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Gnetwerker enjoined from refactoring Reed College talk page

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Gnetwerker has consistently refactored the Reed College talk pages to exclude comments that he didn't like, comments that related to ongoing issues relating to the page (including comments about this case), and left truly moribund discussions in place, as well, as his own warning to other editors to be careful on his turf. This is part of an ongoing effort by Gnetwerker to make the WP Reed College page look like a brochure for Reed. He doesn't even want objectionable comments on the talk page, in case someone (prospective parents? students?) might see them. Evidence is: ], ], ], ]. He has characterized these refactorings in a deliberately misleading away; this abuse is pronounced and purposeful, and has no legitimate archival purpose. In many instances, the talk page was not overly long, and the comments on it just a few weeks old. (NB: Apologies, but my diffs were slightly off on this before, so please recheck.) IronDuke 16:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

]] was a routine refactoring prior to IronDuke's arrival on the page. All others were refctorings of the Drug Use dispute subsequent to mediation. In no case did I refactor to archive others' comments and retain my own. -- Gnetwerker 20:40, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

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Editing regarding a subject you are involved with

1) It is not forbidden to edit regarding a subject you are involved with. If discretion is used and sources appropriate to the subject are consulted, a user may do so. Tendentious editing in such a circumstance may result in banning from editing.

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Courtesy

2) Users are expected to be reasonably courteous regarding other users even when provoked. It is not a defense to charges of discourtesy that the other user acted improperly.

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Refactoring of talk pages

3) Talk pages of articles may be archived from time to time. Archiving may involve refactoring, with older material which remains relevant retained and newer material which is repetitive or resolved being archived. Unless abuse is pronounced and purposeful, errors or differences in opinion regarding refactoring are not subject to sanction.

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Edit warring over refactoring is not acceptable. If someone believes material remains current it should remain on the talk page. Fred Bauder 15:02, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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No original research

4) Misplaced Pages:No original research provides that information known only to the user or the result of his researches are not acceptable sources for information in a Misplaced Pages article. The source must be a reliable published report.

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Information without an adequate source

5) Users may not add information to Misplaced Pages articles which do not have a source in a reliable published source.

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Tendentious editing

6) Sustained aggressive point of view editing, especially when accompanied by edit warring is unacceptable and may result in a ban from the affected article. In extreme cases in a ban from the site.

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Using affiliations to discredit views

7) "Using someone's affiliations as a means of dismissing or discrediting their views" may be considered to be a personal attack.

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Added by Gnetwerker 22:32, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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Abuse of Process

8) "Requests for arbitration should be used appropriately within the guidelines on that page. They should not be used for frivolous or pointless disputes and should not be used as a forum for personal attacks, harassment, and abuse" Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_policy/Precedents#Abuse_of_processes.

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Added by Gnetwerker 22:42, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Abcom rejects frivolous cases on a routine basis. That they have accepted this case is prima facie evidence that it isn't frivolous. IronDuke 16:52, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

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Locus of dispute

1) The locus of the dispute is Reed College with IronDuke focusing on alleged problems and Gnetworker taking a more balanced point of view .

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I'm confused by this. Is there anyone out there (other than Gnetwerker) who would call his edits "balanced?" They are all either neutral or positive, none negative. And the diffs supplied just support this, with Gnetwerker providing unsourced positive spin, and me citing sources (admittedly, not a positive one). IronDuke 17:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

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Gnetwerker has been discourteous to IronDuke

2) Gnetwerker has sometimes been discourteous to IronDuke, see Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/IronDuke_and_Gnetwerker/Evidence#Gnetwerker_engaged_in_personal_attacks.

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I don't believe the evidence would support a finding of personal attacks. Fred Bauder 14:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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Comment by Gnetwerker: As I stated in the evidence, I did not believe i was discourteous to IronDuke, and in the one situation where he complained, I apologized. I believe the quotes in his evidence are taken out of context:

• nonsense -- this was used in an edit summary. The word appears, in fact, in the one of the milder WP:Vandalism templates ({{subst:test2}}). It was not intended as a discourtesy, as at that time I thought IronDuke's repeated addition of the exact same line without discussion was simple vandalism.
• arbitrary: Again, noted a reversion of an "arbitrary" re-ordering -- i.e. one done without discussion (prior or post) on the talk page. This seems mild to me in view of what I see on other WP pages.
• vandalism: The context sentence for this is " position doesn't anger me, repeated vandalism does". Clearly, the quote is taken out of context.
• trying the community's patience: is from a Misplaced Pages link suggesting the IronDuke look at that policy, not an attack on IronDuke.
• bogus: the phrase form the citation is that "the comparison ... is bogus". The definition of the word is "not genuine" and it is not a term of disrespect.

Several of the other references in IronDuke's complaint do not point to uses of the words he quotes. ArbCom may feel that the overall tone was disrespectful, or that I need a caution in order that the result appear balanced, and while I disavow that intent, I can accept that opinion. As I stipulated in my evidence that I was intemperate on at least one occasion in considering IronDuke's "sustained low-quality editing" (phrasing from here, to avoid further accusations) to be vandalism, for which I apologized long ago. If I am to be criticized, I would like it to be for things I really said in the context they were said. -- Gnetwerker 22:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC) edited 20:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

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Calls for recusal by IronDuke

3) Based on Gnetwerker's apparent connection with Reed College IronDuke has repeatedly called for Gnetwerker "recusing" himself from editing the article. However Gnetwerker's edits are within the usual accepted bounds of Misplaced Pages editing.

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Original research by Gnetwerker

4) Gnetworker, using either his status with Reed College or his investigatory skills, has from time to time relied on interviews with persons associated with Reed College or internal documents of Reed College as sources, see Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/IronDuke_and_Gnetwerker/Evidence#Original_research_by_Gnetwerker.

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This is a constant temptation when you have ready access to accurate inside information. The source for information in a Misplaced Pages article must be a reliable publication which is publicly available. Fred Bauder 15:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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Comment by Gnetwerker: :I will accept ArbCom's criticism here without complaint, as I agree that WP:NOR is essential to WP. However, I wish to point out the following:

• Architecture document: The document referred to in this part of IronDuke's complaint (The Reed College Heritage Master Plan) is, in fact, a public document (though not online). Further, this was not presented as evidence of an edit, but as a justifaction for removing and completely unsource, WP:V-violating edit, and in any case occurred far in advance of IronDuke's complaint. I hope that ArbCom will not consider that research in order to feel secure in removing other's unsupported POV is forbidden.
• Access to Officers of Reed: This is exactly the same situation as above, where -- in order to help disprove IronDuke's completely unsupported, uncited addition (the "heroin deaths" quote), I asked people long associated with Reed College about the issue. This was added to the Talk page only, not the article. Is it really not permitted to reference personal conversations in identifying that an unsupported edit is in fact false? How can one WP:V the negative proposition of "there is absolutely no evidence supporting IronDuke's heroin use assertions"?
• Reed Drug Use Survey: Similarly, in I was not claiming special access to Reed adminsitrators -- I supplied a phone number to allow IronDuke (or anyone else) to ascertain the truth. Again, this was on the Talk page, not in the article. Finally, I will stipulate that I did try to get Reed to publish a survey that would prove this issue. When it became clear that this wasn't going to be published (and may have been considered WP:NOR in any case), I voluntarily removed any reference to it from the article.

In summary, the understand and fully agree with Fred Bauder's position -- but I think that ArbCom should distinguish between comments on the Talk page used to discredit unsupported information in the article, and WP:NOR in the article itself. IronDuke challenged me to prove that his statement was false -- perhaps I should not have even tried, but the record shows that I (apparently) tried too diligently, and may now be reprimanded for it. -- Gnetwerker 22:11, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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Low quality tendentious editing by IronDuke

5) IronDuke has added derogatory material to Reed College which was not based on a reliable published source .

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IronDuke re-added this material three more times in quick succession. -- Gnetwerker 23:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

The information I added was not tendentious, nor was it low quality; it lacked citation. Frequently, additions are made to articles with the phrase "citation needed" in quotes. Since I could not come up with an appropriate citation for it, I quickly came to see that the removal of it was not only acceptable, but necessary. IronDuke 16:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

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Current editing of Reed College

6) While Gnetwerker continues to edit Reed College on a regular basis, IronDuke has not edited since January 18 when he was involved in the controversy over drug use.

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This finding affects remedies, there is no point in banning someone from an article who is not editing the article on a regular basis. Fred Bauder 16:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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IronDuke's repeated calls for Gnetwerker's "recusal" amounted to a personal attack

7) In 14 closely-spaced instances , , , , , , , , , , , , , , including on several third-parties' talk pages, IronDuke called for Gnetwerker to leave the Reed College page. The repeated accusations constitute "Using someone's affiliations as a means of dismissing or discrediting their views" (from WP:NPA), and "accusatory comments ... if said repeatedly".

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Submitted by Gnetwerker 22:51, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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IronDuke's Complaint is an Abuse of Process

8) The dispute on the Reed College page was resolved through mediation prior to IronDuke's filing of a request for arbitration, and IronDuke's filing of the action was primarily retaliatory against Gnetwerker. Because the issue was resolved, this is a "pointless dispute" per "Requests for arbitration ... should not be used for frivolous or pointless disputes and should not be used as a forum for personal attacks, harassment, and abuse".

"The dispute on the Reed College page was resolved." This was clearly not the case, for several reasons. 1) Gnetwerker continued to refactor my comments despite my strong and repeated objections. 2) Gnetwerker never addressed his own relationship to the college and 3) Gnetwerker began to make POV edits, reverting what I had done. And again: if my filing this case was abusive, I have little doubt that it would have been speedily rejected. IronDuke 17:01, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

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Submitted by Gnetwerker 23:07, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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Gnetwerker cautioned regarding discourtesy

1) Gnetwerker is cautioned regarding discourtesy.

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Gnetwerker cautioned regarding original research

2) Gnetwerker is cautioned to avoid using unpublished material as a source.

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IronDuke cautioned regarding unsourced material

3) IronDuke is cautioned regarding use of information, especially derogatory material, which does not have an adequate source in a reliable published source.

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All Comments Refactored to Reed College/Drug use dispute

5) The comments of both parties on this topic will be refactored to Talk:Reed_College/drug_use_dispute.

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Submitted by Gnetwerker 23:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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IronDuke is enjoined from further demands for Gnetwerker's "recusal" from Reed page

6) IronDuke will refrain from further demands that Gnetwerker "recuse" himself from editing the Reed page.

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Submitted by Gnetwerker 23:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

If arbcom decides that Gnetwerker's participation on the Reed College page is perfectly acceptable, it would be pointlss for me to demand his recusal. IronDuke 17:04, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

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