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June 2011

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Pribina. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.

In particular, the three-revert rule states that:

1. Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Cntras (talk) 06:32, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

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WP ANI

Hello Omen1229,

I would like to notify you that there being a discussion at WP ANI in which you have been mentioned. --Nmate (talk) 12:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I don´t see any racist in my user page. All sources are from wikipedia.org and I have not changed anything. This is your another personal attack. I am not racist! Please don´t insult me! WP:BATTLEGROUND Do you know what is racism? Ethnic conflicts: "Debates over the origins of racism often suffer from a lack of clarity over the term. Many use the term "racism" to refer to more general phenomena, such as xenophobia and ethnocentrism, although scholars attempt to clearly distinguish those phenomena from racism as an ideology or from scientific racism, which has little to do with ordinary xenophobia." You wrote in Revision history of Lake Balaton a about name in Slovak language: based on what? No importance at all! Slovaks have never been lived in the neighborhood

some articles about Lake Balaton in Hungarian language with Slovak name Blatenské jazero: http://hu.wikipedia.org/Balaton http://hu.wikipedia.org/Port%C3%A1l:Balaton

Advice

You could have saved some trouble by making it clearer that your user page is a statement of your point of view, along the lines of "I believe from my reading of the relevant history that..."

It is generally fine to express a belief or opinion on your user page, and to give others a good idea of your perspective on important matters. It is best to do this in a way that shows sensitivity to the Misplaced Pages ideals of understanding, compromise, and following the sources. In other words, it is best to sound more like a scholar and less like a demagogue.

I have closed the discussion at this point and I suggest you disengage from Nmate or at least restrict your discussions to specific changes to content supported from good sources. Guy (Help!) 16:59, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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Hi

Well, regarding historical demographics of the Kingdom of Hungary, modern geneticists undoubtedly confirmed that modern Hungarians are descendants of local Indo-European peoples and not descendants of old Hungarians who came to Central Europe in the 9th century. Therefore, number of these old Hungarians certainly could not be larger than 25-30,000. Historical science is not exact science so, no matter that some Hungarian historians claimed that from 400,000 to 1,000,000 old Hungarians came to central Europe this cannot be confirmed by any genetical research and if one historian and one geneticist are having dispute about origins of certain population, the geneticist would be always right. However, main problem with Demographics of Hungary article is the fact that user Hobartimus is strongly pushing certain POV and I do not have enough free time to be involved in revert warring with him there. There are some other more creative things that I would rather do instead. Also, there are two other things that I want to discuss with you: Can you please see my post there: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Principality_of_Nitra#Map_of_the_Principality.3F I hope that you can say which border represents what in this map: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qNwtg5trdGo/TdUTswI7EUI/AAAAAAAAAa0/zYo1RsbRc3M/s1600/Nitra+Neutra+Nyitra+Nitriansko.jpg Is border of Nitra Principality only area with lines in left part of the map or whole marked area (or perhaps marked area represent Slovak ethnic territory?).I want to draw similar map for Misplaced Pages, but I am not sure about exact interpretation of borders in this source. The second thing that I want to ask you is this: do you know some good source with list of historical Slovak names for cities in Slovakia? I believe that historical Slovak names should be listed together with historical Hungarian and German ones in certain articles, in the way like I used them here: It would be very wrong that readers of articles gain wrong impression that Slovak names for these towns are "new" and "non-historical". Therefore, instead "Pozsony (today Bratislava)" we should say "Pozsony (Slovak: Požúň, today Bratislava)" (if we speak about period of Hungarian administration) or "Pressburg (Slovak: Prešporok, today Bratislava)" (if we speak about period of Habsburg/Austrian administration). So, do you know some good source where all these historical Slovak names could be found? Perhaps we can create an new article named Historical Slovak exonyms? PANONIAN 18:10, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

400,000 to 1,000,000 old Hungarians... Colossal army :-D The amount reminds me Xerxes’ army in 300 film

1. This is new map by MM. Red area: Slavs of Nitrian Principality (area inhabited by Slavic people with main connection to the Nitra or sphere of influence), Red area with diagonals: the core of principality, Purple border line: Northern borders of Avar Khaganate until 780, Brown - yellow lines: roads, Circle: Slavonic tribes (period before the Principality of Nitra), Big pink point: slavic cultural centrum, fortress, Small red point: slavic settlement, Purple cross: still standing buildings identified as Great Moravian, Green corss: churches builded between 820 - 900, Underlined name: historical name, The arrow: attack of Slavs from Moravian Principality

2. You have a good idea to create an new article named Historical Slovak exonyms. Slovak names are definitely older than Hungarian. Good sources are books by Ján Stanislav. In his books Slovenský juh v stredoveku I.-II. (1948; 1999, 2004) are thousands historical Slovak names (+ maps) of cities, rivers, mountains in Hungary. But I don´t know some web database with names. I will search more infos and I will inform you.

OK, thanks for clarification. Actually, I can read Slovak text in that map (it is not much different from Serbian), but I was not sure what were borders of principality (and that was not clearly specified in map legend). I am not going to make exactly same map like in that link, but only some simplified version with presented principality borders and main cities. By the way, I just created an article about historical Serbian exonyms in Vojvodina: Former Serbian exonyms (Vojvodina) (it is actually only partially written since there are a lot more exonyms to be included here - seems lot more than I originally thought), and article with similar form could be created for Slovak exonyms too (I might start that one as well when I finish first one with Serbian exonyms). After these articles are finished, we would have valuable lists of historical exonyms that we can later use in various historical articles. Anyway, I am not able to use books of Ján Stanislav, so I am afraid that I would had to stick to web sources.Of course, if you have these books, you can use them to expand article. PANONIAN 17:44, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

OK and I will inform you.

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Jozef Murgaš

Ahoj. Pre clanok Jozef Murgaš plati http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Elonka/Hungarian-Slovakian_experiment

Naming convention

Before 1918: the first reference of one name in an article should also include a reference to other names, e.g. "Eperjes (Prešov)" or "Prešov (Eperjes)". In biographies of clearly Slovak persons, the name should be used in the form "Prešov (Eperjes)" and later "Prešov" exclusively

Bol si tam revertnuty nejakym madarskym redaktorom ale nepravom.--LastLion (talk) 14:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Dakujem za info, napravim tie nazvy --Omen1229 (talk) 14:29, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Čo som tak zbežne pozeral tak podobný problém je aj u Hviezdoslava.--LastLion (talk) 16:23, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

OK--Omen1229 (talk) 21:05, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

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Edit warring at Magyarization

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.

The complete report of this case is at WP:AN3#User:Omen1229 reported by User:Nmate (Result: 31h). EdJohnston (talk) 16:40, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Nationalist editing in eastern Europe is subject to WP:DIGWUREN sanctions

The Arbitration Committee has permitted administrators to impose discretionary sanctions (information on which is at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions) on any editor who is active on pages broadly related to Eastern Europe. Discretionary sanctions can be used against an editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. If you engage in further inappropriate behavior in this area, you may be placed under sanctions, which can include blocks, a revert limitation, or an article ban. The Committee's full decision can be read in the Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Final decision section of the decision page. Please familiarise yourself with the information page at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions, with the appropriate sections of Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Procedures, and with the case decision page.

You're being warned under DIGWUREN because you broke 3RR at Magyarization, an article where nationalist disputes have occurred in the past. If you take care to work for talk page consensus before making risky changes, you should be able to avoid any further trouble. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 16:46, 13 August 2011 (UTC)