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Music Project

Hi. I don't know whether you remember the discussion about the Music Project in July? I've now put the template up for deletion here? Thanks. --Kleinzach 23:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Bach

Hi Eusebeus -- Florestan here -- thank you for your backup on that article. I had just now, in the last ten minutes before you posted, pulled a weighty pile of books from my shelf to provide quotations from minor figures like Donald Francis Tovey, Nicolas Slonimsky, and Richard Wagner ("Bach is the most stupendous miracle in music") to back up the five theses nailed to our talk page door. I wonder if I'm wasting my time. The sky still appears to be blue, but the scholars aren't putting it in exactly those words. Maybe we need to rewrite the lead as follows: "Johann Sebastian Bach (1685 (cite) - 1750 (cite) ) was a German (cite) composer (cite) of the late Baroque era (cite). Scholars such as xxx (cite) and xxx (cite) thought his music wasn't bad (cite). He played the organ too (cite). -- OK, I'm glad I wrote that: I'm no longer irritated: I'm laughing. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 15:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Florestan! Oh that was funny! Do you remember the argument that erupted when JSB went through the good article process? It was mighty similar to what you are saying above. Anyway, I have been running my fingers through Kinderszenen this morning, channeling the inner Eusebeus more than usual and so was happy to intervene again. I have posted to the Composers project page asking for wider input. Eusebeus (talk) 15:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

You've got mail. -- Yes, I like the way they handle it on fr: and de: too, and yes I remember that shocking scene at GA (wasn't there someone who had never heard the term "musicology" and regarded that as a special badge of pride? And yet thought himself qualified to assess the article on matters of content? -- oy.) Been playing (badly) the slow movement of Beethoven's opus 106, which, when properly considered, makes conflicts here look miniscule and amoebic. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 22:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

(Butting in) I think things will ease up at some stage when we get some form of show/hide switch for inline refs. Funny, but I can completely tune them out. I had a similar argument with Tony about bluelinks; he considers them in numbers problematic for reading prose, however, I have really tuned them out too. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

(to Antandrus) Oh now that's just fucking impressive. Inspired, I tried the same but admit I gave up at about mm 88 as simply too much. But I think you are more the musician than I am. You know that is a VERY interesting movement. If you consider the phrasing, it is SO full of nuance. For example, right at the beginning, the decrescendo at m5 effectively acts as a fermata (even though none is indicated) - but just try playing it in tempo; much the same obtains throughout the movement. Anyway, I am blessed to be in contact with two editors (yes, that means you too Casliber, dammit, don't let it go to your head!, and btw I have some good stuff about the garbage patch to add in) who are so bloody talented. This is why I remain here. Honestly: thanks. Eusebeus (talk) 03:47, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I confess, I have had too many dishes on the stove, although I don't think I have burnt or ruined any just yet...I do recall some talk of moving the name of GPGP to EGP via an email or somesuch. Would this still be prudent? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

• Yea, I have a lot of shit for you on this point, but I am still accumulating. Don't fear - you are still on the hook ;). Eusebeus (talk) 04:19, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

major depressive disorder

I decided to do an article with more gravitas than the usual FA fare, and gravitas it has in buckets...all 130kb, luckily it has under 50kb of prose. It has recently had a high colonic by delldot and looks the better for it. I have gone goggle-eyed at it and am aware of the likelihood of oodles of glitches in the mammoth prose. I as wondering with your aptitude for succinct prose whether there were any ungainly bits that needed a good massage. PS: This is a good example of an article which needs citing to the hilt, all it needs is some antipsychiatry (or pro-psychiatry or god-knows-what-well-anyone-with-a-difference-of-opinion-to-me) person to come along and raise hell. have a look at the talk page and history of schizophrenia for a good chuckle...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

My impression is it is not too far off (though I am square/goggle-eyed from looking at it). I wasn't high on my list of to-do items, but several editors began improving it in earnest, so I decided to take advantage of the synergy/conflux/concursus/whatever and tried to work it into an impromptu collaboration. Won't know whether it will have worked until after a successful FAC but I am cautiously optimistic, though dread taking such a behemoth through FAC without every attempt to clean up as much as possible. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, so bigmouth astute observer whose contributions and opinion I value, has pointed out some content issues we have to address before copyediting really...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

carrots rather than sticks

I suspect you see a fair few pages in your wiki-travels and I know you have a bit to say on the depth of coverage of cruft vs. encyclopedic material. In efforts to counteract systemic bias with sticks rather than carrots (and seeing what non-obscure stubs remain out there), i have listed a minicompetition of sorts here, so I'd be intrigued what comes up. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:52, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

India House

Here's something that your touch and skill with copyediting succinctly may be able to dislodge some issues at a second unsuccessful attempt at FAC. I was asked to have a look and was impressed at the subject matter I had hitherto been completely unaware of. I can copyedit but tend to dicker around a bit, whereas you have a talent for really being able to appraise 3-4 sentences and summarising very succinctly very well. If you are too snowed never mind, but I did think that a bit of finesse copyediting could see this through. Anyway, see what you think and how you're travelling timewise. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:38, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I did a quick drive by on the first four paragraphs. It needs a rewrite top to bottom - luckily the raw material is quite good so the copy-editing is not too burdensome. But as with many FACs the article is a bit long, so it will be a time consuming process. I know absolutely nothing about the subject, so I regret I can only contribute whatever prose skills I may possess. Eusebeus (talk) 20:37, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Weird, eh? The things one reads about on WP...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:48, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. I now know what Manga means for instance. Ok, you should probably comb through my copyedit and reove any infelicities I have left behind. Eusebeus (talk) 21:17, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

If I can, weekend chores are mounting and I have just merged the obviously synonymous werewolf and lycanthrope, and there is alot of spring cleaning to do there!! Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

PS: I was not aware that early 20th century Indian scholars were into manga...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch

• Thank you for your recent participation in the AFD which closed with a snow result of Keep. Unfortunately, the nominator is not content with this consensus and is now proposing that the article be merged. Please see discussion. Colonel Warden (talk) 20:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Funny thing is....

I too can see the value of merges (I mean, you think merging two synonyms would be simple(?)), but I will try to be more collaborative in the discussion, and see, all looks promising - there is a difference between asking and demanding.

PS: Jack Merridew/Davenbelle was another I meant to add to editors who actually have a surprisingly lot to offer, but for the crossing of certain taboos Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:17, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

You seem to go way back. Why did you delete all my discussion stuff on the Wall Street Crash of 1929? I just learned how to make footnotes 2 days ago. I need all the help I can get. Johndoeemail (talk) 17:41, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I wasn't trying to be rude (and feel free to restore them if you wish) - just that your discussion comments seemed rather stream-of-consciousness. You don't need to provide rationale for the kind of solid edits you have been making. To wit, your edits to the article were much appreciated and if you are interested I have a few thoughts about shoring up the work you put in. Eusebeus (talk) 19:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, any help would be greatly appreciated. I am having the most trouble with anything associated with Smoot-Hawley. I am getting the feeling that as much as possible about Smoot-Hawley should be removed from the article but I am too ignorant to know what to do. Thanks again. Johndoeemail (talk) 00:41, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

• I will reply on the article talk page jde. I will also clean up your comments if you don't mind as adding a new section for every one you have to make is unnecessary and distracting. Eusebeus (talk) 15:03, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

The Lily of Killarney soundfile

Hi. This sound file was approved as a 'featured sound' despite your opposition and that of Michael Bednarek. If you are still interested see ZMcBride#Featured_sounds. Thanks. (BTW The file is no longer on the article.) Best. --Kleinzach 08:44, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Scrubs is back

http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Tej68 —Kww(talk) 02:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Whoa, calm down.

I noticed, based upon the ALL CAPS that you seem to be more than a bit grumpy about the edit tags getting removed. I honestly don't believe it is getting worked up about. Really. Have a nice day =) Javascap (talk) 02:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

AAU reminder notice

A friendly reminder from the Adopt-a-User project =)

Hey there Eusebeus! This is a friendly reminder to update your status at Misplaced Pages:Adopt-a-User/Adoptee's Area/Adopters whenever it is appropriate in order to provide new users with the most up-to-date information on available adopters. Also please note that we will be removing adopters who have not edited in 60 days. If you become active again (and we hope you do!) please feel free to re-add yourself. Cheers!

• Notice delivery by xenobot 14:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

All is for the best, in this, the best of all possible worlds

One of the advantages of not having many supporters at your RFA is that there are fewer people to thank at the end. Thanks for your support and your willingness to look at my complete record. I'm going to try to interpret this resounding defeat as a statement that I should choose my words more carefully in the future, and remember that every statement I make gets recorded forever, just waiting to get carefully transcribed onto my next RFA. I would go insane if I believed that it was repudiation of what I truly meant: that no editor should consciously and willfully ignore guidelines and policies, and editors that repeatedly do so should not be rewarded for or supported in doing so.

I'm sure I'll get back to full speed editing soon, because, after all, , every day, and in every way, I am getting better and better.—Kww(talk) 05:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

• Kevin, you will make a fine admin and I am confident that at some point you will succeed. You have an integrity that we need and I will support you unconditionally should you brave the RfA waters again. Eusebeus (talk) 04:29, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Protection

Since the attacks on this page restarted after the previous protection expired, i've readded it for another week, hopefully long enough for them to get bored.--Jac16888 (talk) 00:37, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Tx. Hadn't realised. Wonder what that is all about? Muh. Eusebeus (talk) 13:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Hi Eusebeus, and thanks for supporting my successful request for adminship. It was nice to see all the kind comments I got from my supporters and I hope that I will be more useful to the community now that I have the tools again.--Berig (talk) 15:57, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Belated reply (sigh)

Here I was going to argue about how importatn it was to do high traffic articles such as major depressive disorder.....but then I noted MPatHG has been viewed almost as much, and even the subpages get a substantial amount, ah well, such is life. I do this to relax, and merge debates were/are not what I needed, though my decision to pursue major depressive disorder has been less than therapeutic and an exercise in humility really. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Jean-Baptiste Morin (composer)

Salut Eusebeus, Si le thème t'intéresse toujours, voici quelques informations supplémentaires http://www.larousse.fr/ref/musdico/Jean-Baptiste-Morin_169223.htm. Un bonjour musical de -- frinck (talk) 18:51, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikiquette

OK, I might have pushed it with this remark as far as WP policies go. Still, I'm merely continuing an old posting that started over a month ago (my first sentence links to the archive). The issue with Alastairward is that he adheres to WP policies on the expense of the entire South Park fan community that reads WP. I'm talking about common sense here - any thoughts? NotAnotherAliGFan (talk) 21:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• I would solicit feedback from both the Television and Southpark projects. I personally am in agreement with Alastair, and would urge you to accept that our policies exist for a reason. But above all, remain civil, don't take things personally and ask for wider input. Eusebeus (talk) 23:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Question from a new user

Hello, you seem to be truly helpful, I'm new and had an assist on my client: Manuelita Brown, sculptor. I find it not true to my contrib. and somewhat askew on facts/biased with no basis, also they left out all the good refs, please help to correct it to my true written piece. thxRoserobert (talk) 01:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

• Could you be more specific in your question? I am not sure I understand what you are asking. Eusebeus (talk) 05:47, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Major depressive disorder FAC restarted

Note to all !voters on the original Major depressive disorder FAC: The FAC for that article has been restarted at Misplaced Pages:Featured_article_candidates/Major_depressive_disorder. Cosmic Latte (talk) 02:33, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Übersetzungsfrage

sg, here is the passage.

Indem diese Vollkommenheit jedoch im Unterschied zur Einheit des Organismus stets erst verwirklicht werden muss, vermittelt eine derartige Sicht nicht mehr wie im 12. Jahrhundert den Eindruck einer statischen Ordnung; vielmehr liegt ihr die Vorstellung eines dynamischen Prozesses zugrunde, welcher aus der Spannung zwischen der jeweils konkreten Existenz des Staates und einem also vollkommen betrachteten Idealzustand hervorgeht. Folglich erstreckt sich auch die Tätigkeit des Herrschers nicht mehr allein darauf, die verschiedenartigen Funktionen der im Staat vereinigten Berufsgruppen und Stände miteinander zu koordinieren.

I am a bit bewildered by the opening sentence, but I translate it as follows:

Insofar as this perfection, in contrast with unity of the organism, must first be achieved, such a vision no longer mediates, as in the 12th century, the impression of a static order.

Anyway, if you can help me out (and even if not - no worries), vielen Dank! Eusebeus (talk) 00:09, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

That's horrible German! Without reading your translation first, I'd translate it as Because this perfection always has to be realized first, contrary to the unity of the organism, such a perception/view does not convey/impart the impression of static order as was once usual in the 12th century. Now, comparing my translation to yours, I still don't know what it means. Mix your translation with mine, and you may be getting to the truth. – sgeureka 00:27, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks sg! Yours is an improvement over mine. Can you give a stab at the rest of the passage? (This is needless to say academic German.) I won't influence you by posting my own translation. Eusebeus (talk) 13:50, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

it(**) is rather based on the conception/belief of a dynamic process that emerges from the tension between the respective concrete existence of the state and a therefore completely examined(***) perfection. Thus, the duty of a ruler/sovereign is also broadened beyond coordinating the diverse functions of occupational groups and classes that the state unifies.

• (**) it == the perfection, but could also be the view, depending on the preceding sentences
• (***) Please check if your source says "und einem also vollkommen betrachteten Idealzustand" or "und einem als vollkommen betrachteten Idealzustand". The second version is redundantly redundant but changes the meaning to and an as perfect regarded aspired state/condition. – sgeureka 14:29, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

• Ok, that is much better than what I had. I am pretty sure the original is also but I'll check. Now, I had an issue with the phrase "einem also vollkommen betrachteten Idealzustand" so I appreciate your clarification. My translation was of necessity very loose, since I could fine NO WAY to turn Tilman Struve's German into readable, digestible English that followed his sentence structure. Thus, I had:

"It is instead based on the view of a dynamic process that emerges as a result of the tension between the state as it exists in the concrete and as it can thus be imagined (betrachten) to exist as a perfectly-realised ideal."

But I am not sure if that is too much of a change in meaning. Anyway, thank you so much - wirklich, eine große Hilfe und ich stehe tief in Deiner Schuld. Eusebeus (talk) 15:17, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good as well. "betrachten" can also be translated with "regard". Anway, I was always looking for an opportunity to get back at your for helping out with Jagdschloss Glienicke ages ago. :-) – sgeureka 16:05, 28 November 2008 (UTC)