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Archive: 2005 2006

Thanks for your support

Thank you for supporting me in my request for adminship! It ended with a tally of 39/5/4, and I am now an admin. I'm glad to have earned the trust of the community, and I will make use of it responsibly. Of course, you can let me know of any comments or concerns you have.

With a million articles in front of me, I'd better get mopping.

rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 05:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you! Hi Ruud Koot, thank you for your support in my Rfa! It passed with a final tally of 86/0/0. If you need help or just want to talk let me know! Again, thank you! – Dakota ~ ° 23:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia 17:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

well done Dmharvey 17:10, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Good showing indeed (in spite of Dmharvey's playing the devil :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

And if I may suggest, probably it is not worth it visiting people's pages with a flowerbox as above thanking them, at least you may drop me if you do so. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:37, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

My congratulations also! --Allan McInnes (talk) 19:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Congrats! You achieved a perfect score! --Siva1979 14:46, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your support of my RfA

Thank you for your support of my successful request for adminship. I am honoured that the nomination was supported unanimously and that the community expressed confidence that I would use the tools wisely. If you have any concerns please let me know on my talk page. Congratulations also on your successful nomination. Regards A Y Arktos 02:02, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Esoteric languages

No worries. It's a fine line between usefully combining them and the combination producing confusion. I noticed that there were several very non-expert comments included but also several evidently knowledgeable people contributing to the debates...but few people actually commented on the full list which is what makes things difficult. You can be sure that if you list them separately, someone will say "why didn't you group them up?", but at least you can say why! I'm wondering what to do about the mega-nomination on Feb 25...perhaps leave to anohter admin... -Splash 20:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

3rr

Hi. You're younger (from your pic) than I thought you were (from your contribs)! Anyway, that to one side, the recent 3RR stuff. I would be inclined to say that you are right, but that its probably not that important. I also think that jpgordons unblock is odd and somewhat impolite. But, put it to one side and go on... William M. Connolley 19:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify, the above is about a disagreement on whether a certain troll should be blocked or not, with Ruud advocating blocking. (When I first quickly read through William's note, I understood that Ruud, the freshly elected admin nominated by me, managed to get blocked for 3RR, I even checked his blocklog. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about that, OA is right. Ruud knew what I meant :-) William M. Connolley 10:08, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Ruud, you blocked 134.84.5.71, who has 4 edits in history (March 7 only), but left Kuban kazak, who did 5 edits of reverts (with one-word "edits"). How is that? And what Previous version reverted to: menas? Thanks.--Oleh Petriv 20:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for explanation. One more recent revert added. Please pay attention to change Ukr - Rus this is the only important change.--Oleh Petriv 00:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

My block log

Hey Koot, I've been watching your actions regarding 3RR and I wonder if you could help me.

A couple of months ago (January 18) I was blocked by administrator Nv8200p. Fortunatelly I asked for administrator Bratsche's help and he managed to prove I had been unfairly blocked -- as you can check on Nv8200p talk page/Revision as of 04:26, 18 January 2006/Blocking of Lesfer.

Yesterday, however, I was taking a look at my block log and the block record is still there. This is wrong. It's as if I had been blocked and forgiven, which wasn't the case. I would like to ask you to erase that record if possible. Thanks, Lesfer 02:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it is possible to delete your blocklog, in the same way as one can't delete things from article history. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:16, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

It's possible, see my reply on Lesfer's talk page. —Ruud 03:18, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, Koot! Regards, Lesfer 17:36, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

The blocklog is still there . Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 19:40, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Maybe he thinks it isn't worth the effort. —Ruud 20:28, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Question regarding 3RR ban

R Koot, on the Administrator noticeboard you advised someone right below the reference to my case: "You were right in placing a warning on his talk page, this is even strongly adviced and admins may even dicide not to block for 3RR violation if this has not been done."

I was never dignified with a warning prior to my ban...I made a mistake and rather than be advised I was banned and now this record will be carried with me from this point forward. I really would appreciate if this would be striken in some manner as I have as netkinetic had a long and consistent history in my posting conduct. Regards. Netkinetic 00:25, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Arabic-English translation

Hi root! If you need any help in arabic-english translation, please let me know!

MB, forgot one word, in his translation.

It should say: Al-kitab al-mokhtasar fee hesab al-Jabr wa al-mokabala(title) - by Abi abdullah mohammed bin musa al-khwarzmi(author)

Rough translation on english:

The book of mathematics on algebra and combination - by Abi abdullah mohammed bin musa al-khwarzmi. Jidan

Can you please also do something regarding the people who continuosly keep labeling al-khwarzmi as persian. I think a natural and accurate term is Arab(Persian-born). You can read the sources and reasons i provided here: Talk:Al-Khwarizmi#ONLY_FACTS_-_Why_Al-khwarizmi_is_an_arab.21. Thank You! Jidan 01:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

oh, tt the bottom it says: printed in london. Christian year 1830.Jidan 01:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks root, i appreciate your effort. I think its really funny that the discusion on his ethnicity is more than 10 times the size of his main article!! LOOL ;-)Jidan 01:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

al-Khwarizmi

Thanks for your message. I understand your concerns, but as you know, online references are problematic to begin with and I wanted to use the others to not only back up the primary reference, but also to illustrate a point since it is often on WP that historical figures such as al-Khwarizmi are denied as being Persian. But you're correct, the others are not "proper" sources, but it does say quite a bit when a standard math text describes the man as being Persian, and a school or university text can be used to illustrate a point very effectively in resolving such a dispute. They might not be sources, but I think they can be used as online references when nothing else is easily available. As you know, even if something is established in history and referenced in all the primary texts, problem editors will constantly question them and demanding something they can see immediately. I'm sure that you can empathize when one is put in such a situation time and time again. Absurd situations often require absurd solutions. ;) At any rate, I agree with your introduction and I hope this will help resolve the dispute. Take care, SouthernComfort 14:18, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

About Scriptol

I have found your name in the history of the Scriptol page endorsing an attack against the Scriptol programming language and this is related to reasons I don't know.

I want just inform you that a search in Google with the words "Scriptol" returns 284 000 results. And apart the programming language, there is nothing else with this name.

Sincerely Splang 15:40, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

more Scriptol

Thanks for your note. I was just about to ask you how one finds the number of unique hits, but you answered that question already (I feel kinda dumb having not known that.. how many years have I been using Google?). I'm confused about this programming language though. How is it not notable? It might not have that many google hits, but it looks like people do use it. You know more about this than I do. Thanks. --Fang Aili 17:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I've changed my vote to delete. Cheers. --Fang Aili 17:23, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Just a question

In the page for deletion of Scriptol, the programming language (Why?), you seem to consider the submission of the Scriptol Compiler to many listings as a spam.
Is it not normal to submit a program to all major distributors or reviewers of software?
Really I don't understand this grimness.
Splang 08:57, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

spelling changes

Question for you: how does one deal with an anon user who keeps changing words to conform to British spelling? I ask him to stop, but he continues. --Fang Aili 20:19, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Changing spellign without a good reason can be considered vandalism, so I've given it another warning. Let me know if it continues. —Ruud 20:25, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

another question

Another question, if you don't mind. What's the policy on blanking one's own talk page? Is the policy different for registered users and anons? What WP policy pages talk about this? Thanks. --Fang Aili 20:37, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

The official policy guideline is at Misplaced Pages:User pages. Neither registered users, nor anons own their page, so if an anon removes warning messages from his/her user page your allowed to restore them, for example. —Ruud 20:46, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I was wondering because this guy is intent on blanking his talk page. But it looks like there isn't really a policy about blanking a talk page, unless there's needed information there (based on my reading of old talk messages). --Fang Aili 20:55, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't contain any warnings or things that must be kept, so it's not really a problem, but I've properly arcived it for him anyway. Cheers, —Ruud 21:07, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Stepping back

If you look further down the page, you'll see that I presented all three theories of his ethnicity. Instead of choosing one or the other, we step back and give all three, letting the readers decide. That is the usual WP solution to intractable conflicts, yes? Zora 00:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

I didn't intend to remove the footnotes, I just think that his name in Arabic and Persian should both be mentioned on top. Also, that section seems very clumsy and looks like a mess with all the links. Furthermore, please take a look at talk, I explained some more stuff there. --ManiF 16:31, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, well I think his Persian name Musa Khwarizmi should also be mentioned in Farsi. But that's not a big deal for me. I just don't wish to engage in a revert war, can you please keep the footnotes but change back the rest of the article to my last version which is based on the majority's vote and my explanation on talk. I already explained why user Zora's additions are not encyclopedic and very controversial. Such spaculatory statements shouldn't be added without a consensus on talk first. For example, there was not a single Turk in Khorasan back in 700-800...Regards. --ManiF 16:43, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I support proposal#1, and would suuport a slightly different version of proposal#2:

"Abū ‘Abd Allāh Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī (c.780 - 850) (Arabic: أبو عبد الله محمد بن موسى الخوارزمي, Persian: موسى خوارزمى) was a Muslim mathematician, astronomer, and geographer. He was born around 780, in either Khwarizm or Bagdad, and died around 850. Al-Khwarizmi was of Persian ancestry, however by the middle of the 8th century Pesia was under Arab occupation and al-Khwarizmi published his works in Arabic. Few details about his life are known."

--ManiF 17:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but Muslim and persian without arab is not OK. arab mathematican with persian ancestory is OK. Jidan 19:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Talk:al-Khwarizmi

Whoa. It most certainly wasn't, and I've got NO idea how that happened. I was only trying to leave that little comment at the bottom. My apologies! --InShaneee 21:17, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Due to constant re-editing, manipulation of words and deletions, I have put up the strong evidence of Khawarazmi's Persian origin here: http://www.azargoshnasp.net/wikipedia/khawarazmi.htm

If the other side has proof (and not just hypothetical argument) from ancient sources to counter the claims of the above mentioned article, they should bring it forth. Else, I believe the constant revision of the page should stop.

--Ali doostzadeh 19:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Here is what you have aked for: Talk:Al-Khwarizmi#Arab_mathematician_-_Articles Jidan 08:25, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

sockpuppet

I was wondering if you might help me deal with a sockpuppet of Splang (of Scriptol lore) called Michaelli. I don't know how to put in the evidence. Thanks muchly. --Fang Aili 02:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I've added the AfD as evidence, but you can change it if you wish, although I think it unlikely he will return. Goodnight, —Ruud 02:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --Fang Aili 16:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Delete

I have deleted it myself( I have put it, I believe I can remove it), not because you are right (you are not impartial and not honnest) but because Misplaced Pages is not so important, I lost to much time here and I am disgussed by this affair.

I delete also in wikibook and all references to these pages.

I am sure that 80-90 % of the languages here don't meet your criteria (some of them, has not even a compiler), but it is no longer my problem. I'll cease to contribute to Misplaced Pages and gain of lost of time, I'll spend to write programs in Scriptol.

Don't believe you have reason: this is just that Misplaced Pages is not so important.

Splang 12:16, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Madea's Family Reunion

Thank you for the attention, but FYI - using yet another IP address 68.1.71.253, she has reverted the page yet again. I'm not sure how to best address this - I am hesitant to revert the page again, lest I, myself, violate 3RR. Is there a way to address/deal with it/her? Mhking 16:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Difficult one. I've protected the page so s/he can't evade hir block. I've asked for advice at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#marcyu_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29. You may wish to comment there as well. —Ruud 16:13, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

User Dariush

Hello Ruud! Thanks for the note. I had explained to the guy how to proceed... Adding Persian is ok but deleting other info is not. I hope he'd understand. cheers -- Szvest 19:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello Ruud! Why are you rolling back my edits? I'm not a vandal, neither is Dariush. I always explain my edits either in the edit summery or talk. Please understand that the majority of the medieval Islamic scientist were Persian by origin but their origin has been under attack by Pan-Arabists who want to claim these people as their own. Just look at what In Khaldun who is believed to have been an Arab says about this issue:

• …It is a remarkable fact that, with few exceptions, most Muslim scholars…in the intellectual sciences have been non-Arabs…thus the founders of grammar were Sibawaih and after him, al-Farisi and Az-Zajjaj. All of them were of Persian descent…they invented rules of (Arabic) grammar…great jurists were Persians… only the Persians engaged in the task of preserving knowledge and writing systematic scholarly works. Thus the truth of the statement of the prophet becomes apparent, 'If learning were suspended in the highest parts of heaven the Persians would attain it"…The intellectual sciences were also the preserve of the Persians, left alone by the Arabs, who did not cultivate them…as was the case with all crafts…This situation continued in the cities as long as the Persians and Persian countries, Iraq, Khorasan and Transoxiana (modern Central Asia), retained their sedentary culture."

Regards. --ManiF 21:08, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. Thanks for your comment. I'll try to find better sources regarding Gaber, but I'm sure he's Persian as well. You have to understand that some of these misconceptions about these scientists origins have found their way into dictionaries and encyclopedias. Commonly these scientists are all believed to be Arab in the West, simply because they wrote many or all of their works in Arabic which was the scholarly language of the time, and also because for many westerners, Arab and Muslim are one and the same, which they aren't. --ManiF 21:52, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Can you please take look at this , that's a personal attack and provocation.

Oh and by the way, I think I found a better source about Gaber which calls him "Iranian Muslim Philosopher" . I'm still looking for more sources though. --ManiF 04:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Congrats

Congrats on becoming an admin! I was hoping you could help with something. In deletion review (and the deletion process for that matter) and article was deleted that I believe should not have been. User:Tony Sidaway agrees. The article was deleted for notability, but the person in question was mentioned in about a dozen different mainstream media articles, included a recent front page article in the New York Times. Can you take a look and vote accordingly? The review is here. Misplaced Pages:Deletion Review#John Bambenek. Thanks. -- Alpha269 04:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Need Advice

Hello Ruud, Recently you had banned my edits for 24 hours. However, I understood the reason, which was OK. Aslo, I needed to spend the day with my family, so it worked out well.

However I am very concerned that a few individuals are circumventing the rules and ideology of Misplaced Pages which I believe is a violation of the spirit and intent of Misplaced Pages.

I had read that I should contact an administrator first. I would like to email you more specific information. I thought I had read somewhere here that you could be emailed but I can't find an email for you. Would you be the right one to send these concerns to? Thanks, I appreciate any help you can provide. Steth 23:40, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Suuprised and disappointed

I'm surprised and disappointed that you of all people would endorse a strongly-worded lopsided accusatory statement against us, without having been involved in the case. I doubt you are even familiar with User:Aucaman's disruptive tactics and activities, which is what our RFC was all about. --ManiF 19:42, 15 March 2006 (UTC)