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An image

Sorry to annoy you once more, but could you check out this image? Part of the FUR says "It is of much lower resolution than the original" which is confusing considering the size. Also, the source seems to be a book published in Bulgaria in 1941, which wouldn't be a reliable source, would it? Thanks in advance, BalkanFever

Karposh's Rebellion

Hi Katze, is it possible, because of permanent vandalism from IP-s this article to be semi-protected? Jingby (talk) 13:18, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me, what about my question? Jingby (talk) 16:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, sorry for not answering earlier. It didn't seem to rise to the levels of disruption that would justify protection, as far as I can see. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Sakis Rouvas

Hi there. I noticed that you edited the corresponding article a while back. Since then it has been re-expanded. His personal life section has been filled with tabloid gossip and I feel that this poses a gross WP:BLP violation. I have tried in vain to explain to this person what is wrong with what he is doing but he keeps reverting my edits and does not even seem to grasp the concept of reliable sources and NPOV. I have nor the time nor energy to keep this up. Could you please help? Best wishes, ギリシャ人 (talk) 22:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for the quick block of Windowsforgood. Since this kind of thing often sits in AIV for a while and I try my best to stay as far away from ANI as possible, I was afraid that I'd be reverting Copyvios all night :) Cheers! Apparition /Mistakes 07:48, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Request for unprotection

- Just a heads up. A comment from the protecting admin weighing in about this one would be helpful. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 16:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Opinion

Can we have your opinion on unprotection request on Cham Albanians?Balkanian`s word (talk) 16:54, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Opinion

Can we have your opinion on unprotection request on Cham Albanians?Balkanian`s word (talk) 16:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Back to NIR-Warrior?

Please see what User:AddBOT is doing to Bucharest. AddBOT seems to be restoring everything that has been cleaned up after the banned sock NIR-Warrior and his IP look-alikes 79.101.200.189 and 88.250.20.5 (I called your attention to these look-alikes here). Thank you. --Zlerman (talk) 17:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

LOL, a sockpuppet posing as a bot, that's a new one. He gets a point for inventiveness, at least. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your instant action. --Zlerman (talk) 17:58, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Istanbul Pic

Hello, as you might have seen on the talk page of Istanbul, I am really a dumb when it comes to computers and so, can, you, or anyone you might know or recommend, help us on doing a NYC kind of montage that would please everyone?? (I opened the topic on the talk page, no one responded yet :( ).

Cheers! --Emir Ali Enç (talk) 23:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

"Rant"

This is the second time you are dismissing my serious questions in my posts as a "rant" which deserves no reply. Straightforward question: Do you have any personal problem with me? Because it definitely looks like it when you are not responding to the essence of my post. (And btw, no, WP:UE is a guideline, NOT a policy, so be a little more cautious). NikoSilver 18:37, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

No, I have no problem with you personally. You know I like you and I consider you my friend. But, I can't help it, I sometimes have this feeling in discussion with you, your logic simply evades me. I'm lost for words. It feels like arguing against a smokescreen. There are just too many loose ends and too many logical inconsistencies in your argument to address them all at once. I don't know where to start. Trying to address them would dissolve the whole argument into a hopeless tangle.

It's different with Kekrops. He can be the most pig-headed wiki-lawyer the world has seen, but at least when debating with him I have the feeling there's some thread of coherence between us and we somehow seem to understand what the other is saying.

Sorry if I offended you, but I can't help it, I really don't see how I could meaningfully respond to posts like that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Σταματήστε, θα δακρύσω. Τόση φιλία δεν την αντέχει ο ευαίσθητος συναισθηματικός μου κόσμος... ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 19:20, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Apology accepted and friendship mutual and appreciated. Now did you ever think there's nowhere to start from because there simply aren't any loose ends in my logic? I mean when someone disagrees with you, does he always have to be wrong? Please try re-reading my post a sentence at a time. The last time we disagreed on the exact same arguments, it was in the MOSMAC talkpage (which I was summarizing). But we respected each other's arguments then. What changed since? NikoSilver 22:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I did re-read your post, sentence by sentence. Sorry, but every single sentence is wrong. There isn't a single one that's salvagable. And yes, we've been through it all, and I haven't got anything more to say about them than what I said back then. Some of your arguments are really, forgive my frankness, laughable. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:16, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Maybe what is laughable is the idea that a mere disambiguation before a name is worth risking millions of lives. Maybe what is laughable is WP's priorities. Maybe what is laughable is the creation and the interpretation of certain tailor-made guidelines which were designed to serve the exact same purpose for years. Maybe what is laughable is me continuing to deal with all this appalling system here. But, surely, what is mostly laughable is that people of a high mental capacity tend to behave like a modern Socrates in supporting the system, despite it being evidently completely rotten. Although a Greek, I'd choose Che myself. NikoSilver 23:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I throw up my hands in despair. If this topic is too hot for you to debate it reasonably, better not try. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:15, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Hehe, I picture your gesture... I love it when Germans become passionate! You'll come around. You'll see. NikoSilver 11:29, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

You are lucky you never saw me eating my hat in despair. I once had a real-to-life depiction of it here on Misplaced Pages. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:31, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

WP:LOBU#Rjecina

FWIW, the entries use {{vandal-s}}, not {{userlinks}}. Also, you're not supposed to sign your post after an entry. Cheers, →Dyl@n620 19:51, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

NIR-Warrior2

I was wondering if you would take a look at this user, as you have blocked the initial user in the past, who then performed a huge edit on the Cyprus page with a rather threatening explanation. I don't want to start an edit war, but as you have experience with this user, I was hoping you'd take a look at his/her activity. Angryapathy (talk) 20:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

PD review

See commons:Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#PD_review. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

left question for you there. — Rlevse • Talk • 09:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement

I agree entirely with your comment about Kekrops needing a topic ban - he has clearly violated the arbitration sanctions in this case (see WP:ARBMAC#Decorum in particular). I've therefore proposed a topic ban at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#Greek nationalist disruption on Republic of Macedonia. Your views would be welcome. -- ChrisO (talk) 09:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Dear,

I am sorry that it’s about two years that you deal with a text of “Eagle’s wing” magazine, pretending that it is too much tendentious but in fact the pages of this magazine are used often as references even from your encyclopedia. I am saying, “dear”, because it can’t be different. This magazine is really the only information source for the Cham problem, which is a big problem for the international justice and politics, not only for Albania. In these conditions, notwithstanding the deletion of this article from your pages, it will remain a source of references for everybody who wants to know more about the Cham Albanians. You have to know that with your action you have caused trouble to a big community of writers, journalists, artists etc. If you had had the good desire, you would have edited the page, as you did with Bilal Xhaferri’s page. And you wouldn’t delete it completely. If something tendentious was in it, you had to edit it. I think that it’s in your honor to review this severe attitude and find the way that even “Eagle’s magazine” can be viewed in the pages of your encyclopedia. In this way you will respect the fifty years work of the dissident Cham intellectuals. Respectfully Xanxari en. March 26, 2009

--Xanxari en. (talk) 12:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Look, I have no problem if you can write a decent little article on that thing. Under the following conditions:

1. Convincing references to neutral third-party sources talking about that journal, documenting that it is notable
2. No text copied from elsewhere
3. No WP:PEACOCK language boosting the importance of the journal artificially
4. No tendentious wording promoting the political ideas expressed by the journal

Can you do that? It's really not that hard, you know. And please stop spamming links to non-notable sites into other articles. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:12, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Again, once more, ...

Can you take a look on Markos Botsaris and Talk:Markos Botsaris, sourced material has been removed, the user has broken 3RR (not me this time, surprisingly) and he refuts to WP guidelines, missinterpreting them.Balkanian`s word (talk) 16:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Semi-protection has expired and the game started again, anons attacking as always. Are you going to do something?Balkanian`s word (talk) 19:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Please can you answer me on the five annon war in Markos Botsaris? And by the way, please can you take part in the talk page in my dispute with Kapnisma?Balkanian`s word (talk) 22:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

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Hi Future, how about this edit? Jingby (talk) 06:36, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Do we have now two articles: Aegean Macedonians and Slavic-speakers of Greek Macedonia, or what? Jingby (talk) 06:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Racist

Thank you for confirming that Misplaced Pages is racist against Macedonians, nothing was conducted to punish ΚΕΚΡΩΨ, and there is a reason behind that. Mactruth (talk) 06:43, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Dear

User:Future_Perfect,

According to your words we put again “Eagle’s wing” magazine in the pages of the encyclopedia, yesterday on 26 March with the changes you recommend to us. Surprisingly today it has been deleted again by the administrator: http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Woohookitty. This history it’s about two years going on without any valid reason. As we agreed yesterday, this magazine represents a big Albanian community, in need, which is almost equal with Kosovo population. It represents even the Albanian communities in Kosovo, Montenegro, Macedonia and USA. This is the unique magazine that is used as a reference source for the problems of these communities. And it has more reason to be displayed in the pages of your encyclopedia than being deleted. It makes favors to you encyclopedia because it is widely read. We will put again the material in your pages and we hope to find again your support to avoid its deletion again. Regarding the references sources we will try to fulfill them, following your conditions. Again I repeat you that this is an article widely read and it does a favor to your encyclopedia. Respectfully Xanxari en. March 27, 2009

--Xanxari en. (talk) 11:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, couple of things:

1. Your page still contained a huge lot of unsourced assertions, a good bit of tendentious wording (though not as bad as before), and basically no sourcing whatsoever with respect to the notability of the whole thing. You need independent neutral sources for that, and you need to refer to them in support of every individual piece of information.
2. I haven't checked to what extent the new text was free of copyright violations. Given the past history, this will require some checks. Please keep in mind that it is also not okay to take an existing Albanian text from somewhere else and translate it into English; that's still a copyright violation.
3. The article was still in very poor English.
4. You evidently are associated with that organisation and are here to advocate for it. Please see our guideline on "conflict of interest", regarding legitimate and illegitimate behaviour of editors under such conditions. If your magazine is truly notable, then somebody other than you will certainly want to create an article on it sooner or later. If nobody has felt the need for that yet, maybe that's truly a sign it isn't that notable after all?

In sum, I strongly recommend you should not re-create the page at this point. If you truly feel you can meet the conditions, you are free to create a draft in your own user space (e.g. at User:Xanxari en./Krahu i shqiponjës), and I'll have a look at it later.

By the way, why are your talking of yourself as "we"? Is your account used by more than one person? Please be aware that this is not allowed here. Each user should have their own individual account at all times. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Just chiming in here to say that I am more than willing to help Xanxari en. with the English in his/her draft if they would like. I think the language barrier is playing a major role here. But yes, I deleted it again for the reasons you stated here. --User:Woohookitty 11:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Dear

At first I want to say you that I am from Kosovo and for this reason I have the right to protect an Albanian magazine that has treated the Kosovo problem too. Speaking the Albanian language, I have the right to display this article because an Albanian will put it in the encyclopedia. I have contributed too much in the encyclopedia pages of the Albanian language and I know more than anybody else the Kosovo problem, the Cham problem and other Albanian problems. Being a good connoisseur of these problems I can bring more precise arguments that honor the encyclopedia. My contributions in the English language in this encyclopedia maybe are few for the little time we have collaborated but they are more precise because of my knowledge. I think that in this article I fulfill an emptiness of this encyclopedia for the Cham problem. And I think that the article is really neutral. I can say that are many references sources in the Albanian language for this magazine but they are too little in English, and you see this through Google.

Dear, you say in your page that you speak the German language and you have knowledge in other languages too. As a German speaking person I want to remind you that the Germans are the best albanologs for a hundred year period. I am surprised by the fact that you, as A German, don’t have the power to admit an article from Albania and for sake of the truth you could edit it (where necessary) and this would be in your honor. I don’t know any German who is such a little well-wisher toward the Albanians. This make me suspect that maybe you are not the one you declare. Maybe I am wrong.

Once again I am doing a pray to your conscience to view you attitude toward this article. It’s surprising that you raise too many doubts for such a simple article! I can respond to this fact with a proverb that is said in Kosovo and Albania: “The tree that produces fruits is more hit with stones than the one who doesn’t.” I am saying that you didn’t keep the promise you made me. The writing doesn’t have any conflict of interests, it doesn’t violated the copy right too. I don’t know if there is any conflict of interests if a German writes something about Germany or an English man writes something about Britain.

I don’t want to last this discussion because I think that even though you accept this article you will stimulate another administrator to delete it. However I can tell you that the Cham problem will find a solution even though you stop this article with every kind of justifications. If you have the desire you can edit this article where necessary and this could be a noble action. Waiting for your positive reaction

Respectfully

Xanxari, from Kosovo. --Xanxari en. (talk) 13:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Question

Hi Fut. I noticed that Lord Byron had written that Souliotes were Albanians, in here. I know that Byron is not a RS, but giving the fact that he had known well the region and both Albanians and Greeks, and that he was a friend of Botsaris and later a leader of the Botsaris clan, I wonder if he could be included in the article?Balkanian`s word (talk) 16:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Germany article

You have removed major longterm established content from a FA article without discussion. Be reminded that this violates several Misplaced Pages guidelines and policies. Lear 21 (talk) 19:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

For Chrissake, give it up already. You've had several blocks for stubborn edit-warring. It's patently obvious that you'll soon get another. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

You call Upholding the quality and long-established content of one of most read and highest rated articles edit warring, interesting. So far, your account has not contributed a single argument during several discussions and still you are reverting or deleting. There are many editors and administrators who would not hesitate to call your actions disruptive. Lear 21 (talk) 19:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Then report me. Have fun. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:41, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Please

Can you take a look in Markos Botsaris, there is ], who only reverts with nonsense edit summaries.Balkanian`s word (talk) 20:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

h kanvassismos

ena, dia... BalkanFever 22:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

No different from this, really. By the way, what's with the dodgy Greek? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 14:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Not quite; notification in neutral fora is generally encouraged, individual notification is more problematic. But as long as it's only two or three people it's hardly actionable anyway – we all know that the real canvassing is going on behind the scenes. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:58, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. A few fresh faces on your side of the fence, I see. Still, the opposing side's national talk page is hardly a neutral forum. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 15:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I would be grateful if you could reign in your narcissistic urge to fiddle around with your own postings in multiple updates at least when you are on my talk page. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:44, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Πω πω, νευράκια... ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 15:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully there hasn't been any kind of misunderstanding, but at any rate my response in Greek under his invitation reads: "Thanks for stopping by, but I am no longer active". That's just for the record... On a side note, this bit "...the kind of ideological baggage that Greek people are unfortunately so obsessed with" ! was really uncalled for. Some kind of temporary Furor Germanicus I hope--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 17:07, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Giorgo, but I stand by that statement. Individuality of independent personalities notwithstanding (and you know in what esteem I have you), there is such a thing as collective traits characteristic of a group. And here we have such a one, if there ever was one. There is a certain stance towards the M. issue that is collectively characteristic of the Greek Wikipedian community in general (as the editing disputes of the last years amply demonstrate), just as it is collectively characteristic of the Greek nation as a political body in much the same way (as the political events demonstrate). That such a collective stance exists is, I think, undeniable; that it is best characterised as ideological obsession is my personal well-considered opinion. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

too much of a block

Your block of 85.75.0.0/16 has blocked nearly half of Greece (Otenet) and large parts of US (Virginia, etc), as well as some users in Germany and Switzerland. Maybe it's time to unblock this range and only block more specific IPs? Fotisaros (talk) 23:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

A /16 block is effectively blocking 65,534 ips. This seems like more of victory for the vandal than it does for Misplaced Pages. Chillum 23:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I wasn't aware it was also blocking IPs outside Greece. From the Whois entries I thought it was all OTENet. Have there been concrete reports of collateral damage?

The alternative is for me to routinely semiprotect every page I edit – preemptively, even before the vandal strikes. At this point, I am no longer even willing to wait till he does; it's become too much of a nuisance. Blocking single IPs has no effect at all, he can hop from one to the next within a minute. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:18, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me, did you just say above that you deliberately blocked the largest Greek internet provider, coincidentally just at the same time when a poll is running where Greek people are likely to vote against your opinion?--Avg (talk) 02:53, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

It's a soft-block on anonymous users. Anon IPs don't vote in polls, so it makes no difference to that case. It's because of a particularly nasty vandal, it's been in place on and off, for quite a while, without any reports of serious collateral damage that I'm aware of. There's never been much constructive anon editing from that range anyway; most non-logged-in activity from there has always been just vandalism. And if you really think harm is being done, go and tell that to the vandal (you know who). He is harming fellow Greek users, not I. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Who is it? Not all of us have a penchant for IT forensics. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 14:53, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Former Walnutjk (talk · contribs) (see e.g. Special:Contributions/85.75.162.84) Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:56, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Greek genocide - the other sources check

You had said:

..."As for the other sources, the real ones, I'm only slowly picking up on them. I have neither much time nor easy technical access to most of this material; given the tendency of tendentious and distorting quotation I've witnessed here (see Levene, for the umpteenth time), I'm not willing to give any premature comment or endorsement to any contention based on mere lists of names"

That was more than 2 weeks ago. Please define "slowly". NikoSilver 01:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

A certain other case has been forcing me to direct my attention to dealing with argumentative smokescreens elsewhere, so I'm afraid I haven't got much energy left for that one right now. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:53, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Bothering you agian

Sorry for bothering you again, but I think you have to see Talk:Markos Botsaris, an ongoing discussion, which in my opinion is just references against assumptions. Can I have your opinion in the last comments in there? Thanks, Balkanian`s word (talk) 14:18, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Muscovite evading block again

At Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Muscovite99_evading_block, you blocked Muscovite99 a further 2 months for evading a block he was currently under. An IP editor has now made the same edits that were made (edit here). This edit was made by Special:Contributions/62.118.179.114, and it should be noted that he was also found to be socking on ruwiki (ru:Википедия:Заявки_на_арбитраж/Muscovite99) with 62.118.179.117 and 62.118.179.115. A further block, if not indef, is now in order here I think? --Russavia 20:06, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Your blocking of DJ Bungi

I only know his food images, but your accusation of him violating copy right on the images is wrong. I left my rationale on Commons, so lease compare the image "carefully" and lift his block.--Caspian blue 20:10, 28 March 2009 (UTC)