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Cretins

Maybe cockroaches and others will inherit the place - unlikely any good sense will come from the crap that drops, best to be mushrooms, i suspect - otherwise they are bit like that which hits the fan - spray into the places they are not welcome or wanted ... SatuSuro 08:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear! I completely agree with both of you!! I personally feel it is MOST unlikely that YM is the cretin that these zealots are accusing him of being. I seem to have missed out on witnessing this persecution. Is there anything useful I can contribute? Please advise. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

The whole thing is worse then Australian politics! Love to say more on this but I'll just have it rehashed on Wikiquette alerts just because they don't like what I have said or do. I have bigger things to worry about at the moment which is the flooding of the Murrumbidgee River (looking to be at 10m, 0.74m below the 1974 flood) and I'm trying to document (photograph) the event as much as I possibly can. Bidgee (talk) 12:16, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, look after yourself. (10m!) Best wishes, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:19, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Keeping dry?

I hear that the Gumly Gumly and North Wagga levees are likely to top. Hope you remain high and dry over the weekend. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 13:12, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Yep but those levees are small, 9.6m at North Wagga and 9.0m at Gumly Gumly IIRC. I'll be right (going by the 1974 flood inundation map) but the flood could be only a few hundred metres away (not sure what the how far up it will go as the '74 flood was 10.74 and the predicted height is 10m on Monday). As long as it doesn't rain in the catchments we should be ok (Wagga City levee side). Wagga Wagga Civic Centre looks like it will be closed for a few weeks due to the flood damaged caused by the Thursday evening storm. I recorded 65.5mm on Thursday with 39mm falling during the evening storm. Bidgee (talk) 13:25, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Also they are constructing some temporary levees along Hampden Avenue to try and keep some access until or slightly after midday (with the river is expected to be at 9.6m), though everyone in North Wagga has to be out by midday. Bidgee (talk) 13:38, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

North Wagga SHALL be moved! at least temporarily... Good luck and take lots of photos Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 22:27, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

There are a few who don't want to move, mainly those who have houses built up but I can understand why the SES wants no one to be in North Wagga, East Wagga and Gumly Gumly. Roads in the city will be worse then it was on Thursday night and Friday morning, fact is Wagga is a lot bigger then it was in 1956 and 1974. The only access to the airport is via the back road. Thank god that they built the Gobba Bridge, which will still give Estella and the Uni access to the city, but this will also test it as the first major flood since it was built, the bridge itself is safe. Bidgee (talk) 22:34, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Meanwhile, 200 km south west File:Australian Plague Locust Berrigan December 2010.JPG. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 05:44, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Bloody hell! Reminds me of the plague a few years ago, we have a light swarm in the city now. Just what we need with all the flooding and now storm damage. I'm so busy ATM, hard to get access to areas (e.g. levee over the Sturt Highway). Bidgee (talk) 09:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Wow. We capital city residents have it easy, don't we. Best wishes to both of you. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:17, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Drought to floods and now locust plagues! Still got the fire season to go yet, but is delayed because of the rain! I've uploaded photos from the 3rd to the 6th (working on the others) on my Flickr account. Bidgee (talk) 10:20, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Fire Season - having had helicopters hover over my house for half-hour stints, fire season is something I do understand. At the moment, everything is uncharacteristicly green and lush for November - much less December! I expect it will be brown & dry by the new year - won't that be fun!! Pdfpdf (talk) 10:59, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox bus service

Template:Infobox bus service has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox bus transit. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Plastikspork _―Œ 05:49, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

ANI

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Separating vehicles by generation rather than powertrain or trim level

Hi, I am just dropping a note to inform you of a discussion currently taking place here (Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Automobiles#Mass article merger). In summary, WikiProject Automobiles is soliciting opinions based on the separation of automobile articles by generation, as opposed to other means such as powertrain or trim level. For example, rather than having an article on the Audi S3, the Audi A3 article would be split into two sub-articles (one for each generation), and the S3 content would be moved to the appropriate location. This would place automobiles with common engineering in the same place, as opposed to grouping by a mere marketing term. Since separate articles are always provided to detail the powertrain (engine and transmission, et cetera), the partitioning of articles based on this principle is superfluous (the powertrain is only briefly discussed in the article about the car). The reason for giving the actual powertrain a separate article is to cut down on overlap: engines and transmissions are almost universally used in more than one model.

This message will be/has been posted on the talk page of all editors who contributed to the previous discussion at Talk:Toyota Camry Hybrid. Regards, OSX (talk • contributions) 23:41, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

You missed...

The extensive and long discussion on the Talk:Newcastle_High_School_(Australia)#Motto. -Danjel (talk) 11:03, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

And you missed the "i.e." in your citation. i.e. means "that means", i.e., it's an interpretation. -Danjel (talk) 11:21, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Danjel and Meatpuppetry

Danjel has accused you and I of meatpuppetry at WP:AN3#User:Danjel reported by User:AussieLegend (Result: ), where I reported him for continuing to edit war at Newcastle High School (Australia) with this edit. Sorry about this. --AussieLegend (talk) 13:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Merger discussion

As a follow up to the above message this is a note to let you know that there is merger discussion taking place here regrading the Civic and Accord Hybrids, the Ford Escape Hybrid and the Renault 5 Turbo, just in case you want to participate. OSX (talk • contributions) 23:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Blocked for twenty-four hours

I have blocked you for twenty-four hours, with some regret that you choose not to engage in more measured and reasoned debate. I have opened a section on the Administrators' noticeboard regarding this.

• You're not applying much patience with a new user, see Misplaced Pages:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers
• You're applying an inconsistant standard, which the new user is clearly finding totally frustrating.
• You reverted twice and failed to use the talk page first, as you were warned was a requirement.

I'm not sure how many different ways I can say this: It's way better in the long run if you seek to establish consensus on the talk page, and don't edit war.
Aaron Brenneman (talk) 02:09, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Following a request for review of the block, I have unblocked you. See here. --Mkativerata (talk) 03:23, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Hahahappy christmas - thank god we have him around any admin who can do this http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3AMkativerata is a worthy member of the Australian wikipedia crowd - happy christmas to you, him and anyone else reading this :) SatuSuro 11:15, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Wish it was a Happy Christmas but Aaron Brenneman has pushed the wrong buttons and he also gives Admin's a bad name. If it wasn't for Mkativerata, I would have been slamming my hand against a brick wall (if AussieLegend's unblock request is anything to go by). Bidgee (talk) 13:26, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to know wher Mkativerata was during my recent block. "I'm unblocking Bidgee, because (a) this has now been open for well over an hour". It took one 23 to get to mine. --AussieLegend (talk) 11:38, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I think it helped that there was an AN/I or I think I would have ended up in the same boat (again). I can't see why my block log can't be deleted/hidden when it is possible to do it now. Chances of me ever becoming an Admin here is now 0% after that wrongful block, I'll rather be doing other things that sysops do rather then being stuck with the same old. Bidgee (talk) 13:26, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I know what you mean. I've already had one editor try to point score off my block. --AussieLegend (talk) 13:35, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

and it wont be the last, trust me! Bidgee (talk) 13:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Been there - know where you are coming from - and in the past the general advice was to have a break - walk away for a while - I do have a number of measures I take when I get that way - but hey theyre for an email SatuSuro 13:38, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Trust me, next time I walk away from Misplaced Pages it will be for good. I've walked away and have come back too many times, all of those times it seems that all I'm doing is wasting my own time. Bidgee (talk) 13:40, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Away from ANI

I mentioned there that I'm always open to a recall request, and if you wanted to open a request for comment then I will have no objections, and am even happy to assist. (I know that sounds odd, but I'd like the idea that RfC is a de facto witch burning to be laid to rest.) With respect to both of those courses of action, though, I'm not sure they would turn out like you're expecting. Normally a request for comment requires a much higher level of "abuse" than this, and I had a recall request before that was luke-warm. I'll try to find a link to that for you if you want.

But I really came to say that, as it appears to me, you're seeing me as somehow adversarial in all of this. I apologise for whatever it is that I've done to give that impression. (I hope that doesn't sound like a non-apology apology.)

Aaron Brenneman (talk) 03:57, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I would very much prefer you recall yourself. I'm still making up my mind what action will be the best but I'll likely decide by tomorrow.

First of all I have a block log in which I should not have and you have made it much worse then it already was, fact is your block will be used against me and how many people will read the link in the unblock to see that it was a bad block? Have no longer have hope in RfA if I ever wanted to try due to the fact of the block log (no matter what it says). Fact you made bad faith comment about myself (which you have failed to answer on AN/I), fact is that you were not sorry for the bias actions against me. Sorry to say the very weak (I apologise for whatever) apology doesn't deal with the actions you did and the effect it has on me as an editor.

I was also negotiating with an organisation to donate their time on improving on images (historic) as well as historic (events, buildings, people ect) article but you actions and behaviour stuffed that up, total waste of my time. Bidgee (talk) 12:45, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not trying to waste your time. Really. We're two people who've had a disagreement. We clearly view these events differently, and I'm trying quite hard to understand your point of view in order to reconcile the differences.

• I am sorry to have upset you. No equivocation, I'm sorry. Regardless of any feeling of mine that my actions were supported by policy and precendent, I don't like the fact that I have upset you.
• With respect to request for adminship, my experiance is that people care more about how you respond to the block than about the actual log. But I haven't been around RFA for a while, so I could be wrong on that.
• You've several times said that my "we don't do punative" comment was in bad faith. I don't understand this statement, I was trying to be factual: You were briefly blocked, I did block you for disruption, and the ANI discussion did say your actions weren't ideal. If you want to expand on this I'm happy to hear why you feel that way.
• If you want to subject me to recall, just put a section on my talk saying so. If others agree, they'll come and say so, too.

At this stage I can't judge enough your reactions to know if I'm just aggrevating you further. So I'll leave you in peace, with the caveat that if you want to continue the discussion (or just get the last word in) it's cool with me.
Aaron Brenneman (talk) 01:27, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Fact is your the one who caused the mess by being trigger happy and it shouldn't be up to me to get my block log annotated again, as this is unsatisfactory as how many editors or Admins will bother to copy, paste and read what it says?

Myself and other Admins pointed out your actions were not supported by policy and the fact that your actions were bias.

No you have stated that you are sorry for the blocking incident.

I'ved watched a few RfA's and seen how most were shot down just over having a block log and not looking into why had they been blocked then unblocked no long after.

"that editor was blocked shortly to stop the disruption, and the discussion was clear that their behaviour was "not ideal."" that is what was bad faith, first of all how could I be disrupting over an hour later when in fact another editor (Rrburke, yet you never questioned them over the lack of edit summary or the use of rollback) reverted? Also your not the one to question ones behaviour while your are also involved in the whole thing.

Why shouldn't I request a RfC or Recall you? Convince me, I don't want to do one of the actions but I feel your actions as an editor and Admin was extremely poor, your understanding of policies and guidelines is not as good as it should be (Admins should know and understand them) and your refusal to generally apologise on AN/I and here over the whole block incident as well as you not annotating my block log. Bidgee (talk) 03:26, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying me that you had responded.

• In large, you're repeating your ealier statements, and I don't think that it would be useful for me to simply repeat my earlier statements. I apologise if this gives the impression that I'm ignoring any bits of what you've said.
• With respect to Rrburke (talk · contribs), you're correct that I failed to comment on their reversion. Thank you for alerting me to this oversight. While this person had not had the formal warning that you had had, I should have alerted them to the fact that warnings had been issued both in general on the article talk and in particular one two user's talk pages.
• I have not and will not try to "convince " not to explore further forms of dispute resolution. I am in fact encouraging you, verging in imploring you, to do so. If your interpretation of events is supported by the community, we find that out and move towards a solution.

As before, I'm happy to let you have the last word if you want it, and happy to continue the discussion for as long as we both feel it is productive.

Aaron Brenneman (talk) 02:12, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

• CommentAs an outside observer of this little saga, I feel, Aaron, that your responses are very much less than satisfactory. From my perspective it seems that your actions against Bidgee were grossly disproportionate and not warranted under the circumstances, a point which you refuse to concede or even talk about. Your actions seem to me to be predjudicial and consequently IMO you have a moral duty to mitigate the damage you have done to Bidgee's Wiki-reputation by, at the very least, annotating his block log and publicly, genuinely apologising, not the fullsome "apology" you have produced so far. - Nick Thorne 06:43, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the notice.

Ouch. "Fulsome"? Dude, that hurts. Like, seriously, that's just how I talk.

• "efuse to concede or even talk about." I don't even know how to respond to that. What have I been doing on this page, what am I doing now? But this is not the appropriate place to continue this discussion, I'm trying to make clear. Any of the various paths to actual resolution, yes, but this is not that.
• "oral duty, etc..." Please tell me that you're kidding? If I were making a decision on support/oppose in someone's request for adminship, I'd be swayed far more by their response to the block than by the fact that he's been blocked.

Giving last word if wanted, keep getting notices, will talk more if asked, etc etc etc

Aaron Brenneman (talk) 11:15, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I have to say, Nick's comment explains just the way I feel over the whole incident and it proves what I had said, I have nothing to answer for (Re: the blocks including the bad block). The only one who has to answer for it is you (Aaron). Bidgee (talk) 11:21, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Totally off topic, here. Aaron: go to your userpage. Create it with, "Hi!" Now... your username is no longer redlinked!!! It's so damned annoying to see an admin with this (I'm sure you've been told this many times). "Casual Fridays" are one day a week: wear some sort of suit here since you're an "officer" and all. Have some respect for yourself! Sheesh... Doc talk 11:25, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Suburban Katoomba

The above shot was pathetic and should never have been there in the first place. It is bad photographically, and also in encyclopedic terms, because it conveys no info of any kind about Katoomba, except that the sun was low when the shot was taken, so presumably this is something that happens a lot in suburban Katoomba. Sardaka (talk) 10:57, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

PS. Are you a sockpuppet of Adam.J.W.C.? I can't believe that anyone but Adam would like that photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sardaka (talk • contribs) 11:01, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

First of all you are talking about something that dates back to October (2 months ago), if it is the best photo available then yes it can be used, your reasons (POV) are just personal ones.

Second, I'm not a sock puppet, we live is different locations (very different infact, if you have ever looked at the images we upload) and nor do I know Adam.J.W.C. personally. Bidgee (talk) 11:08, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Further against the claim of sock puppetry, File:Verbascum virgatum 05.jpg and File:Sir William Wallace Hotel, Cameron Street.jpg which are taken from different locations but taken on the same day, we use different cameras and I've not been to Sydney since 2007. I suggest that you get the facts before making unfounded allegations. Bidgee (talk) 11:44, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

returned greetings

good thanks - hope yours has been ok - the other stuff best explained offline (again) -cheers SatuSuro 01:38, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Population of Wangaratta

I've reverted back to the 2006 numbers (your two reverts had the population of Wang set to the Rural City of Wangaratta, which is incorrect). Note the source you reverted for population of Wang was a 2010 study by the Rural City of Wangaratta, likely to be more current/reliable than old ABS numbers, no? Weedwhacker128 (talk) 20:50, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

No, Rural City of Wangaratta didn't state the source for its population in Wangaratta. Using Rural City of Wangaratta as a source (in fact it goes for any local government) is discouraged due to the fact it is a primary source, local governments will tend to talk-up populations (Albury-Wodonga is another example where the local newspaper and the two local governments stated the population was way higher then the ABS' prediction by citing a commercial companies stats ). There is a very good reason why we use the ABS which is due to it be more reliable even though populations other then LGAs, Statistical, State and Territories (though they are only estimated in between Census') are out dated. Bidgee (talk) 22:29, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, I ran over to the ABS to update the page for Wangaratta (versus the incorrect super-shire of Rural City of Wangaratta) when the bogus 24,000 number was added, and the number just for Wangaratta was not readily available at the ABS site as far as I can tell. Keep in mind that City of Wangaratta and many other surrounding shires were amalgamated and it's unclear that the ABS will be providing a number just for Wangaratta (unless they've hidden it very well). What would be the population source in that case if not the ABS? Weedwhacker128 (talk) 08:49, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I found the new maps at the ABS reflecting the shire amalgamations and something covering Wangaratta (and not surrounding Rural City of Wangaratta towns/districts) will likely be represented in the next census.Weedwhacker128 (talk) 11:36, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Why do you want to keep out of date information??

Bidgee

I have no problem with you changing "city" back to "CBD" (although I don't think it is clear where the two people unfortunately killed in the Toowoomba flood were located). However, I am bemused that you want to keep what is now out of date information. My source is based on the latest information (8pm today) from ABC on-line which surely is a reliable source. --Chewings72 (talk) 11:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Oops - I just realised you kept both references. So no need for you to respond.  :) --Chewings72 (talk) 11:44, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Hell

When they didnt need it they get the water - watching the tv of NSW and QLD is devastating - hope youre dry for the moment - i really feel for the people who have lost everything - and the people lost - bloody waste SatuSuro 14:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Yep always the way though! :( I'm fine, though was a different story a month ago (Like Ipswich and Brisbane) when we nearly hit the 1974 height but thankfully it didn't get to the predicted level. Photos of the March, September, October and December floods (will upload these to Commons but not on my priority list ATM). I could see QLD was in for hell a lot of rain but never thought it would be this bad! Bidgee (talk) 14:50, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Black Saturday bushfires

I have the article on my watchlist again now. The IP editor appears to have stopped for now but I will take action should any unacceptable behaviour reoccur. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 19:23, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Happy 10th

HeyBzuk (contribs) has bought you a whisky! Sharing a whisky is a great way to bond with other editors after a day of hard work. Spread the WikiLove by buying someone else a whisky, whether it be someone with whom you have collaborated or had disagreements. Enjoy!

Talkback

2011 Victorian floods

Actually my Defense Media releases NEVER come to me with a copyright notice (in the email), so this is the first time in years that I have become aware that they are copyrighted. Mind you, I think this is the first time in years that I have used them as basis of edits, and in the case of the Victorian efforts I didn't think I could phrase it any differently than they were already written. Koakhtzvigad (talk) 11:05, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

All content online (whether it is http://, ftp:// and email) should be assumed as copyrighted. If someone you knew sent you a photos to look at, it doesn't give you the right to reuse it elsewhere unless you had the permission to do so. When signing up the the ADF you should always read the copyright and privacy policies as this applies to its website and emails.

You can rephrase and infact if you re-add copyrighted content next time (text or images) you risk in being blocked. Bidgee (talk) 11:12, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't think there was a web page that you pointed me to when I first started receiving Defense Media emails. It was my, perhaps mistaken, assumption that these releases were for public information. Certainly most news services use them almost verbatum sometimes. However, Now that you know where they came from, maybe you can do a better job of rephrasing. Cheers Koakhtzvigad (talk) 11:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Australian Barnstar of National Merit
		For your work on Commons mainly, finding great images to illustrate Australian articles—especially migrating images from Flickr. Thank you Mattinbgn (talk) 20:55, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
		this WikiAward was given to Bidgee by Mattinbgn (talk) on 20:55, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

FYI

You need to see this i think - it affects all Aus and SPAC storm articles.Jason Rees (talk) 01:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Moving articles?

Hey, I'd appreciate if you wouldn't move articles back so quickly. There is an ongoing discussion at the WPTC talk page. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:12, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Same goes for you moving articles during a discussion, very much the pot calling the kettle black. Bidgee (talk) 02:17, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I thought the discussion was over. No one had really objected, and it didn't make any sense to keep the long titles, so I moved them. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:26, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Really? Sorry but clearly not the case, you also failed to discuss with the other projects it effects, after all "Cyclones" happen outside the USA. Bidgee (talk) 02:28, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Could you respond to the discussion again, since you are the primary person who is against moving the articles, specifically which title is used more. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:23, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

User page

Well I get to find similar gaffes from ABC online sometimes - some delighteful mistakes - the one you point out of course is confusing queenstown australia with queensland australia - having been a resident of the former and and a former knocker of the politics of the latter I dont think the two are equal in any ways :| SatuSuro 09:39, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

At least the ABC fix it unlike the US media but watch the US editors who want to rename the article! ;) Always though some Yanks are shit with any outside the US, example are where they locate Egypt, Iraq and Queensland, using incorrect figures (outdated or don't even exist), don't know where African-Americans come from and even some think the US is the only country that exists in the Northern Hemisphere. Bidgee (talk) 10:12, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

What's this "in the Northern Hemisphere" rubbish! Pdfpdf (talk) 10:45, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Apology

-- MelbourneStar☆ (talk) 04:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry about the message, I take it back. -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk) 11:24, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I'll email you a reply when I have some free time. Got a few things going on ATM. Bidgee (talk) 14:38, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

For cleaning up the wa fires it was all arse about when i found it (the north east and south east suburbs are indeed on the darling scarp but the bullsh- about the swan valley as a referent point amazed me - it was known on the field as the red hill fire) - having been a firey at a very small part of it, it read really like something the dog brought up - it is a bit clearer now - cheers - oh and there is a marvellous story that I heard about something I saw when I got on the field this am - must tell you by email sometime - not possible to relate it here :) SatuSuro 13:23, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Only did the sources, the article needs a bit of work though but just not in the mood nor really have the time. Bidgee (talk) 14:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar thanks

Hi Bidgee,

Thanks for the Barnstar. Wasn't expecting that! :) Still a bit of work to go on the article - clearly has had a lot of different contributors to that one. --jjron (talk) 13:39, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

No problem, I was meaning to do work on it a few months ago but never got around to it. It was well in need of a clean-up! Bidgee (talk) 14:37, 7 February 2011 (UTC)