Talk:Estonian Internal Security Service

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Teinonen is not a reliable source

Teinonen is not a reliable source in this matter (or most others). He is not known for his detailed scholarly assessment; he's known for his approval of Nazi policies.

There have been some pretty colourful dudes in Estonian scout movement. Perhaps it's regrettable that Teinonen doesn't eat cats, just pigs -- if he did, he might be as notable as Asso Kommer. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 17:45, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Teinonen's case has received coverage in reliable sources (such as the ones I used in my edit.) Remember: verifiability, not truth. Offliner (talk) 17:59, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Pretty much every of your sources characterizes him as a Neo-Nazi, yet you somehow failed to mention this in your summary. Why? Colchicum (talk) 18:03, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

If you think it's relevant, you are free to add it to the article. Offliner (talk) 18:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Removed from article for time being

I've removed the section from the article, for the time being. Teinonen is somewhat notable after looking at Google, and his blog can be used as a source for his opinion, particularly as this opinion arises from the charges which have been levelled against him. I'm not saying one thing or the other, whether I agree with him or not, because I don't have an opinion on the matter, but his opinion as written was a little undue and without context. It needs to be shortened a lot. Also, it is a WP:BLP violation to claim that a person is a Neo-Nazi as a matter of fact, but it should be mentioned that he was charged for blah blah blah, and attribute the opinion that way. --Russavia 19:09, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree. My initial version was indeed a bit too long. It still needs refinement. Offliner (talk) 19:12, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

For a taste of Teinonen's opinions, the first article about him on Google is an interview headlined "Teinonen: National Socialism had many good sides". He's notorious, not notable. I find it hard to believe that anybody but another neo-Nazi would seriously consider adding Teinonen's opinion about police onto Misplaced Pages would be a good idea. Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 19:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I would very clearly direct you towards your own Arbcom at Misplaced Pages:DIGWUREN#Editors_warned which states "All editors are warned that future attempts to use Misplaced Pages as a battleground—in particular, by making generalized accusations that persons of a particular national or ethnic group are engaged in Holocaust denial or harbor Nazi sympathies—may result in the imposition of summary bans when the matter is reported to the Committee. This applies both to the parties to this case as well as to any other editor that may choose to engage in such conduct." I would urge you to be very, very careful in even thinly veiled accusations at myself or any other editor being a Neo-Nazi or anything else; especially when that is further from the truth, and particularly when members of my own family died fighting that scourge. Would you like to refactor your comments? --Russavia 19:21, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

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