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The cast included some of the greatest voice actors ever:

Can anyone think of a NPOV way to re-write this? --John Lynch 09:22, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I think I can :p just changed the sentence to ...included a number of renowned voice actors -- Ferkelparade 08:49, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Section on Father Abraham ??

I think there should be a section on the popular "Father Abraham and the Smurfs" records that were released in late '79 early '80 ? --Sf 12:01, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Porno popups?

Can someone using IE or another browser that shows unrequested pop-ups check whether any of the external links pop up porno banners, or something? An anon claimed that she saw something like that happening, but I haven't been able to reproduce it.--Eloquence*

Communism?

This article ought to include some treatment of the common allegation that the Smurfs were communists. See for a good example with some evidence. Personally, I don't believe that the Smurfs were intentionally designed by Peyo to be communists, but I do think that he held left-wing values which ended up being expressed in the Smurf world. I read all the original Smurf comics when I was a kid, and I distinctly remember that they explicitly disparaged money and greed. Also, the Smurfs were constantly exhorted to work for the good of the community, and many clearly moralistic plotlines involved one of the Smurfs shirking his duties and disaster resulting. --Redquark 23:31, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

license of smurf logo

Are we allowed to use the Smurf logo? Surely it must be trademarked/copyrighted to someone? -- 202.154.105.13 00:28, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Story comments, for consideration and possible inclusion:

-An episode of the cartoon show revealed that Gargamel's hatred for the Smurfs began when he suffered an accident while still a student of magic, and believed a Smurf had caused it. In reality, it was caused by his own older self, who had traveled back in time.

-Smurfette was created by Gargamel, using a magic formula, as one of his traps for the Smurfs; originally, she was ugly and evil, but was later "purified" by Papa Smurf. Sassette was created by the "Kid Smurfs" using the same formula.

-The show created many original characters, including Laconia, a fairy who had lost her voice, and had to communicate by sign language. Obviously, she was introduced to create awareness of deafness among children. -Wilfredo Martinez

Smurf Blue

Smurfs are either blue because of skin pigmentation, blood color, or because they're little tiny Picts (though I can't exactly see them drinking from the skulls of butterflies). If their blood is blue, they can't be using red hemoglobin. Since silver tarnishes bluish, my guess is that their blood is silver-based. This could make them valuable ingredients for Gargamel's magic, or to sell. (This train of thought was inspired by the question "what color does a Smurf turn when you choke it?") --BlueNight

Since silver tarnishes bluish, my guess is that their blood is silver-based.

No, silver and oxygen turn black, copper makes blue blood, see hemocyanin.

what color does a Smurf turn when you choke it

Depriving a Smurf (and its blood) from oxygen will turn it and its blood colorless (white). MH 16:58, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)

Smurf Emmys

The Smurfs cartoon series one a number of Emmy awards. Would anyone like to help me compile a list of nominations and wins? :) --b. Touch 01:19, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

This is a common misperception (perhaps spun by NBC public relations) The Smurfs were nominated multiple times for Emmys, but they never won. - this correction is based on a search of the . Bwithh 16:06, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

what about the whole comics universe?

the smurfs universe extends way past just cartoons! there were dozens of bande desinees about smurfs! (see: Franco-Belgian_comics)

Smurf war

About the comment that a war broke out on whether "smurf" should be used as a verb or a noun. As I recall it, from a swedish translation of the comics, the war broke out due to an argument if smurf should be a replacement for the first or second compound of a word, i.e. if a "sledgehammer" should be a "sledgesmurfer" or a "smurfhammer" etc...

The word Smurf

Is the word "Smurf" originally english, dutch or scandinavian? It's found in english, dutch and swedish, but it's unlike french Schtroumpf or german Schlumpf... When I look at old comics, I find that dutch used the word in 1969, and Sweden in 1975, so I begin to think it's a dutch word?

I looked at the Dutch page, and it seems the word "Smurf" originally was Flemish.

As I've added to the page, 'Smurf' is originally the Dutch name for les Schtroumpfs. The first appearance of Smurf is exactly as old as the first appearance of Schtroumpf, as the French magazine Spirou and the Dutch translation Robbedoes appeared simultaneously (and still do, by the way). Flemish and Dutch are basically the same, certainly when written (I'm Flemish). Fram 11:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

anti-seminist and communist

There also have been allegations, correct or not, that the Smurfs were an allegory of capitalism and communism: the Smurfs, with their lack of any form of money, sharing of all goods and services, and their basic egalitarian ideals, are said to represent the ideal communist society, while their hated nemesis Gargamel, who plots to catch them and use them to turn base metals into gold, is said to represent capitalism at its worst.

Along the lines of allegations of the Smurfs being Communist were also claims about hidden anti-semitic propaganda in the show. According to believers of this notion, Gargamel was "dressed" to appear Jewish and his cat, Azrael, portrayed American Government as a puppet in the hands of the Jews. Azrael's name also sounds like "Israel", which adds a connotation.

I have removed these because I believe them to be original research. They can be restored if they are backed up. Saying "claims" and "allegations" doesnt cut it. Need specific names of people, publications and dates, or links to online citations. Stbalbach 01:30, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

"smurf" when he should have said "smurf" ???

I'm confused. Is this a typo? Stbalbach 21:49, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

No, it's real. It happened in a Smurf comic book, but I forget which one. Gargamel said something with "smurf" in it, and the reply he got was something like "It's smurf, not smurf, you idiot!". It was supposed to show that only real Smurfs know which "smurf" means what. — JIP | Talk 19:24, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't know if it was Gargamel, but I remember that when Johan and Peewit first met the Smurfs, Peewit tried to communicate, but ended up using the wrong "Smurf" all the time. The language must contain very subtle nuances... =P

"Schtroumpf" is an invented word.

Sorry, I don't quite understand this. The article says that "Schtroumpf" means "salt" and also that it is an invented word. So which is it?--Fito 19:04, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

You haven't understood the secion properly. " "Schtroumpf" is an invented word. According to an interview with Peyo, the word came to him as he asked a friend for salt during lunch and, struggling to find the word that eluded him finally managed to say "passe-moi le schtroumpf" (pass me the salt)". I.e. Peyo lost the word for salt, during a momentarily brain lapse, and just came up with a nonsense word while he was speaking. The real French translation for salt is "(le) sel", thus "passe-moi le sel", I don't know if the section needs rewriting.

Obviously, yes.

All this smurfy smurfing and no mention of Gargamel's cat?

Poor, poor kitty. Left out of the Misplaced Pages. Azrael would be rather ticked off to know he/she has been left out! I added the link there to the Smurfs. OK, there's a line on List_of_fictional_cats, but that's it.

Satanic smurfs? How crazy is too crazy for the wiki?

I just happened to surf (or should I say smurf?) on this article while browsing through the wiki, and, well, I have to say that the part about "Satanic rumors" is just plain absurd. I know we're supposed to cover the weirdest viewpoints, but this is really pushing it. A bit like devoting a few paragraphs in the article about the Moon to the question of where it is made out of cheese... -- Mihnea Tudoreanu 20:45, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

It was a real rumor. My sister was told at CCD that Papa Smurf used pentagrams and played checkers with wizards, ergo he was New Age therefore Satanic. She thought this was nuts and it was never stated by any priest we had. It did exist though.--T. Anthony 16:21, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

The fact that it was a real rumor makes it worthy of mention. It's part of the entire social impact that the Smurfs had. Anthopos 20:22, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Caption

Regarding the caption for the illustration of Papa Smurf and Smurfette:

Papa Smurf Says, "They're All Pink Inside."

Is that for real? It sounds kind of off-color to me. -- Coneslayer 21:55, 2005 July 19 (UTC)

It appeared to be vandalism. I've reverted it. Best, Meelar (talk) 21:57, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

It's back, reverting now. Good fodder for BJAODN, though. Karmafist 18:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Smurfette Runs Pub

Smurfette being the only female Smurf would be running a pub I know where mostly men show up, except the good looking female bartender manager.

Smurf Height

Here is written they are 15cm tall. If you see the smurfs walking through Gargamel's house, standing next to Gargamel's feet, being hunted by his cat, standing next to other animals, they look MUCH shorter to me than 15cm. 213.119.9.126 10:34, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Their height was very inconsistent, which is oddly consistent with the kind of fairy tale style they were going for. In tall tales and fairy tales characters become whatever heighth is needed for the story without any explanation. Hence they were described as three apples tall, and when needed they maybe were that tall, but much of the time they were as small as ten centimeters. Although they usually weren't smaller insects. Also a toon's world is not always the same in proportions.--T. Anthony 08:26, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

The only apple that makes sense in measuring smurfs is the crab apple, which is at most (according to the page) 4cm (in the wild), ~1.57", tall, making smurfs ~12cm (~4.7", 3x1.57") tall. -Eep² 15:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Music at Mother Nature's home

From which classical piece is the melody, which is always heard, when the smurfs are at Mother Nature's house? 84.170.138.102 18:52, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Smurfs Music Video

Visit it at ]. User:Kathywimmer 09:37, November 25 2005 (Pacific)

:That's just nonsense. I'm searching for the original theme at Mother Nature's home.

Do smurfs advocate safe sex?

It's always been a running joke that smurfs advocate safe sex. (yknow... their caps). Maybe we shld include a tongue-in-cheek section about that.

As long as we're along that line. Anyone has any idea how smurfs reproduce? I mean. There's only 1 female smurf...... baaaaaad cartoon.

The Smurfs actually do advocate safe sex, a crwaing of a Smurf hat shaped condom has been used in a safesex campaign in Belgium. Apart from that, Misplaced Pages is supposed to be an encyclopedia and tnogue-in-cheek sections (and own research and so on) are not such a good idea, so I think it's better to leave it out of it. Fram 12:03, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Really, I read that in a BD once, but I thought that was just a silly joke. 85.226.122.205 23:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

antagonist names

an editor added that "all antagonist names were jewish (such as) gargamel and azrael". a few antagonist names are not jewish as far as i can tell -- nemesis, agatha, clorohydress -- so the insertion is false. i don't know whether gargamel or azrael are, but i've removed the line until there's some evidence of this. Justforasecond 16:34, 22 January 2006 (UTC)