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Major depressive disorder

Casliber (talk · contribs)

• Featured article candidates/Major depressive disorder
• Featured article candidates/Major depressive disorder/restart

This can be considered a group nomination, although where to draw the line can be hazy. For some months, three editors (me, Cosmic Latte and Paul Gene) have been in a concerted effort to get this here, along with EverSince and others along the way. delldot gave a very thorough review, and orangemarlin, Tony and many others have chipped in with advice, including negotiating a way through alternative therapies and so forth. Do I think it is perfect? No, but I do honestly feel it is one of Misplaced Pages's best articles and stands up well with others I have been involved with. We didn't send it to GAN mainly as delldot did such a thorough workthrough and the size was such I sorta felt it was a big ask for one editor to read and judge. One final thing, the article stands at 51 kb readable prose, 1 kb more than the upper limit for FAC. However, I have been unable to figure out what the last little bit to lose, or whether folks felt ignoring the rules WRT article size was okay. I figured this may be the best venue for consensus on this, in the coal-face as it were. Anyway, lemme know how we can make it betterer. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:57, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Images

• Image:Albert Ellis 2003 emocionalmente sentado.jpg is concerning; "Received from Martine Mallary of the Albert Ellis Institute on 5/10/2005 in response to my request for a copyright-free photo." — ideally we'd have an OTRS ticket or some other form of evidence. Jay Slupesky doesn't have email enabled but you may wish to try pinging his talk page.

I note Jay has not edited in over a year. I will try to fire off an email to the Institute directly. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Image:Lavater1.jpg needs a specific source (which 18th century text by Johann Kaspar Lavater?). Once that's done I'll move it to Commons.

It comes from Physiognomische Fragmente zur Beförderung der Menschenkenntnis und Menschenliebe (1775-1778). So transfer away...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Image:Emil Kraepelin.png needs a source; there's no evidence that it's PD-US at the moment.
• Same for Image:Wm james.jpg.

Giggy (talk) 13:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: Isn't it PD-US if it's more than 70 years past the date of publication? Both Kraepelin and James died more than 70 years ago, so I'm assuming that criterion would apply here. Cosmic Latte (talk) 03:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments -

• You've mixed using the Template:Citation with the templates that start with Cite such as Template:Cite journal or Template:Cite news. They shouldn't be mixed per WP:CITE#Citation templates.
• Current ref 28 (Warman, et. al.) is lacking a last access date (done)
• Current ref 74 (Beck Depression ..) is lacking a last access date (done)
• Current ref 83 (World Health Organization) is lacking a last access date (done and formatted)
• Looks like current ref 176 (WHO) has a formatting glitch of some sort (done and formatted)
• Current ref 209 (gutenburg.org) is just a bare url (done and formatted)
• Current ref 235 (Geoghegan) is lacking a last access date (done)
• Current ref 242 (Pita) is lacking a publisher. Also what makes this a reliable source? (the link shows it having been published in a newspaper's magazine supplement. Not great I know, I didn't put it there and will see what consensus here decides, and read the RS bit elsewhere)
• http://nccam.nih.gov/health/stjohnswort/sjwataglance.htm+ deadlinks (fixed, it was the erratn '+' on the end which glitched it)

Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• WRT cite templates, I use cite book/journal etc, but I thought the generic citation was necessary for Harvard referencing, which I tried to do with the cited texts which have several inline references scattered through the list. I can change the harvard ones to cite book but would hte harvard still work? Will get to work on the others when I wake up, but I need to sleep now. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Check with Mav (talk · contribs) or one of his latest FARs ... he has a way of doing it (using cite xxx templates with Harvnbs) that I haven't figured out or bookmarked yet. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment about the world map why are low sucide rates in red? and high rates in yellow & orange? I suggest switching to something more obvious such as green/blue, then yelow, then orange and red/black for worst. Nergaal (talk) 23:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. I will ask on the commons page. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Comment - Wording seems misleading in places. Examples:

• (from lead) - "However, the relief of symptoms usually occurs several weeks or more after changes in neurotransmitter levels, which suggests that the precise role of neurotransmitter levels in depressive illness is still not fully understood." - That symptom relief may occur weeks after neurotransmitter levels change is not the only evidence "that the precise role of neurotransmitter levels in depressive illness is still not fully understood." - It is only one example. Perhaps rewording could generalize for a statement in the lead.

OK, good point - regarding detail in the lead, do you think just noting tehre are several factors is enough, or shall I add the facts that depletion in some people does not cause or worsen depression, and drugs which don't work on the pathway. How much detail you think we need there? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

• "Psychological factors include the complex development of personality and how a person has learned to cope with external environmental factors, such as stress." Perhaps you could reword it. The last part is just a specific example of the first part. The reference given for the sentence does not say anything about "personality development" or "stress" but rather describes a study in which 78 subjects received 20 sessions of cognitive-behavioral therapy for treatment of depression and gives specific examples of behaviors associated with subsequent relapse derived from questionnaire data. —Mattisse (Talk) 04:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

yeah, need to fix that one. Will check some refs tonight. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)