization by Misplaced Pages or the Wikimedia Foundation, nor vice versa. Fair use //en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Greaterlondoner true

To the uploader: Please add a detailed non-free use rationale for each article the image is used in, which must also declare compliance with the other parts of the non-free content criteria, as well as the source of the work and copyright information. For example non-free use rationales, see Misplaced Pages:Use rationale examples. This tag is only for use on images of logos. Template:Non-free use rationale logo may be helpful for stating the rationale. Please do not use this template to tag non-free icons of computer software. Such items should be tagged with {{Non-free computer icon}} template. Regarding uses other than in the original article: Check the non-free use criteria and do not assume that existing rationales can be simply copied and pasted, as they may not necessarily apply. To patrollers and administrators: If this image has an appropriate rationale please append |image has rationale=yes as a parameter to the license template.

Greaterlondoner 18:58, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Can you tell us the source of Image:BExchange.jpg? Did you find the photo on the Internet? We don't need to delete it if the Image copyright tag is correct. Edward 19:03:21, 2005-08-19 (UTC)