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Also note: It is my policy not to delete or remove dialog from this page. Everything will be saved and archived. Please don't later remove from here what you've written (although, if you do, I will respect your wishes and not restore removed comments.
If I do not reply to you immediately, it is not because I am ignoring you; I might be in the middle of a project on or offline :)
Lastly, a note to banned users who stop by: Stop editing immediately, serve your sentence, and then come back and play nice. I will gladly welcome you back and collaborate with you - once you've served your time properly, and as long as you act accordingly.

Spam links

The changes I made were flagged as spam and reverted by you. I was wondering which guidelines I violated? Most towns have descriptions of public transportation options, and many MBTA lines/stations have listings of connecting services. Was the issue that I had a link to http://www.ipswichessexexplorer.com/ ? I have no affiliation with Ipswich Essex Explorer or the MBTA, which are both government sponsored non-profit services. Tjmather (talk) 20:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

There are two issues at hand. (1) Although the external links you're adding are useful, the value of Misplaced Pages is in its own text, not in the quality of its external links. Repeatedly adding external links may be construed as spammming. As stated in Misplaced Pages:Spam, "Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, not a link farm. If you have a source to contribute, first contribute some facts that you learned from that source, then cite the source. Don't simply direct readers to another site for the useful facts; add useful facts to the article, then cite the site where you found them. You're here to improve Misplaced Pages—not just to funnel readers off Misplaced Pages and onto some other site, right?" (2) Please do no embed external links (i.e. ). To quote Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (links), "You should not add a descriptive title to an embedded HTML link within an article." Embedding external links is meant for citations and references, not for covering up red links or for creating external links.

Does this make any sense? Please ask if you need further clarification. Kingturtle (talk) 20:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Understood - sorry for not reading the guidelines more closely - what I could do is create a new wikipedia article for Ipswich Essex Explorer, and replace the link to http://www.ipswichessexexplorer.com/ with a Ipswich Essex Explorer tag. Does that work, or do you have another suggestion? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjmather (talk • contribs) 00:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

That's a great idea. Then eventually you or someone else can make the redlink into an article. And the wikipedia will keep growing. Thanks for understand, Kingturtle (talk) 01:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Demography of Afghanistan

You protected the article on NisarKands vandalism. You should have protected it on the other version which was supported by many users, not sockpuppets of racist and banned user NisarKand. NisarKand is racist and is claiming with false sources that non-Pashtuns are immigrants in Afghanistan. Will you support this racist sockpuppet's edits or will you revert it back to a proper version? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DurraniPashtoon (talk • contribs) 21:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

You realize, until you change your behavior, you're part of the problem, not part of the solution. Kingturtle (talk) 21:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
What behaviour? It is NisarKand that is the problem? Do you even know why Beh-nam was banned in the first place? It is because NisarKand made sockpuppets and got him into edit warring trouble with them and made his block log look bad. Beh-nam isn't even supposed to be banned. He has done more for Afghanistan related articles, with Tajik, than anyone. And this is how you treat them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DurraniPashtoon (talk • contribs) 21:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
According to the British Library, it clearly says that Tajiks, Uzbeks, and Turkmen are immigrants from former Russian Turkistan. The link is provided at the articles where this is mentioned, this is accurate information backed by the most trustful source and so if you don't like it because you are Tajik then that's too bad. The British were involved in Afghanistan for nearly 100 years in the past and they did complete country study at the time, by having teams of men going all around the country and writing what they saw. Tajiks came to Afghanistan in the late 1800s and early 1900s during the rules of Abdur Rahman Khan, Habibullah Khan and Habibullah Kalakani. The small number of Persians that lived in prior to this were not Tajiks and are still not Tajiks. They have other names such as Qizilbash. So.....do not remove sourced information and Kingturle did not protect the article on the wrong version, it is much accurate than all the BS and Persian POVS you and banned User:Tajik had placed in.

Just as I thought

You support NisarKand and you vandalize constructive edits. Stop vandalizing or you will be reported. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DurraniPashtoon (talk • contribs) 21:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

You are a sockpuppets of banned users. Serve your sentence properly, *then* come back and play nice. Kingturtle (talk) 21:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
So what if he supports NisarKand? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.71.70 (talk) 23:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
You, NisarKand, are a racist and you gave the article a racist tone.
It was NisarKand's sockpuppets that got me banned. I will never accept my ban unless admins investigate it. NisarKand on the other hand was banned first for good reasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.244.173 (talk) 03:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Demography of Afghanistan

So you are actually going to just leave it on NisarKand's vandalized and racist version instead of the consensus version?

You are a sockpuppet of a banned user. Grow up. Kingturtle (talk) 10:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Dari

تورتلکینگ جان، چرا همیشه این متن را خراب میکنی؟ اگر نتوانی ایرا بخوانی، تو هیچ چیز راجه به این زبان نمیدانی —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodwa4 (talk • contribs) 17:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I cannot read that alphabet. Judging from your edit history I can say this, though: please make the fixes you see necessary in Dari (Persian)‎, but please be sure to cite credible references. Cheers, Kingturtle (talk) 17:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Kingturtle, could you please explain exactly what facts you are disputing on the talk page? I don't see any point in us fighting back and forth about this, and the only way to reach a resolution is for us to discuss the issue and reach an agreement. Thank you. Rodwa4 (talk) 16:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I am not taking sides in the dispute. If you read the articles edit history you will see a series of edit wars. The varying points of view have not come to terms with each other, thus I tagged the article as disputed. Kingturtle (talk) 16:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok thank you. That sounds reasonable. I think the problem is that there are very few, if any, actual sources on Dari that can be cited. That is why most of that article is not cited. That also makes it hard to take a side in a dispute, however, the edits I have made are almost entirely about how the English is written and not a change of any of the actual factual information presented. Rodwa4 (talk) 22:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Whenever possible, please provide citations. Also, if you have time, maybe you can fish through the edit wars in the article's history and parse out the positions of both sides, and summarize the positions in the article. Kingturtle (talk) 22:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Continuation of discussion over notability of Ohio high school sports conferences

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Created articles

If I can help the process even a little bit that's great :) Thanks for taking the time to drop me a note! --Ubardak (talk) 08:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

already discussed on chiropractic talk

See Talk:Chiropractic#Comments_on_Education.2C_licensing.2C_and_regulation_7. The article was protected before for the same reason. Protection did not work before. QuackGuru 23:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


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Demography of Afghanistan

Hi Kingturtle. Do you mind if I revert the page to the last version by a non-banned user? My only concern is that by protecting to NisarKand's version, we are encouraging him to edit Misplaced Pages. Khoikhoi 22:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Please go right ahead. Kingturtle (talk) 00:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Khoikhoi 00:35, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

BTW, the IPs belong to Beh-nam, which I am reverting on sight. Notice the confirmed IP at Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Beh-nam#Beh-nam 14. Khoikhoi 23:07, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Total Rune

Hello, I am Total Rune of the RuneScape Wikia, and I recently had my attention directed to User:Total Rune, which did redirect to User:Lord of Ra. I am requesting that you protect User:Total Rune and User_talk:Total Rune so that Lord of Ra may not redirect them to his page again. He may have originally created the account "Total Rune" here on Misplaced Pages, but I am the real Total Rune from RuneScape, and he's a poser who was pretending to be me. The reason I'm on an IP address right now is because I am User:Vampire Warrior, I was blocked from Misplaced Pages for a fake suicide note which I used (stupidly, I admit) in an attempt to ditch an e-stalker who was following me around from Misplaced Pages to YouTube to several forums I was a member on. If you need any proof that I am the real Total Rune (of RuneScape) and that Lord of Ra simply made the account named Total Rune here on Misplaced Pages to pose as me, please check here. It would be greatly appreciated if you protected those two pages for me. 70.49.204.107 (talk) 04:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I reverted the redirect, and I protected the user page. Kingturtle (talk) 04:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Can you undo your revert. Total Rune is my RS account name, but due to Lord of Ra using it here, people on the RS Wiki are getting confused and thinking I'm Ugozima, hence why I redirected it to my page. 70.49.204.107 (talk) 05:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually, upon investigating, the redirect from User:Total Rune to User:Lord of Ra doesn't seem to work. Instead of taking me to Lord of Ra's userpage, it takes me to Vampire Warrior's still. 70.49.204.107 (talk) 06:00, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Timeline of Afghanistan edits

Just saw your note about editing those pages, would you like to discuss over at my talk? Publicus 17:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Diamond Joe Quimby

I HAVE HAD MY GLOBAL ACCOUNT DELETED I would like to ask you to rename my account now that my Global Account has been deleted. I would very much appreciate that if you could do very it quickly. 75.88.227.21 (talk) 19:37, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done Kingturtle (talk) 19:42, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
This user is involved in an on going sock puppet case, Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets/Diamond Joe Quimby, and this is a maneuver in an, albeit lame, attempt to avoid the case/ban. ~ WikiDon (talk) 23:10, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Correct: PoliticianTexas back to Diamond Joe Quimby. ~ WikiDon (talk) 20:35, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
It might be easier to just block indefinitely both the PoliticianTexas and Diamond Joe Quimby accounts. I think we just need a checkuser confirmation to do that. Kingturtle (talk) 20:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Rodwa4 is User:NisarKand

See his contributions. He has a short list of edits and they are all Afghanistan related and they are NisarKand's POVs. He always does this, make sockpuppets and then starts using them when they have full access. WikiSockpuppetFinder (talk) 06:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey Kingturtle, I'm not sure who "WikiSockpuppetFinder" is, but he's mistaken. Not sure if there is anything I can do to prove that I am not someone else who was banned, but if you have any advice I'd appreciate it. The reason most of my contributions are regarding Afghanistan is that I have spent a lot of time studying Dari and Afghan culture for my job, so I have a fairly large amount of knowledge on those subjects. If you check my edit history, you will see that I have 2 edits from more than a year ago, then nothing until this month, that is because I created my Misplaced Pages account back then, but didn't really "get into" editing at that time. Recently I have used Misplaced Pages to search some info on Dari and Afghanistan, and noticing some mistakes I chose to use my account once again to make what I saw as needed corrections, and this time around I found editing to be rather enjoyable, hence the much larger number of edits in the last couple weeks. Like I said before, if there is anything else I can do to assure you I am not some banned user, please let me know. Thanks, Rodwa4 (talk) 06:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Rodwa4, no problem. We'll do a simple checkuser test as a matter of protocol. That will prove that you're not someone else. You don't have to do anything to make it happen. I'll do the paperwork. Kingturtle (talk) 12:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok thank you Kingturtle. I appreciate it. Rodwa4 (talk) 14:58, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiSockpuppetFinder, I don't see any edits by NisarKand or a NisarKand puppet on the Dari (Persian) article. Therefore I cannot do any edit comparisons between NisarKand and Rodwa4. Do you have anything more specific? Kingturtle (talk) 16:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Kingturtle, I did a quick check and I think the only article which both me and NisarKand have edits in is Afghanistan. Maybe you can check there. Rodwa4 (talk) 18:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Would you mind looking at Santa Cruz, California?

I had added some detail to the captions in the photo gallery. The photo of the "Victorian Townhomes," which I find includes your old home--is that Lincoln or Walnut? I've added "Lincoln Street"--if I'm wrong please change it. I've looked at these streets most of my life and, from the photo, I still don't know for sure. Lantana11 (talk) 07:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 07:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

It is Lincoln Street. The staircase on the left is on the corner of Chestnut Street. The entire building is landmarked, I believe, and called something like the Lincoln Row Houses. Kingturtle (talk) 11:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Must've been a wonderful place to live! Lantana11 (talk) 16:18, 17 June 2008 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 16:18, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Wow - as it happens, I was there last weekend :) - Alison 06:31, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Afghanistan

Hi Kingturtle, since you are a mod and the Afghanistan article is locked, I was wondering if you could look at a couple things that were discussed on the talk page, and make those changes if you don't disagree with them. (Sections are "Misleading sources" and "Errors in this article") Thank you, Rodwa4 (talk) 19:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

It looks like you made some changes, but you're leaving the middle east reference. Is there a specific reason for that? I would like to at least, (as a minimum), see the 2nd reference there removed, since it in no way supports that claim, and also if your going to leave it could you please check the other two references, it just seems to me that because Afghanistan is mentioned on two websites who's titles include the phrase "Middle East" is not really much verification of anything. Thanks again, Rodwa4 (talk) 01:10, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Israelites

Ugh, that was a pretty bad mistake. Thanks for finding it (and fixing it).   jj137 (talk) 22:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

The NisarKand and Beh-nam show

Hi there. You'll be interested to hear that I have now rangeblocked both Beh-nam and NisarKand - hopefully, it should hold matters for a while. More details on ANI. Two rangeblocks on Beh-nam with very little collateral damage, if any, and one rangeblock for NisarKand. I expect Beh-nam to be back on another range soon but checking the numbers here, we can likely hit that one, too, when the need arises. I think everyone is fed up with the both of them at this stage. Beh-nam went on an offensive comment-spree tonight, so I thought it time to take a deeper looks.

Oh, and I owe you a response to your enquiry. I've not forgotten!! :) - Alison 06:29, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Dude, thanks for the namechange. it was far faster than i thought it would be--Lenary (talk) 06:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Joel Widzer

Please review the edits made by Daniel J. Leivick on the Joel Widzer Page, I think he is being unfair. This guy has a lot of enemies as noted and caught be you earlier —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.211.223.181 (talk) 00:54, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Please note that I have blocked 72.211.223.181 (talk · contribs) for 3RR. Joel Widzer has been deleted, yet again, as advertising. Toddst1 (talk) 01:34, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

lets figure out how this is adversting. i think that Leivick stired up a lot of trouble. please help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reagan0005 (talk • contribs) 01:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at the page and your comments. I think that you know from the few pages that we worked on that i try to adhere to the proper protocol and work towards a helpful site. thanksreagan (talk) 03:41, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Kingturtle. You have new messages at Toddst1's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Hi Kingturtle, could you offer any tips to make this a good page? one that won't upset the world and cause the troulbe there was been in the past...Thanks reagan (talk) 17:41, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

TFD Withdrawl

Just wanted to let you know that I see the good point you made and withdrew Misplaced Pages:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_June_16#Template:Behave. MBisanz 17:42, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

thanks

for fast username change of italian user--Zandegù (talk) 19:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Harmon Killebrew

Before the deletionists go apoplectic, I wonder if you'd mind checking the tag for the image of the Killebrew poster I uploaded? It's a lousy photo, frankly, but it's the best I have at the moment. Next time I go to the Dome, I'll try to get a better one. This thing hangs on the big drape in center and right-center upper deck, and has been there for quite a few years, so "fredoom of panorma", as some non-English speaker once called this kind of thing, would presumably apply, but I don't know how to tag that. Thank you for any help you can provide. Baseball Bugs 05:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, image status is not my strong suit. Your rationale sounds good, though, but I am unsure how to tag it properly. As for the image, it is indeed (as you say) lousy. It might be removed by someone just on its quality alone. Cheers for now, Kingturtle (talk) 11:58, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Luckily I can get another. I just thought it seemed silly not to have an actual photo of one of the game's greats. Quality doesn't seem to be much of a criterion. They'll willingly accept the lousiest snapshot, as long as it's "free". Baseball Bugs 12:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

HELP

Greetings Kingturtle,

Being new to Misplaced Pages, I have no friends or allies yet, but I noticed you made a grammatical correction in the article http://en.wikipedia.org/Ray_Joseph_Cormier. Thanks. By the tags attached to the page, it is under attack. Hopefully you will weigh in with an opinion on these images an Administrator deleted within minutes of seeing the article. They were originally posted by another Administrator with the tag he deemed appropriate, and who created the article. He has not been available for some time. When two Administrators have a diametrically opposed POV, then consensus is built by other users offering an opinion. The Administrator who placed the tags and deleted them wrote they made Cormier look too good and were not neutral. A dispute tag is attached to both images so every opinion in the Discussion counts. Should they be restored or deleted?

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:2nd_Police_warning_4_God%27s_Emissary.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:2nd_Police_Warning_4_God%27s_Emissary_1.jpg

You might be interested to see this image I would like to see posted to the Article having permission from Maclean's Magazine to do so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:MacLean%27s.jpg

I don't know how to restore the images to the article so a reader might offer an opinion, and any help you or another can provide will be appreciated. Will the voice of the turtle be heard throughout the Land? Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 20:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I will not be able to look into this until tomorrow - about 17 hours from the time of this post. Kingturtle (talk) 20:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
  • I do appreciate very much your honest reply. I do not view the questions raised about article to be personal attacks against me so I am emotionally immune there. The discussion with ADM who deleted the images has been conducted in a spirit of goodwill and without prejudice. The Administrator who created the article has been unavailable and as I said I have no friends or allies yet with the time to devote to developing the article which is almost finished. I wish I could find someone to help. I realize a perceived conflict of interest may be claimed but I think the effort to keep the information as factually basic and neutral as possible under the circumstances is evident. The timing is right to bring the information to the public. Honestly, oftentimes I feel humanly totally alone in bringing the factual events to light, but a person of faith is never alone. Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 13:50, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not the place for you to bring your items to light. There are many places on the internet for you to do this: myspace, facebook, livejournal, tribe.net, etc. Please read closely the links I provided you. They will give you a much better understanding of how and Misplaced Pages operates. It is preferred that you step aside from editing the article. Sincerely, Kingturtle (talk) 14:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Nothing prevents you from editing other articles :) We can certainly use your strong editing and writing abilities on articles that aren't about you :) Kingturtle (talk) 14:09, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

  • I have been totally aboveboard in my user page about how I discovered the article and the consequence. I have been learning as I go along. However since the article was created by an Administrator am I not considered to be a "user". Up to just now I was under the impression editing an article about oneself was discouraged but not forbidden since no one else has been available to help. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 14:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
  • I just saw you removed the info box with the links to the disputed images. Now how can any other users offer an opinion on the non free/fair use question? I would not have presumed to remove the tags placed in the article. Did you remove those as well? DoDaCanaDa (talk) 14:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

It is ok for now to leave the box out until the image issue gets resolved. Articles are living breathing documents and can always be fixed and changed later when situations merit.

By the way, it was not my intention to make you feel I was accusing you of starting the article. My intent is to advise you about policies and protocols. True, writing about oneself on Misplaced Pages is not forbidden, but it is discouraged, and I am trying to discourage you :)

Lastly, refer to yourself and others here as editors rather than users - at least that's the language I like to use :) Kingturtle (talk) 15:24, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

  • You have definitely discouraged me from editing. I had planned to finish the article with the week I attended the Republican National Convention in Kansas City during the bi-centennial of the American Revolution in 1976 along with the record of the time in the Kansas City Times of September 13, 1976.(The paper picked the date of publication) With the benefit of 31 years hindsight, specific prophetic statements in that newspaper report can be seen to have been fulfilled. Walking softly carrying my big stick, I approached every Senator, Congressman and delegate talking in small groups within the thousands socializing in the Lobby of The Crown Center Hotel. It is my claim Senator Jarvis Proposition 13 in California was inspired by my image in the pictures. I have no doubt in the future, when senior Republican Party leaders who attended that Convention have their memories provoked by the picture, they will have to admit, "Yes, I remember that guy." As if to lend authority to all the referenced headers applied to me by The Citizen in time past, the night President Ford won the nomination, my image standing at the podium of The President of The United States on a Secret Service restricted balcony must have appeared revolutionary to the thousands of witnesses in person and ABC, CBS, and NBC broadcasting live at a Republican Convention. The image is one in dispute.

Would you please restore the disputed images to the article so users can post an opinion on them? Otherwise how can the dispute be resolved? Many thanks. Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 15:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

The images you mentioned above in your original post on this page have not been deleted; they have been removed from the article. Are those the images you are referring to? Or are there other images in question here? Kingturtle (talk) 15:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
  • These are the images linked at the beginning of this discussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:2nd_Police_warning_4_God%27s_Emissary.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:2nd_Police_Warning_4_God%27s_Emissary_1.jpg DoDaCanaDa (talk) 16:09, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah. Those images are not deleted, just removed. I'll look into why. I'll start a thread about them at Talk:Ray Joseph Cormier. Kingturtle (talk) 16:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

  • I really appreciate the time you have taken to deal with this. I'm sure you have more pressing matters to take care of. Again, bear with me being unfamiliar with all the rules and policies of Misplaced Pages. If you read the discussion between J any myself, his last word was the images can be restored to the article, but he himself would not undo what he did. I don't know how to do it. It was a Misplaced Pages Administrator who originally posted them with the tag he believed appropriate. If it is left up to users to resolve the dispute between Administrators by posting an opinion, how can they do that if they don't know the images exist and were once in the article?

This paragraph from the article I consider to be significantly important. "In 1981, Cormier hitchhiked from Ottawa to Whitehorse, Yukon to draw attention to Revelation 19:11 . Newspapers across the country chronicled his journey, and twenty years later the world was stunned to witness 9/11 as described in Revelation 18. That year he was shocked to learn of the development and deployment of the neutron bomb by the good guys in world evolution. He considers the concept of the device to be demonic and anti-human, exposing the power that brought it into existence for what it is. The nuclear device does not explode a fiery blast to destroy the loot, but unleashes enhanced dirty radiation so that the people die a slow, tortuous death. That has come home to roost with the fears these days of terrorists building a crude dirty bomb." While there are many References indicating I was in fact in Whitehorse, because of the strict policies over copyright, it's exasperating to know how speedily the disputed images were deleted and yet having gotten written permission from Maclean's to reprint the script, eight days have passed since the information was sent to permissions-en@wikimedia.org and this is still not posted: http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:MacLean%27s.jpg

DoDaCanaDa (talk) 19:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Let's wait until User:J Milburn comes back so he can clarify what he thinks. There's no harm in waiting a few days. In the meantime, I hope you can read the links I provided for you earlier. Cheers, Kingturtle (talk) 19:56, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
  • I'm very disappointed to see the article totally destroyed, but I'm no stranger to disappointment. I had hoped to be able to complete it and then find someone to help me to perfect it so it would read encyclopedic. The interaction with Trudeau concurrent to the 3 Popes was factual, not fantasy. I have copies obtained under the Access to Information Act of RCMP reports confirming the substance of those facts. The Declaration on Remembrance Day is exactly factual and important, referenced and in Court documents. What further verification is required? Since I discovered the article April 19, approximately 2500 views were registered to the page from an average of 60 views a month for the two years previous. According to Misplaced Pages because they did not object is considered consent to the way it read. This paragraph from the article I consider to be significantly important: "In 1981, Cormier hitchhiked from Ottawa to Whitehorse, Yukon to draw attention to Revelation 19:11 . Newspapers across the country chronicled his journey, and twenty years later the world was stunned to witness 9/11 as described in Revelation 18." There was an off site link so a user could read directly 19:11 and 9/11 from Revelation themselves. Deleting this information will not stop what is already in motion. This could have been edited to be more encyclopedic in style. Everyone has a POV. I do want to especially thank you for the help you were providing me to earlier. Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 01:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
  • I was feeling overwhelmed and defeated yesterday by the decimation of the article by two editors, but today is a new day and I am in a stronger mood. I'm sorry you deleted the images that are now appropriately tagged. I saw your entry on J Milburn's talk. This is what he said already: "I moved the comment to the talk page, as there is no tag to oppose the deletion notice I used there. Seeing as you asked, I have no opposition to you adding back the images, but others may, and the images may still be deleted. However, the tags should not be removed until the issue is resolved. I am watching the article, but I doubt I will be editing it much." J Milburn (talk) 21:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

"As I said above, I have no huge objection to you adding back the images yourself. An administrator will assess whether the images should be deleted after a few days, I don't remember how long off-hand. As for the maintenance tags on the article, the best way to get them removed will be to deal with the issues- provide sources for everything in the article, ensure it is written from the neutral point of view and ensure it is written in an encyclopedic tone. J Milburn (talk) 15:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I will not undo your action, but this should address your concerns, and I will leave any remedy up to you. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 15:53, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Please be patient. There is no deadline; there is no hurry. I am waiting for Milburn's return. Kingturtle (talk) 17:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Username change

Hi Kingturtle! I noticed that my username change request from a few days ago was skipped, and there was no comments from admins about why that was the case. Are there any issues with my username change? Thanks for the help! --Samuel tan85 (talk) 01:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed the change, thanks!-Samy85 (talk) 05:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't do it

My IP address may have been high-jacked, as I have been censured and blocked for changes/deletions to Misplaced Pages entries, which I have never made. Vicki 142.161.49.49 (talk) 17:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

That event took place in January. Everything should be reset by now. Cheers. Kingturtle (talk) 17:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Hazara people

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Hazara people. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Kingturtle (talk) 20:03, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Which part of the article is disputed? Surely the entire article is not disputed, it is very well sourced. RodneySmithJr (talk) 20:04, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

There have been over 30 reverts on that article over the past 5 months. One would look there for the disputes. Kingturtle (talk) 20:18, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Paul Davidson - notability tag

Dear Kingturtle, the article on Paul Davidson got a notability tag from you. He happens to be a prominent enough Post Keynesian economist (although I disagree with most things he has written). I have some source material to beef up the article, and will put him on my to do list. I suggest that you remove the notability tag. The article is of course extremely minimal, not even a stub. Hope to get around to fixing it in the coming weeks. Cheers Robertsch55 (talk) 22:51, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

You have no right

I first contacted you for help and you delivered the opposite. I am not challenging you on the edits you made to the main article http://en.wikipedia.org/Ray_Joseph_Cormier, but I do challenge your action to delete the article in the Discussion. I have undone and will undo anyone who deletes it. Let the users decide. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

You are misinterpretting how Misplaced Pages works. Old edits aren't delete; they are archived in the article's history. This way we all can see what was written and when, and what was changed and when. Nothing has been deleted. Content has been removed, but that old content is easily found in the article's history. Kingturtle (talk) 19:59, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Lou Gehrig

I wonder if you could take a look at this article's stalled GAN and provide a second GA review? This GA nomination made back in May has gone nowhere in the last two weeks because of the reviewer's prose objections and he has not responded to rejoinders. JGHowes - 10:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I see the article has a number of revisions and copyedits needed. It isn't something I can address immediately. But something I can work on over the next few weeks. Kingturtle (talk) 17:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

RfA Review

Hello Kingturtle. I've noticed that you have a completed set of responses to the RfA Review question phase at User:Kingturtle/RfA review , but they don't seem to be included on the list of responses here. If you've completed your responses, please can you head to Misplaced Pages:RfA Review/Question/Responses and add a link to them at the bottom of the list so that they get included in the research. We have a closing date of midnight UTC on 1st July, so please add your link before this date. Once again, thank you for taking the time to participate in the Question Phase of RfA Review.Gazimoff Read 14:59, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not done yet, and I don't know if I will have time. Kingturtle (talk) 15:16, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
No problem. We put the date in place to allow it to draw to a close before compiling the report. Drop me a note when you feel you're ready, and I'll do my best to incorporate it in to the report. Many thanks, Gazimoff Read 15:21, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Ray Joseph Cormier images

If a free image could not possibly be created or found that showed the subject, then one of them could be used. Otherwise, to comply with our non-free content criteria, they should be deleted. J Milburn (talk) 16:10, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, another picture of the event cannot be located. Kingturtle (talk) 16:13, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
  • It seems to me this is exactly why Discussion pages exist. The original tag attached to the images is in dispute. The membership is greater than the 5 of us posting opinions in this dispute. Unless the four of you speak for all of Misplaced Pages, how can the dispute be brought to consensus if the images cannot be seen by other users? DoDaCanaDa (talk) 02:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

User:Inshalla is sockpuppet of banned User:Anoshirawan

Hello everyone, this is "Inshalla". I am a Canadian majoring in mid eastern and east Indian history at McGill. I am by no means an expert on the usage and terminology on Misplaced Pages but definately have reviewed historical articles on Ahmed Shah Durrani. Not sure who this "Kingturtle" is and the unidentified user 119.30.69.203 (maybe both are the same). Nevertheless, why does my edits get reversed by this turtle without any justifications with historical facts whatsoever and being locked out for weeks  ? Please act maturedly and provide justifications for you blatent inaccuracies and actions. ...... Khuda Hafis.


P.S. I really don't care who "Anoshirawan" or this "NisarKand" or what ever they believe in, but if this "Kingturtle" is some sort of a moderator with Misplaced Pages and an expert on history, then please be totally unbiased. Thank you. I am no "sockpuppet" of anyone period. Thx.





Can you please do a checkuser for User:Inshalla to confirm that he is a sockpuppet of the banned User:Anoshirawan. This vandal just wont leave the Ahmad Shah Durrani article alone. Thanks!--119.30.69.203 (talk) 18:18, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

here you say it is Beh-nam. Kingturtle (talk) 18:21, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
I was not sure at that time but now I'm 100% sure it is banned User:Anoshirawan. Latest edits on Ahmad Shah Durrani page was made by IP from East Coast USA and admin Thatcher explained previously that Anoshirawan is in USA. --119.30.69.203 (talk) 18:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Nice try NisarKand, but Anoshirawan is not from the East coast so that is not even him. But still Kinturtle supports you and undid that IP to your version and locked the article on your version! He will be reported for proxying for banned users (that is actually why Beh-nam got banned) and YOU will be reported to Alison and IP range blocked for ever! RodneySmithJr (talk) 18:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Once again Kingturtle you are collaborating with the IP of user:NisarKand. You will soon be reported for proxying for NisarKand (banned racist user). RodneySmithJr (talk) 18:25, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
And you also protected the article on NisarKand's version... once again! I will report this to Alison very soon, it is too obvious you are proxying for NisarKand! Even though you know that this is his IP you support him and you never asked for an IP range block on him, just on Beh-nam. Also you have never done a checkuser on NisarKand. Proxying for banned users is a serious violation and I will take this to high level admins soon! RodneySmithJr (talk) 18:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


For the record, I protected User:Scythian1's version. Kingturtle (talk) 18:50, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Nice try, but Scythian's version was NisarKand's version. NisarKand made this version. You are still proxying for him and will be reported soon. This is why Beh-nam got banned actually, he was asking admins to unblock user:Tajik and the admins banned him for it. You will be banned just like Beh-nam was and then you will know how it feels like to be banned. RodneySmithJr (talk) 18:52, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Identify all the NisarKand puppets and IPs and I will gladly report them. Kingturtle (talk) 19:01, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Also, for the record, I have requested checkusers on NisarKand, and most of resulted in blocks. Kingturtle (talk) 19:09, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Proxying involves posting or editing material at the direction of a banned user. I am not in communication with any banned user regarding what to write in articles. Kingturtle (talk) 19:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)