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WeijiBaikeBianji

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning WeijiBaikeBianji

User requesting enforcement

Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 10:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

WeijiBaikeBianji (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated

Misplaced Pages:ARBR&I#Advocacy, Misplaced Pages:ARBR&I#Correct_use_of_sources, Misplaced Pages:ARBR&I#Editors_reminded_and_discretionary_sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. WeijiBaikeBianji renames four articles in this topic area, replacing the direct connection to intelligence in the titles with an indirect one to IQ, without discussing this first. Less than an hour later, he suggests here that the Race and intelligence article be renamed to something similar "for parallelism with other subarticles of intelligence quotient" when the only reason this proposed name is parallel to the other articles is because he’d just unilaterally renamed them all. When I mention Fertility and intelligence (in this comment ) as one article that isn’t parallel to his proposed rename, he immediately renames that one also.
2. WeijiBaikeBianji renames Race and genetics to "Genetics and the decline of race", again without any discussion. When this was subsequently discussed on the article talk page here, five editors (me, Muntuwandi, Victor Chmara, Moxy, and Dbachmann) agreed that the new title was inappropriate and/or non-neutral. Dbachmann, an administrator, referred to this move as "a rather crude example of pov-pushing by article title."
3. Three examples of WeijiBaikeBianji selectively removing external links from BLP articles (the third diff is him reinstating his edit when it was reverted, without first attempting to resolve this on the discussion page). Some of the links that he removed may have not belonged there, but the problem with these edits is that they removed all of the links to articles and pages describing these researchers positively, keeping only those which were critical of them. This involved keeping the links to negative articles about these living people that were just as irrelevant as the positive ones he’d removed. In both cases, a neutral editor (Maunus) subsequently removed the critical links that WeijiBaikeBianji had kept or added, agreeing with me that they weren’t relevant either:
4. Two examples of WeijiBaikeBianji removing links to other Misplaced Pages articles because they weren’t consistent with changes he was intending to make to those articles in the future. This isn’t advocacy, but it’s article ownership:  other people’s edits to these articles should not be rejected only because they aren’t consistent with WeijiBaikeBianji’s plans.
5. The first edit is an example of WeijiBaikeBianji removing content from an article based on what he apparently considers a misrepresentation of the one of its three sources, along with not being able to verify the other two sources. The wording that he replaced it with is non-neutral and puts the word "race" in scare quotes, even though this is not done in either the article title or any of the sources being cited. The second example is of him restoring content that someone else removed, which contained original research that was not supported by any of the sources being cited, and which also cited Misplaced Pages itself as a source. The issues with the material WeijiBaikeBianji reinstated were discussed here. I’m including these edits alongside one another because I think it’s important to compare WeijiBaikeBianji’s standards for material that supports his point of view with his standards for material that doesn't. If article content disagrees with his point of view, he’ll remove it based on very subtle sourcing issues or his inability to verify its sources, but if material supports his point of view, he’ll reinstate it when it’s removed by others even if it involves circular citations and obvious original research.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

None yet as far as I know, although multiple editors (including admins in some cases) have expressed concern about the neutrality of his edits on article talk pages. See the discussion about his rename of the Race and genetics article for an example. He's also previously reminded other editors that the articles are subject to discretionary sanctions (for example: ) so he’s obviously already aware of this.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

I’m posting about this here because I think these things need attention via the discretionary sanctions, so it probably should be up to admins to decide what course of action is appropriate. Since WeijiBaikeBianji has not yet been formally warned about his behavior, I’m not convinced that a block or topic ban is necessary yet, and I’d consider it an acceptable result if admins were to decide that a warning and/or probation is enough. WeijiBaikeBianji probably has the potential to contribute to these articles productively if he could learn to be less aggressive about advocating his point of view, and not keep engaging in article ownership behavior. But since he doesn’t seem to be learning this on his own, I think admins need to do something to help him learn it.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I should point out that I’m currently topic banned from these articles, although not because of any misconduct on my part - it’s because of the close connection between my account and that of an editor who was topic banned as a result of the arbitration case. However, both the admin who topic banned me and one of the arbitrators have told me that even while I was topic banned, it would be acceptable for me to post about it here if I felt that there was editor behavior on these articles that needed attention via the discretionary sanctions. There are several other examples of behavior from WeijiBaikeBianji that I think demonstrate advocacy and article ownership, but I’ve only provided a sampling of the behavior from him that I think makes this clearest. Since what matters here is the general behavior rather than the specific examples, it’s important that this thread not get sidetracked by discussing individual content issues. When advocacy is the one of behavioral problems being discussed, it becomes necessary to provide examples of the editor in question inserting or reinstating non-neutral content, but the discussion still needs to be about the editor behavior rather than the content itself.

Update 10/23:

Ok, now that the admin who topic banned me has stated that his topic ban does not extend to preventing me from posting here, I hope we can discuss the merits of this thread itself. I was initially reluctant to contact the other people who’ve been involved in this dispute because I was afraid someone would claim doing this was canvassing, but now that WeijiBaikeBianji is complaining about the fact that I haven’t done so, I’ve gone ahead with it.

Additionally, I should point out that while it was somewhat understandable for the admins who initially commented here to be unfamiliar with this situation and to not realize that my topic ban allowed for this thread, Weiji is familiar with me and with the situation. Since his comment points out that some of the discussion has been taking place in the user talk of these admins, which is where I was attempting to explain this to them, he’s obviously seen my explanation of being given permission to post this thread and there’s no way he could be unaware of this. It seems very disingenuous to me that he would be expressing blanket agreement with the uninformed opinion that this thread should be disregarded because I'm topic banned, despite knowing full well that my topic ban was not intended to prevent this.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning WeijiBaikeBianji

Statement by WeijiBaikeBianji

I thank Ferahgo the Assassin for her timely notification of this request for enforcement on my user talk page. I agree with uninvolved editors Looie496, Angus McLellan, and T. Canens in their analysis of and recommended disposition for this request. I note for the record that the request for enforcement was not accompanied by notice to any of the other involved editors, whether or not they were named or referred to without naming in the request. (I also note that some of the discussion of this request is occurring away from here, on the talk pages of some of the uninvolved editors who have responded.) I think all those uninvolved editors are Misplaced Pages community administrators and that they have said all that needs to be said about this request. On my part, I will go back to article content editing because I am here to build an encyclopedia and have plenty of volunteer work to do without being bogged down in pettifogging.

Thank you to everyone for your time and effort in commenting here. Your comments are helpful to me for better understanding how to collaborate with other editors, whether new or experienced, in making sourced edits to article content on topics that continue to be controversial both on- and off-wiki. I have notified a few other editors who are familiar with the thread(s) named in the request for arbitration enforcement that this discussion is going on. One has already kindly told me by user talk page comment that he feels he hasn't observed enough of my editorial behavior to comment one way or the other. I am taking all comments here to heart. In all cases in which edits may be controversial or subject to more than one behavioral interpretation, we can all discuss with one another on the article talk pages (and my user talk page is always open for comments) how to understand one another. As before, all of you are especially welcome to recommend sources about human intelligence or about human biology for the shared source lists. Looking up sources is very enjoyable and a great way to improve Misplaced Pages articles. I'm happy to do source citation typing and verification so that all wikipedians can uphold core Misplaced Pages policies and build an encyclopedia together.

Comments by others about the request concerning WeijiBaikeBianji

• Were I uninvolved - I probably am, but better to err on the side of caution - I'd endorse Looie's comment. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:50, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

• I was told specifically by an arbitrator that doing this is not a problem if I believed someone's editing behavior needs attention via the discretionary sanctions. I was told this is only a problem if I file an excessive number of these, and this is my first (possibly only) one. Additionally, my topic ban specifically allows this, since I was told by the admin who topic banned me that this would be acceptable. When I appealed my topic ban to him in his user talk, saying that whatever decision he makes should address the problems with the editing environment that are unrelated to me, he told me "You are still free to request sanction of those other editors at arbitration enforcement; at least then one decision or another will be made." -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 22:24, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I would also like people who think I’m doing something wrong by posting about this here to read this exchange. Not only was I given permission to post here by the admin who topic banned me, but I was given permission specifically in response to requesting admin attention for the same behavior I’m reporting here, including most of the same examples/diffs.

If I actually am doing something wrong by making this report, then there’s a serious problem here with contradictory messages from admins. Since I was given permission to post here about this exact thing, I don't see how anyone could have expected me to predict that posting about it would be regarded as abusing that permission. -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 00:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

• I've only done minimal editing in this area, but I could not help notice that unilateral moves to a POV title like that performed by WeijiBaikeBianji "Genetics and the decline of race" (a month ago, and soon reverted) cannot be constructive. Mind you, I also disagree with the naming (and scope) of Lewontin's Fallacy; POV titles aren't helpful either way. Tijfo098 (talk) 23:39, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• WeijiBaikeBianji also supported the use of an extreme source, Steven Rose, in the lead of Heritability of IQ, . Rose commits errors of omission, for instance failing to say that heritability may or may not depend on the environment; for some genes it does but for some it doesn't. His paper has only 3 citations, so it's hardly the mainstream view, but nevertheless WeijiBaikeBianji supports citing in verbatim in the lead of an article. (Based on his biased premises, which are cited in the Misplaced Pages article, Rose concludes in his paper that heritability is a useless measure for any purpose. The only English source that found worthwhile to cite Rose's paper so far, only used it to support this sentence: "Heritability calculations are often indirect and involve simplified models of genetic versus non-genetic contributors ". By the way, a 2009 Nature paper that is obviously at odds with Rose's conclusions somehow garnered 272 citations already. I wonder why...) Tijfo098 (talk) 00:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it can convincingly be shown by reliable sources that Steven Rose is more extreme or makes more errors than other of the scholars used to defend the high heritability estimates such as Rushton, Jensen and Lynn. In fact I think the inclusion of Rose as a source would be a good move towards bringing some balance into the use of sources in those articles.·Maunus·ƛ· 16:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm new to wiki as a whole, but I read the article concerning race and intelligence and found that one edited passages concerning Richard Lynn. The edit debated Lynn's work with sources that never directly mentioned Lynn. and the discussion on the talk:

I reverted the passage back to the way it was beforehand, but WeijiBaikeBianji reverted back to the synthesized, not properly sourced edit. He stated that it was okay, but he didn't even address that it wasn't synthesis of sources that never mentioned Lynn.

By reading more into it, the only reason I could see for this is if WeijiBaikeBianji felt this synthesized paragraph supported his own beliefs. I can't be sure of anything, it just doesn't add up for me to see why someone wouldn't acknowledge the clearly sloppy style of the passage I mentioned.-SightWatcher (talk) 02:25, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments by Mathsci

• From what has been said by the three administrators that have commented above and below (Looie, Angus McLellan, and Timotheus Canens), the evidence presented does not show any need for enforcement (no edit warring, personal attacks, etc).

• NuclearWarfare (talk · contribs · former admin: blocks · protections · deletions · rights · meta · local rights) is currently (temporarily and voluntarily since Oct 12 ) not an administrator so strictly speaking should probably have placed his comment outside the "uninvolved administrators" section below. His topic ban on Ferahgo the Assassin still stands, but he is temporarily not an administrator.

• Ferhago the Assassin's most recent edits at the moment do not seem to be compatible with her topic ban. After getting the statements by the three uninvolved admimistrators—apparently not to her satisfaction—she canvassed a hand-picked set of editors of the articles from which she is topic-banned concerning this enforcement request. Presumably Ferahgo the Assassin was aided in the selection by Captain Occam. Far from staying away from this topic, the pair of them have sought out loopholes and possible inconsistencies between statements of administrators in order to continue the WP:BATTLE that Captain Occam was fighting "tooth and nail" (to quote Shell Kinney) against his perceived opponents at the close of arbitration. This has been been going on for over two months. The topic ban of Ferahgo the Assasin was imposed on October 10th, when she made her request to submit here. She waited two weeks to submit. At that time two of the users she canvassed had not even made their first edits on wikipedia, one appearing on October 12th and the other on October 17th ; a third is still the subject of a sock puppet investigation. Captain Occam and Ferahgo the Assassin must be completely aware that this type of canvassing is disruptive—it looks like an attempt to "fix the jury"—and is a serious violation of their joint topic ban (per WP:SHARE), no matter what new excuses they present to justify themselves. Enough is enough: at this juncture one or both of them should now be subject to WP:ARBR&I#Enforcement. Mathsci (talk) 06:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Additional comments by Mathsci

Ferahgo the Assassin seems to have misunderstood what is entailed in topic bans, both for herself and others, She has been discussing directly in great detail the content of articles related to Race and intelligence, how they have been edited and who edits them. Common sense should have told her that that is exactly what her topic ban is to prevent her doing. Per WP:SHARE, the presumption now is also that these matters and indeed her general strategy here were decided jointly with Captain Occam, and that she is also speaking on his behalf. To suggest otherwise, after statements to this effect by multiple arbitrators, is unrealistic.

My topic ban applies only to articles and their talk pages, not to wikipedia processes. I do not discuss at all the content of articles, nor by whom or how they are edited. Ferahgo the Assassin on the other hand has been doing just that and in addition devoting her energies to lobbying multiple administrators. She has yet again suggested that the reason for this request—her wish for the subject of this request to be topic-banned—is to correct the "imbalance" resulting from the topic bans on editors like her and Captain Occam.

So far every administrator approached by Ferahgo the Assassin has told her that this request was misjudged. The best advice that can be given now is simply to withdraw the request, as she may, without prejudice. Mathsci (talk) 06:04, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Mathsci, you are currently topic banned from race & intelligence issues and since this thread has nothing to do with you, you should not be posting here. I asked for and was granted permission to post this thread from both the admin who topic banned me and one of the arbitrators. As was pointed out by T. Canens and Angus McLellan, my discussing this here would be a violation of my topic ban if I had not been given this permission. Because you have been granted no such permission, your posting here primarily to voice accusations against me is both a violation of your topic ban and a clear disregard for NW's request that editors here comment on the content of the thread, not on the legitimacy of its posting.

As I stated above, I contacted the group of users who I did specifically in response to WeijiBaikeBianji’s complaint that I had not contacted any of the other users involved in the disputes I was posting about. If WBB had not expressed a preference that I do this, I would not have done so, and what I did was contact every user who was involved in these disputes - nothing more, and nothing less. Other than WeijiBaikeBianji himself, Victor Chmara was the main person involved in the dispute over WBB’s undiscussed renames in the first two examples I provided, Maunus was the main other person involved in the dispute over WBB’s selective removal of links from BLP articles in my third example, the fourth example involved one dispute between WBB and Woodsrock and another between him and Miradre, and the fifth involved one dispute between him and me and another between him and Sightwatcher. Those are the five people who I contacted. There are a lot of users I could have contacted who were only marginally involved in these disputes but who still would have most likely agreed with me, such as Dbachmann (who accused WBB of POV-pushing in response to his undiscussed rename of the Race and genetics article) and TrevelyanL85A2 (who agreed with SightWatcher that the material WBB reinstated in my fifth example was original research). But because both of them were not the main players in these disputes, I assumed that WeijiBaikeBianji’s preference that I contact the other involved editors did not extend to them also. The group of editors who I contacted is, as far as I know, exactly the group of editors whom WBB had a desire for me to contact.

Really, your near-constant assumption of bad faith - even about the specific effort I was making to comply with WBB’s wishes regarding this request - is a pretty good example of the behavior for which you were topic banned. I notice you’re also misrepresenting the opinions of the admins who’ve commented thus far. Contrary to your claim that they think that "the evidence presented does not show any need for enforcement", none of them have yet expressed an opinion at all about whether the evidence I’ve presented is actionable under the discretionary sanctions. The only thing they’ve commented on is whether I’m within my rights by posting this thread. But now that NW has pointed out that my topic ban allows me to post here, presumably they’ll at this point they’ll be making a decision about whether it’s worth taking action about the content of this thread, including the fact that you’ve gotten involved in it. -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 11:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Comment by Muntuwandi

My understanding is that Arbitration proceedings are the last stop in dispute resolution. Arbitration requests are accepted when the other available forums for dispute resolution such as talk pages, user talk pages and noticeboards, have been exhausted. Looking at the evidence presented by Ferahgo, I see little evidence that normal discussions on talk pages have failed to resolve some of the concerns about a few of Weiji's edits. In fact many of the edits cited by Ferahgo are becoming stale. For example, according to the revision history of the Richard Lynn article, Weiji's last edit was on the 1st of October, more than three weeks ago. Talk:Richard Lynn has also been stale since about the same time. Ferahgo's evidence relies heavily on content issues, but I see very little evidence of specific conduct issues, such as violating the 3RR, engaging in low grade edit warring or disruptively editing against consensus. I haven't agreed with all of Weiji's edits, for example I didn't agree with moving the race and genetics article, but Weiji did explain his rationale stating that there is a Britannica article The decline of “race” in science. To summarize, I believe that Ferahgo the Assassin and or Captain Occam are once again trying to circumvent their topic ban by exploiting a loophole. Since filing topic ban requests is strictly speaking not within the scope of their topic ban, it would appear that they are using this request as a means of continuing their content battles. Weiji's is a relative newcomer to Misplaced Pages. Concerns about Weiji's edits should first be addressed on talk pages and only if these discussions fail, should these concerns be escalated to other places. At present their is little evidence that normal discussions have failed to resolve these issues. The real problem here is Captain Occam and his continued gamesmanship. At some stage a software restriction may be necessary to put an end to this endless drama Wapondaponda (talk) 10:47, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Additional comments by Muntuwandi I think there is too much wikilawyering. Captain Occam and Ferahgo are topic banned from race and intelligence matters broadly construed. Since they are subject to Arbcom remedies, it is reasonable and expected that they can file Arbcom requests, especially if an arbcom request concerns their remedies. Topic bans are enforced by the community, and what constitutes a topic is a subjective decision. The boundaries of a topic are also subjective. However the topic bans are broadly construed to prevent gaming. It is the spirit of the topic ban, not the "letter of the law" that is important. In this case, Ferahgo and or Captain Occam have filed a request that does not have much in terms of specific conduct or procedural problems, but instead is filled with content jargon. In general it is appropriate for Occam and Ferahgo to file Arbcom requests, but it is inappropriate for Occam and Ferahgo to use this privilege as a means to get around their topic ban. I am concerned about Captain Occam/Ferahgo's pattern of canvassing, particularly because this strategy seems to work. It may be psychological, but whenever an editor asks another editor to comment on a matter, the comments tend to be favorable. Some editors avoid this tendency, which is commendable, but many don't. These are

• Captain Occam's user talk page contributions
• Ferahgo's user talk page contributions

There is a lot of canvassing going on, including trying to canvass Jimbo Wales. All but two of Ferahgo's user contributions are related to race and intelligence matters. Wapondaponda (talk) 20:42, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

This is arbitration enforcement, not a request for arbitration. Look at the other requests on this page - when discretionary sanctions have been authorized on an article by an existing arbcom ruling, this is the place to bring editor behavior to admin attention when one thinks that’s needed. I have also been told by both several admins and one of the arbitrators that if there was editor behavior on these articles which needed admin attention, this was where I should bring it up.

Are you ever going to do more on these articles than try to drive away the editors who disagree with you? Since the end of the arbcom case, this has been the near-exclusive purpose of your participation here. You’re not even being subtle about it, with your explicit advocacy of software restrictions. I had hoped that you'd drop this attitude when you finally managed to get me topic banned, after more than a month of your involvement here being exclusively focused on me, but nope - during the two weeks after my topic ban, all but one of your contributions in this topic area have been devoted to getting rid of Miradre next. In the past two months, you’ve only made one content edit on any of these articles that wasn’t a revert, and that was directly in response to Maunus pressuring you about it. -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 11:48, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

The Britannica article (on race; there's no article with the title you claim, that's just a section in the race article) is written by anthropologist Audrey Smedley who adopts a Lewontian POV; Smedley cites Lewontin, but no other geneticists. See Lewontin's Fallacy for what other equally distinguished geneticists think. Smedley completely ignores, either willingly or by shear ignorance, any post-2000 developments in genetics. Articles like that is why Britannica is hopeless. Tijfo098 (talk) 12:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Noah Rosenberg's Genetic structure of human populations (Science, 2002) has over 1000 citations today. Rosenberg's paper was the proximate trigger of A.W.F. Edwards' position paper titled Lewontin's Fallacy. Something from Watson comes to my mind about "has-beens" writing the Britannica articles. Tijfo098 (talk) 12:31, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Even though I agree, let's not focus too much on content here. The relevant issue is whether these behaviors from Weiji are a problem from a conduct perspective. -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 12:41, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments by Maunus

I do think that WeijiBaikeBianji has had some moments of bad judgment - but generally he is one of the editors that are willing to listen to all other editors and consider statements backed by sources. I don't think that this petition should be considered, especially not since the editor making it is not directly affected by WeijiBaikeBianji's behaviour as she currently is not allowed to edit in the area. If editors that actually are interacting with WeijiBaikeBianji agree with Ferahgo's judgement then they can and should start an RfC or arbitrartion enforcement case. Ferahgo doesn't need to act as protector of other editors' interests in the area that she is no longer editing - I am sure everyone there is capable of taking steps to resolve their own disputes with out help from previous participants.·Maunus·ƛ· 15:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

As an editor who’s been involved in these articles recently, I agree that some of WeijiBaikeBianji’s behavior seems problematic and I would like it to receive some attention from admins. I might have tried to get admin attention for it myself, but I know little about how to deal with such matters, and didn't want to cause a fuss. I would have remained silent on it, but seeing as others who have been here longer are voicing opinions against him I thought I'd toss in my two cent.

Since this thread is about an issue I would have wanted to bring up if I’d known how to, I don’t think admins should discount it just because of who it was posted by. -SightWatcher (talk) 23:48, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

since my name has been mentioned, and since WBB asked my to comment, I will say this: I agree with Maunus' assessment of the situation. I certainly do not always agree with WBB, and sometimes their judgement may be off. But there is no doubt that this is a good faith editor who is trying to collaborate with other Wikipedians. There is no need for this bureaucratic attempt to clamp down on WBB. If WBB should be out of line at some point, it will be more than enough to get an admin to issue a warning or a short block, and I have no doubt that the user will be mature and considerate enough to react to such measures. This page here, otoh, is just an attempt to resolve content disputes by wikilawyering. --dab (𒁳) 07:39, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

A warning for WBB is all that I’m looking for here. I already stated in my initial report that I don’t think a topic ban is necessary, because I think he’s capable of contributing to these articles constructively if admins could point him in the right direction about it. It’s unfortunate that so many people here are reacting to this thread as though I were devoted to getting WBB topic banned, when I’ve already stated that isn’t my intention. If this thread could be closed with a warning for WBB and nothing else, I would be satisfied that it’s accomplished its purpose. -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 08:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I think he has received enough feedback here already. I'm not sure what a formal warning would achieve. I've certainly seen more strong-headed editors who aren't sanctioned in any way. Tijfo098 (talk) 09:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

• I have to say after having told Ferhago that necessary reports were permitted, this is disappointing. This request focuses on content rather than any behavioral issues, which is clearly inappropriate both as a request and for someone who's topic banned. Additionally, canvassing isn't an appropriate way to handle these reports, and canvassing brand new accounts is remarkably suspicious. I hope that Ferhago takes everyone's advice here and stops watching the topic area. Shell 19:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC) P.S. I also found it interesting that Ferhago repeatedly asserts her right to make this report, but took other topic banned editors to task for pointing out the deficiencies. Shell 19:51, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Shell, I appreciate your input, but I have addressed all of these points already. The discretionary sanctions on these articles are intended to enforce NPOV policy, and when an editor is failing to observe this policy, it's necessary to provide examples of them doing so with diffs. When I asked permission to post this thread, these were the same concerns that I was referring to then. NW granted me permission to post an AE thread here in response to my explanation of this, which included a link to where Captain Occam described this behavior in the amendment thread, including most of the same examples and diffs covered my report.

I also explained that my contacting other involved editors was in response to Weiji wanting that. I contacted all of the other editors who had been involved in these disputes, and no one else - I'm not sure what I should have done differently. This seems like a "damned if I do, damned if I don't" situation. When I had contacted none of the other editors involved in these disputes, WeijiBaikeBianji complained that I had not contacted them, but in doing just that I get accused of canvassing.

Lastly, I think that Mathsci's comment here is inappropriate for two obvious reasons. First, I asked permission to post here and was granted it; he did no such thing. I would consider it just as inappropriate if Occam had posted here in my defense. Second, Mathsci's comments here demonstrate the same behavior his topic ban is intended to prevent, which is his incivility and battleground attitude. NW has agreed that Mathsci's posting here is a problem. -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 21:13, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid you've grossly misunderstood the Arbitration ruling; it was a matter of conduct, not content. I'm concerned that once again you indicate that this was based on information from Captain Occam - each time this happens, it looks more and more as if meatpuppetry is going to be a problem here. If you'll re-read my comment where I indicated that, as far as I know, editors aren't prohibited from making reports while topic banned, I also strongly suggested that you stop monitoring the topic area and work productively elsewhere. It's disappointing that you only heeded part of my comment.

About Mathsci, I find it hard to believe that you think the advice you were given by myself and NuclearWarfare somehow only applies to you. He made some very good points about your participation here - if you find that incivil and a "battleground attitude", I'd have to suggest again that you need to spend some time understanding how really Misplaced Pages works rather than continuing with the rather skewed interpretation you've learned from Captain Occam. Shell 23:30, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Various comments by Xxanthippe.

Sigh. I had hoped that this matter was over and done with. I have to agree that WeijiBaikeBianji has shown himself to be a biased and tendentious editor of the topic. I note that MathSci is also topic banned so I am surprised to find him editing here. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC).

Result concerning WeijiBaikeBianji

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I propose that this request be dismissed and the requesting party be prohibited from filing enforcement requests in this area. An editor who is topic-banned should not be filing enforcement requests unless there are clear and obvious violations, which is not the case here. Looie496 (talk) 19:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

• When you are topic banned, you are banned from the topic, that is, you are banned from making any edit that has anything to do with the topic. This request has a lot to do with the topic. Therefore, it is within the scope of your topic ban. And, no, this is not "necessary and legitimate dispute resolution", because this request has nothing to do with your topic ban. Really, when you are banned, you should disengage and find something else to work with. T. Canens (talk) 03:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

• I would disagree with the rest of you, at least in the theoretical sense. Nothing in my topic ban was meant to stop Ferahgo from filing a topic ban request. Now, I don't think that it would be wise for her to do this, and in fact think that she should abandon the topic area altogether. But I think this request should be evaluated on its own merits and the idea of preventing her from filing AE reports should only be discussed if this becomes a persistent problem. NW (Talk) 19:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

• This is an odd sort of request. The way I see it, Ferahgo the Assassin is unhappy with the edits that WeijiBaikeBianji has been making in the various Race and intelligence related articles but, since Ferahgo the Assassin is topic banned from this area he/she cannot directly challenge these edits on the talk pages of those articles. However, the purpose of a topic ban is to ensure that the editor has no influence on the content of the article for the duration of the ban and it is a violation of that ban to attempt to influence the content of these articles in any way. Since each and every charge above is content related, it is both improper as well as a violation for Ferahgo the Assassin to raise the issue here. I propose that this request be dismissed; Ferahgo the Assassin be warned that a topic ban, broadly construed, means that he or she should focus on content in unrelated articles, returning to this set of articles only when the topic ban is formally ended; and be formally advised that continued attempts to influence content in these articles will lead to him/her being blocked. --RegentsPark (talk) 02:34, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

• This request does not reflect well on Ferahgo. Although Weiji's edits may raise some eyebrows, they do not rise to the level of an enforcement action here. Meanwhile Ferahgo is testing the edges of her topic ban. This is not a matter of 'necessary and legitimate dispute resolution.' She should wait till the ban expires until she resumes her efforts to influence article content in this topic area. If she wants an open-ended permission to file enforcement requests that do not concern her directly, she should open a request for clarification with Arbcom. The recent comments by individual arbitrators about WP:ARBCC suggest they now take a dim view of this kind of thing. Unless she files such a clarification, I agree with RegentsPark that the closer of this AE should formally advise Ferahgo that additional filings by her on admin noticeboards may lead to a block. EdJohnston (talk) 18:49, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

• The filing party was specifically permitted by Nuclear Warfare, the administrator who initially topic-banned him, to submit this request for arbitration, so I am confused as to why there are overly-harsh calls for him to be reminded or prohibited from filing AE requests relating to the subject area he is banned from. I would disagree very strongly with attempts to sanction or formally remind the filing party on the basis that he was (misguidedly or not) told it was permissible to submit this enforcement request.

  In my experience, requests for enforcement submitted by a not-uninvolved filing party are often derailed by conversation about whether the filing party ought to be sanctioned for submitting the AE complaint. It would be wrong to allow this thread to take that course, and we should now re-examine the merits of the actual complaint. If the filing party had done something that would warrant him being sanctioned, then a separate thread should be devoted to that issue; in my opinion, he has not, and so that would be unnecessary. But informal, off-the-record guidance on whether he should in future be filing AE requests relating to this particular topic area might be warranted; and that should be held on the filing party's talk page—not here. Respectfully, AGK 18:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

  • I agree that we can't sanction the user simply for the act of filing this request, given NW's explicit permission. I do, however, have serious reservations about whether the exception is a good idea in the first place, and I think it may be a good idea to remove that exception. T. Canens (talk) 22:07, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
• Let me add a pointer here to WP:RFAR#Request for clarification: WP:ARBR&I. Looie496 (talk) 21:15, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Marknutley

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Request concerning Marknutley

User requesting enforcement

TS 13:07, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Marknutley (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Climate change#Marknutley_topic-banned

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 12:39, 24 October 2010 Participates in community discussion arising from Off2riorob's BLP edit war on William Connolley, an article in the topic area, for which Off2riorob has been warned under the climate change discretionary sanctions.
2. 12:47, 24 October 2010 Ditto

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

1. 18:00, 15 October 2010 Was informed of his topic ban by the arbitration clerk who closed the case.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Confirmation that he is to keep well away from the climate change articles, talk pages, and processes related to them, as the topic ban states.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

A discussion immediately prior to this filing is here.

See also arbitration committee comments at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Request_for_clarification:_Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration.2FClimate_change (ongoing).

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified 13:09, 24 October 2010.

Discussion concerning Marknutley

Statement by Marknutley

This is a piss take right? I comment on an editors proposed sanctions (sanctions which are being proposed from the editors entire editing history BTW) This has bugger all to do with CC and i demand this get thrown out and Tony get told not to file bullshit enforcement actions. mark (talk) 13:14, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Marknutley

Do topic bans prohibit editors from participating in editor-focused dispute resolution forums such as AN, ANI, RfAR, etc? Cla68 (talk) 13:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

To quote arbitrator Coren: "The point of the ruling is to get those editors to disengage. If they are unwilling or unable to do so, then we'll have no choice but to amend the decision to be more comprehensive and draconian for those editors." --TS 13:15, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

(ec) In general, no. However, this ban prohibits "(1) from editing articles about Climate Change broadly construed and their talk pages; (2) from editing biographies of living people associated with Climate Change broadly construed and their talk pages; and (3) from participating in any Misplaced Pages process relating to those articles. " The particular dispute relates to edits of William Connolley; and, in fact, was commenting on a block related to a WP:3RR violation at that article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthur Rubin (talk • contribs) 13:24, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, I hope the Committee clarifies this point, because I was sorely tempted to comment when Tony Sidaway made those bogus allegations against Atren a few days ago. Cla68 (talk) 13:31, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I thought the topic ban which barred editors from process discussions had an exception when the editor is the target of the discussion? I don't see it at the moment. If there is such an exception (and there should be), Atren was brought up by TS in the AN thread, so ought to be able to respond. However, Mark was not, so should not have contributed. However, why was it at ANI, rather than AE? A weak case could be made that if a sysop brings up an issue at AN rather than AE, that is evidence that it is not a CC issue. A weak argument but an argument.--SPhilbrickT 14:09, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to see clarification regarding whether an editor named in a Misplaced Pages process are exempt form the rule prohibiting their involvement in the process. I note that William M. Connolley participated in the needling issue at AN, and that certainly should be allowed.--SPhilbrickT 14:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Please note that the specific incident that triggered this request involved a discussion of someone else's editing of a CC-related article, not a discussion of Mark's own editing. I think it would be perverse to say that an editor can't participate in a discussion of their own behavior (unless they are blocked, in which case they couldn't for technical reasons), but that isn't the situation at hand. --RL0919 (talk) 16:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the ban does seem to be applicable unless the Committee clarifies otherwise. The AN discussion was directly related to Off2riorob's editing of a CC-related article. I understand why Mark might want to interpret it differently, and given that this is the first discussion of this particular interpretation I don't think he should be further sanctioned in this instance, but my reading of the topic ban is that he shouldn't comment on this type of discussion at AN. --RL0919 (talk) 13:35, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't think any kind of exception would be appropriate at this stage, because the arbitrators are very clear that they want this bickering ended and attempts to stop it by invoking the topic ban should not (as indeed seems to be happening even here with the topic banned Cla68) be interpreted as invitations to do exactly what they've been told to stop doing. Enough is enough. Tasty monster (=TS ) 14:28, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Just to avoid confusion, I want to explicitly point out that Tasty monster is the account I use when I'm out and about with a telephone. --TS 20:59, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

It seems clear that the ANI discussion is included because it concerns editing of CC articles. The question is whether mark nutley entered into the discussion thread because of a concern about the issues raised or did he want to influence the outcome based on whether the editor agreed or disagreed with his views on CC. TFD (talk) 16:24, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

This complaint is not going to cool down CC conflicts - especially since it is exceedingly stretching them to go from commenting on CC (covered) to commenting on proposed bans not really directly related to CC conflicts - this extension would cover Nutley from commenting on Jimbo's talk page because someone there might have discussed CC :). Perhaps the cool-down time has arrived? I feel that this is simply picking at sores in the belief they will heal faster that way. Collect (talk) 21:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

You've got it exactly the wrong way around. The way to stop the problem of people topic banned from climate change articles pushing the envelope is to come down hard on those who push the envelope. If you don't, they'll still be pushing it next month. Then what do you do?

Falsely claiming that this would ban Mark Nutley from commenting on Jimbo's user talk page if somebody else had discussed global warming does not help. Stop it.

The topic banned editors have been told to drop the stick and move away. Now we need to show them we mean it. --TS 21:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes but i dropped the stick about 6 weeks before the CC case even closed. And to comment on an ANI thread about a discussed sanction for an editor which was taking into account his entire editing history is not a breach of the CC probation. It was not just one article dispute which was being discussed was it? mark (talk) 22:54, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I did allow that at first. Notice that I said "you may have missed the context that the precipitating action was an edit war involving Off2riorob's repeated insertion of dodgy material at William Connolley, for which he has now received a very strong warning under the climate change discretionary sanctions."

At that point to observe your topic ban you could have backed off. Did you? No. That's why we're here. You didn't back off and you now refuse to recognise that this is an instance when it would have been correct to back off. You said:

"I am not commenting on a CC article at all"

That's a problem because you were clearly ignoring the process component of the ban.

I'm only asking for a statement that you, and everybody else under this topic ban (some of whom have been less cooperative than you) should back off. --TS 23:40, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Result concerning Marknutley

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I can't see any enforceable violation of the CC sanctions here. Looie496 (talk) 00:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

• It may or may not be a technical violation (that is somewhat unclear), but Mark should have known better. I'm sorry, but I really don't know how much clearer the message can be to the topic-banned users: Please go away. If the discussion is on-wiki and even tangentially related to climate change, and is not directly discussing you, then leave it alone. You lost those editing privileges in the case. Now its time to back off for a while and go edit something else. As far as a sanction for mark, I suggest we clarify that this is not acceptable, and we caution him to respect the rule-of-thumb I just outlined. The Wordsmith 08:45, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
  • This is a cut-and-dry violation of the topic ban. A block- I'm thinking two weeks- should be the result of this kind of flagrant violation of a topic ban. Courcelles 16:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
  • I agree with Courcelles about a two-week block for violating the topic ban. It is fair to consider the article on William Connolley to be related to Climate Change. Misplaced Pages process about that article (even if the process is about sanctioning someone who has edited there recently) falls into the banned area. EdJohnston (talk) 17:45, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Hmm, this is somewhat borderline, but I have to agree with Courcelles and EdJohnston here that there is a violation; I won't go as far as EdJohnston's wording suggests, but a Misplaced Pages process about sanctioning someone whose recent edits to a CC article triggered the said process is in my view properly considered to be within the scope of the ban, even if the CC edits are not the only thing considered in the said process. I also agree with the spirit of The Wordsmith's comment, though not his proposed sanction. T. Canens (talk) 21:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
    • Okay then, what sanction would you prefer? The Wordsmith 02:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
      • I'm thinking about a substantial block, along the lines of Courcelles/EdJohnston's proposal. T. Canens (talk) 03:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
        • I think I'll agree that that is an acceptable result. Do we have sufficient consensus to enact a two-week block? The Wordsmith 03:32, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
          • Yes, we do. Blocked for two weeks. Courcelles 08:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Mbz1

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Request concerning Mbz1

User requesting enforcement

Factomancer (talk) 08:25, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Mbz1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated

Misplaced Pages:Editing_restrictions#Placed_by_the_Wikipedia_community

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. Editing an article I just created and reverting my changes to the article by adding claims of chemical weapons which is specifically disallowed by the interaction ban. I was blocked for doing much less, making a single edit, at Maimonides Synagogue.
2. Ditto
3. Ditto
4. Ditto
5. Ditto
6. Ditto
7. Ditto
8. This edit violates the "commenting about other parties in other venues" clause of the interaction ban, since she was directly referring to my edits. Don't make the mistake that I did and assume that you need to use someone's name before the interaction ban kicks in - I have been blocked many times for not even using the other parties name but making any reference to them or their edits whatsoever. The interaction ban has been interpreted "broadly" by blocking admins to include any reference.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Not applicable, since user has been blocked for violating this interaction ban before.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Block. A long time would be appropriate given this account's block history.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I have asked an admin who has blocked me multiple times under the interaction ban for violations much less severe than this, but he ignored my request (User:Georgewilliamherbert).

Most of my block history constitutes pubishments for "violations" of this interaction ban, most of the violations much more trivial than this, by admins Georgewilliamherbert and Sandstein. They have been loathe to apply the same exacting standards to the other parties of the interaction ban, which is why I have resorted here.

If this request does not result in a block, I will be forced to leave Misplaced Pages. Any time I start editing an article the other parties of the interaction ban can start edit warring against me and reverting my edits and I will be unable to discuss their edits with them or revert their edits without violating the interaction ban.

In this way the interaction ban is being used by some as a de-facto sub-rosa license to kick me off Misplaced Pages without the proper process of a community ban.

If I am to be kicked off Misplaced Pages, fine, but I expect due process, not this abuse of an interaction ban.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

I cannot do this without violating the interaction ban myself. (Notified by another editor: )

Discussion concerning Mbz1

Statement by Mbz1

I hope I am allowed to respond here.

My interaction ban conditions as stated here are "This editing restriction shall include a complete prohibition from comments on the respective user talk pages, filing reports on admin noticeboards, reverting edits on articles, commenting in other venues about the other party, or directly responding to each other's comments on article talk pages. This restriction by itself does not prohibit mutual participation on articles, as long as the editors stay away from each other. The restriction is to be interpreted broadly."

I did not violate any of those conditions. I did some work on the article, but I've never reverted anybody at all, not a single revert, not a partial revert, not .00000001 revert was done by me. I only added bran new, well bran new sourced information. as you could see here nothing was reverted only added. Besides adding some new info all other my edits were fixing my own mistakes, made in prior edits,fixing my English and/or moving my own additions from one place to another. It was "a mutual participation on articles" that is allowed under my ban restrictions. This edit is not a violation of my ban because I was discussing nobody.

The situation with Maimonides Synagogue was an absolutely different case. My own edits were reverted.

I have never at all violated my interaction ban. I have no difficulties in following my restrictions.

--Mbz1 (talk) 11:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Mbz1

Hmmmm... The diff 8 that PK uses as justification for a ban seems like fairly thin gruel. I mean, Mbz was just posting a notification, no? It wasn't even really a comment. Seems a little strict PK. On the other hand, I guess a single day ban is a fairly innocuous slap-on-the-hand. NickCT (talk) 18:39, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Facts recently made a final statement on their user page. Looks like the editor is leaving bu they have left before. Along with some other emotional stuff, "My contributions are far more numerous than those of the other parties of the interaction ban, whose material is of a poor, openly biased quality and whose English is much worse than mine." Was part of it. This is also in violation of the interaction ban. Mbz1 can't and shouldn't respond to it (her images have been awesome on this project, BTW) but I thought it might be appropriate to impose an additional topic ban since there is a possibility Facts will return.Cptnono (talk) 18:47, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Should this be addressed before this is closed or should it just be chalked up to some general venting due to the block?Cptnono (talk) 22:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Result concerning Mbz1

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Complainant blocked, per the interaction ban. However, I think there may be merits to the claim, so I'm not summarily closing it. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 08:59, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I would prefer that another administrator deal with the claim as written. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 09:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

• Arthur Rubin has blocked Factomancer 72 hours. Factomancer is restricted from 'filing reports on admin noticeboards.. about the other party.' Arthur has asked that we check if there is any merit in the complaint against Mbz1. Actually the editing at Operation Damocles appears very harmonious for an article under ARBPIA, except for a couple of hot-headed edit summaries by Factomancer. I did not notice Mbz1 making any reverts of material added by others. Factomancer seems to be complaining about the mere fact that Mbz1 is editing an article which he started. He is surely aware that the ban permits 'mutual participation on articles.' I urge that this report be closed with no further action. EdJohnston (talk) 17:36, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, I agree that ironically enough making this report is a violation of the ban which includes a complete prohibition on filing reports on admin noticeboards, and that 72 hours is a reasonable duration. However, I fail to see anything 'harminious', unless you're joking, and concur with Sandstein's comment. Finally, I think item 8 also infringes the ban, so I'm considering giving Mbz1 a short block. PhilKnight (talk) 17:45, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

OK, I see how diff #8 could violate the restriction on "commenting in other venues about the other party," in this case Factomancer. So a short block of Mbz1 would be justified. 'Harmonious' could be too strong, but the article seemed to be improving in spite of the adversarial editing. EdJohnston (talk) 17:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. I'll block Mbz1 for 24 hours. PhilKnight (talk) 18:00, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

• This request does not even belong here. The community ban was issued at ANI without any reference to ArbCom sanctions, as far as I can see, and the request does not reference an ArbCom sanction, so it should have been handled at ANI. Please read WT:RFARB#What belongs at AE for an explanation of why this is important. Looie496 (talk) 20:35, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

• I'm aware of that Looie, and I guess the other admins are as well. Personally, I think moving this request was unnecessary. PhilKnight (talk) 20:41, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

• It was necessary because it's now unclear whether the blocks that have been imposed are AE blocks, which cannot be reversed or substantially reduced, or ordinary blocks, which are subject to alteration in a variety of ways. Looie496 (talk) 21:20, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

• If you look at Mbz1's talk page, you'll notice that I didn't use {{uw-aeblock}}, but instead {{uw-block}}, and I expressly permitted any other admin unblocking. PhilKnight (talk) 21:43, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

The interaction ban probably could have been imposed under ARBPIA authority, but apparently wasn't. Okay, so this doesn't belong at AE technically. Neither blocks imposed were identified as an AE block. So this can be closed now. T. Canens (talk) 22:01, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

SonofSetanta

Cla68

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Cla68

User requesting enforcement

TS 11:03, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Cla68 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy that this user violated

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Climate_change#Climate_change:_discretionary_sanctions,Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Climate_change#Cla68_topic-banned

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 13:31, 24 October 2010 Comments at an arbitration enforcement request about another topic-banned editor. Introduces a grievance concerning an earlier discussion on climate change in which he was not an involved party. Continued battlefield conduct (see Finding 18, "Cla68's battlefield conduct".) Boundary-testing his topic ban.
2. 12:56, 24 October 2010 Makes comment at Request for Clarification attacking another topic-banned editor. Continued battlefield conduct.
3. 05:12, 26 October 2010 Makes comment at Request for Clarification attacking the starter of the thread and excusing earlier attack by saying "me and the others you mention were invited here by the filing party".
4. 10:05, 26 October 2010 In reply to warning about continued involvement from Tony Sidaway (filer of this request), accuses that editor of "bad faith efforts to try to draw me back into the CC dispute so you can use it to criticize me...No one has caused more unnecessary drama since the CC case closed than you." Continued battlefied behavior and assumptions of bad faith.
5. 10:12, 26 October 2010 Acknowledges arbitrator Carcharoth's advice but at same time cannot resist accusing Tony Sidaway of "baiting" him. Continued battlefield behavior and assumptions of bad faith.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

1. 13:31, 24 October 2010 Informed of topic ban and discretionary sanctions by Dougweller (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA), the arbitration clerk who closed the case.
2. 00:25, 24 October 2010 Formal notification Tony Sidaway (talk · contribs) of Request for Clarification following concerns about ongoing boundary-testing by topic-banned editors.
3. 09:57, 26 October 2010 Warning on continued skirting of topic ban, from Tony Sidaway (talk · contribs)

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

"We really mean it" block if necessary for the enforcement of the topic ban and warning about continued assumptions of bad faith.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

See arbitrators' comments at the Request for Clarification I filed on the continued boundary testing in the topic ban.

See also community sentiment expressed at WP:AN on a thread about continued battlefield conduct and skirting to the topic ban.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise.

Discussion concerning Cla68

Statement by Cla68

Comments by others about the request concerning Cla68

Result concerning Cla68

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