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Archives coming soon (as soon as I will figure out how to use them...)-- Someone35 (talk) 14:08, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Why there was "mass deletion" in the climate pages

Misplaced Pages pages (outside of list class pages) are not meant to be mere collection of lists, image galleries, nor harbor information which is not well-referenced. The deleted information failed on all counts. Check out the pages which discuss what should and should not be within wikipedia articles at the Manual of Style (MoS) page, and its companion pages, such as What wikipedia is not. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:06, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

New Delhi

Please do not make unexplained edits such as this one that destroy precision. The previous source was precise only to the nearest 1 °C, while I had added a source that gave temperatures to the nearest 0.1 °C. Therefore, your edit can be deemed an unexplained removal of information, which is forbidden on this site. –HXL's Roundtable and Record 15:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

you put an incorrect number saying that in new delhi the average temperature in winter is 0 degrees, which is wrong. so i replaced it with the real number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Someone35 (talk • contribs)

which I have since corrected. However, you did switch the table used, and I even provided a link to show you what exactly you did. –HXL's Roundtable and Record 18:13, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

nothing was changed, see that in yourself

POV tag use

Hi there, You need to explain in detail what needs to be changed to make the article NPOV when you place a tag like this one . Also, when you delete sourced information as you did here, you should explain your removal on the talk page. Tiamut 18:04, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Similarly, please don't mark major edits as "minor", as occurred in this instance. Thank you,  – OhioStandard (talk) 13:43, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Green precip and rain

I will revert your edits first, and expect you not to WP:EDIT WAR in response. Instead, I want you to come to Template talk:Weather box to sort this out. Also, since you could somehow add sunshine hour data to NY, could you do the same for Los Angeles? Also, you need to add a specific link for the sunshine hour data for San Francisco, or else it will be considered unsourced. Thanks. —HXL's Roundtable and Record 03:35, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

We have discussed this before. Please stop blanket reversions back to blue without reason. I will let it go for Shreveport, Louisiana as, without a graph, the blue performs a significantly better job at presenting subtle differences in precip amounts, but the same could not be said for Baton Rouge, and especially not Seattle. As a rule, never revert to blue when there are seasonal peaks in rainfall (i.e. Mediterranean or monsoonal climate). Also, consistent 90%+ for London? I find that exceptionally difficult to believe...those numbers would be more typical for areas lying immediately on the coastline, which Heathrow certainly isn't... —HXL's Roundtable and Record 03:23, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

{{London weatherbox}}

Basically, {{Weather box}} can only accommodate 2 fields for sources, so to make that work I merged the 4 sources into 2 lines. Deryck C. 00:58, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

ok thank you very much--Someone35 (talk) 11:02, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

By the way, you still have not answered my query regarding the amount of snowfall London receives. How can it have 47 cm of snow annually when Philadelphia, which has a daily average in January barely above 0 °C, has 49? If this figure does not include the recent snowy winters, I would be very surprised. Oh, and do respond here. —Xiaoyu: 聊天 (T) 和 贡献 (C) 04:56, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

you didn't ask me anything until now... and temperatures have nothing to do with snowfall, take for example Barrow, Alaska and Kutchan, Hokkaido. kutchan has over 10 times more snowfall than barrow even though barrow is significantly colder. i took the snowfall data from NOAA so it can't be wrong. i also cited it for case you'll want to check it in yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Someone35 (talk • contribs)

Yes, I did; you evidently didn't watch my talk page, and that is your fault, not mine. And please learn how to properly format your talk page responses.

"nothing to do with snowfall"? That is an exaggeration. I don't have to explain why.

The example you cited shows only the difference between a coastal Arctic climate and a mid-latitude continental climate that receives tremendous ocean-effect snow during the winter. The winter temperature difference between Philadelphia and London is only a matter of 3.75 °C. Unless I am missing something, it seems that it is much more difficult for it to snow in London as: 1) if winds are generally from the west, there needs to be a cold air mass well in place, but the westerly winds are responsible for keeping London's winters as absurdly warm as they are... 2) The heavier snow events tend to result from an easterly flow from Russia, which is rare. —Xiaoyu: 聊天 (T) 和 贡献 (C) 14:57, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

it is all cited, you can check it out in yourself as i said before--Someone35 (talk) 16:21, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

No, the links you have posted are all dead, so how can I view them? —Xiaoyu: 聊天 (T) 和 贡献 (C) 16:37, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

the citation i posted for the snowfall and humidity data does work, here it is -_-...

BRD at Palestinian political violence

Please read WP:BRD. It describes the bold, revert, discuss cycle. You made a bold edit, I reverted with the edit summary "please use the talk page to explain the reasons for the tag and for restoration of the images that were removed", you should then open a discussion on the article talk page. You also added a tag. Yoiu cannot add a tag with providing reasons on the talk page. See Template:Split2. Also, you added Template:Pp-protected. You are not an admin so you cannot do that and it won't work. Furthermore, you cited vandalism as the reason. There hasn't been any vandalism. Read WP:VANDAL. I have made a number on individual edits which remove the material you have added. Each one has an edit summary that explains why. Please do not restore any of this material to the article without addressing the issues raised in the edit summaries and using the talk page of the article. The article is covered by discretionary sanctions. Please read about them. Sean.hoyland - talk 04:39, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

why was that picture removed? why can't i add the terrorism tag to something that's obviously terrorism? how is this going to help anyone if i post this in the talk page? if only admins are allowed to semi lock pages, why can i add this in myself? do you really expect anyone to read that much just to add a picture and a tag to an article? i'll post this on the talk page and then re-post that edit--Someone35 (talk) 05:04, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

hmmm...many questions

• You need to see the edit summary for the reasons I removed each image. One was a duplicate used later in the article. The others are non-free and need detailed rationales explaining exactly why they are being used in that article. It's mandatory. You cannot restore the images without addressing that. See Misplaced Pages:Non-free use rationale guideline.
• I didn't do anything to the terrorim template. I removed the split2|Palestinian cause tag. You must explain your policy based reasons for proposing to do something. Just tagging an article without explaining why on the talk page is called drive-by tagging and it isn't accepted.
• You adding the semi-lock tag doesn't do anything and you may have noticed that the lock wasn't visible on the page. The article isn't protected. It can only be protected by an admin.
• Yes, I hope you read about the discretionary sanctions if you want to continue editing in the Israel-Palestine conflict topic area. It's in your own interest to do so. Sean.hoyland - talk 05:23, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

so if i will find another picture of a terrorist attack i will be able to add it to the page? i didn't add the split tag then why can i see the template page explaining how to semi lock pages? i'm sure that most people who edit these articles haven't read it...--Someone35 (talk) 05:49, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

If the image is pertinent to the topic and a good illustration of some aspect of the subject of the article then yes assuming licencing/copyright etc are okay e.g. it's public domain for etc. I would recommend that you get into the habit of discussing things on article talk pages though especially in this contentious topic area. If you have a image you want to add, add it, if someone removes it, open a discussion explaining why you think it adds value to the article. You added the split tag here. Perhaps you didn't mean to. Anyone can see template pages. Anyone can add anything to articles. You could add "<insert name of celeb you don't like> is a stupid fat idiot" to their article. The only thing stopping you is that it is not allowed by policy. Sean.hoyland - talk 07:32, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

By the way, I noticed that at the Palestinian political violence article you added the terrorism template but at the Zionist political violence article you added the nationalism template. That is one of the most transparently and hilariously biased edits I have seen for a very long time...so thank you for that. Please try to be more balanced and neutral in your editing if you can. I know it's not always easy. That is why I suggested that you read the discretionary sanctions. Sean.hoyland - talk 10:23, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

i don't remember i put a split page tag but whatever.

and zionist political violence happened before anybody used the word terror attacks and it was used in order to press the british government to end the british mandate therefore it's nationalism, unlike sending suicide bombers to places like tel aviv that have nothing to do with the israeli occupation in the west bank. there is also a page for zionist terrorism, Kahanism--Someone35 (talk) 11:37, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

A pie for you!

lol i like pie Someone35 (talk) 05:07, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:FPC

Hey, it's nice to see a new nominator at featured picture candidates, but I would not advise floding the page with your nominations- three is probably a good number for now! J Milburn (talk) 11:07, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

thanks, i have another picture that i took while i was in south africa (this one) but i'll save it for later, could you please check out my user page and see which of my pictures could possibly get a featured picture award? --Someone35 (talk) 11:11, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Your pictures are good, there's no doubt about that, but FP is a high bar. You'll probably get some very useful feedback on your current nominations- don't be disheartened if your images aren't promoted. None of my photos are featured, either- as I say, it's a high bar. J Milburn (talk) 11:18, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

k thanks, by the way do you know why i can't edit any of my pictures? i fixed the horizon tilt in the picture of the coast in maine but it doesn't let me to update the photo now (the button disappeared)

Click "upload file" on the left- you can then upload it under a different file name, or the same one (in which case it will be saved over the top of your old one). J Milburn (talk) 13:50, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

NH leaves picture

Nice photo that you added to New Hampshire. Could you be more specific in the caption about its location? That would make it more valuable, I think. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 13:01, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

It was somewhere in northern NH near mount Washington--Someone35 (talk) 13:05, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

July 2011

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Perth, Western Australia, please cite a reliable source for your addition. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. See Misplaced Pages:Citing sources for how to cite sources, and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Bidgee (talk) 07:59, 14 July 2011 (UTC) that information can be found in the page jerusalem and is already cited there, there's no point in citing something twice--Someone35 (talk) 08:01, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

urm you still have to cite it even if it is in a different article however that is original research by using the data, you will need a sourced stating it. Bidgee (talk) 08:08, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

k i cited it now — Preceding unsigned comment added by Someone35 (talk • contribs) 08:16, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

You can't use Misplaced Pages article's to cite content. You need a reliable and verifiable source(s) which state it has the same/similar climate. Bidgee (talk) 08:22, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

i cited a section which is cited therefore what i cited is cited so i cited a cited content which is supposed to be ok--Someone35 (talk) 08:57, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

my picture is featured!!!!

Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Har_Ari_panorama.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates. Someone35 (talk) 11:06, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Please see the nomination page. Makeemlighter (talk) 11:23, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

your comment wasn't there when the voting ended. also you supported the picture then how exactly is the picture not promoted? weak opposes count as -0.5 and not -1 therefore my image IS promoted... --Someone35 (talk) 15:46, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

It's not featured, to be featured you need AT LEAST 5 supports. I've removed the tag from the image and requested the blank local file for it to be deleted as a purely maintenance issue, the file is located on Commons. Please review promotion rules for FPC before you take unilateral steps here. Secondly involved parties can't closed FPC's, so as the nominator you can't promote anyway. — raekyt 16:02, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

where is this written? it doesn't say anything about having 5 votes in wp:fpc...--Someone35 (talk) 16:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

In the top header it has the criteria for promotion, 4 votes excluding the nominator, or 5 including. And a 2/3rds majority. — raekyt 16:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

k saw it---- Someone35  07:42, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Request

Hello! Could you write an article about my city - Żagań on Hebrew Misplaced Pages? I would be thankful. Only 2-4 sentences enough. Saganum (talk) 22:37, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

why do you need an article about this town on the hebrew wikipedia?--Someone35 (talk) 07:05, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I would like, that article about my city will be written in as many languages. Now, article about Żagań was written in 39 language versions. Saganum (talk) 13:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

but 39 languages is enough and it's a minor town with only 40,000 people. i would suggest you to expand the article in the polish and english wikipedias if you want your town to become famous, maybe i'll translate it to hebrew if i have time, and by the way do you pronounce it as zagan or sagan or something else?--Someone35 (talk) 13:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

OK, you don't have to write this article in hebrew language. I'll look for another person. If you are interested, pronounciation sounds something like "ja-ganj" Saganum (talk) 22:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

you can try user:ori, he wrote tons of pages in hebrew

Template:Cleanup-link rot on Babylon (program)

Hi.

{{Cleanup-link rot}} is placed on an article when the article has either bare URL, simple URLs or URLs that are susceptible to link rot. Babylon article has multiple.

I won't touch them; people insult me. Fleet Command (talk) 11:25, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

ok, i thought it is only about bare urls in the external links section, you can undo my edit if you want to--Someone35 (talk) 11:54, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Tip about deletion debates

Thank you for your comments, which you added in discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/CTERA Networks (2nd_nomination). Please note that, on Misplaced Pages, consensus is determined by discussion, not voting, and it is the quality of arguments that counts, not the number of people supporting a position. Consider reading about the deletion policy for a brief overview of the deletion process and how we decide what to keep and what to delete. I hope you decide to stay and contribute even more. Thank you! Marokwitz (talk) 10:23, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

isn't it like in featured pictures candidates where it's a democracy? if 10 people are against deleting the page and one person supports it then the page can still be deleted? why? can't it be a 2/3 majority like in featured pictures/articles candidates?--Someone35 (talk) 12:44, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid that consensus as defined by Misplaced Pages is not a purely democratic process. See WP:!VOTE. Votes without reasonable accompanying rationales receive little consideration unless you also explain why you are voting the way you are, based on Misplaced Pages policies (in this case, notability guidelines). Votes without rationales sometimes are ignored. Feel free to go into the deletion discussion and amend your !vote with stronger arguments, you may do so as long as it is still open. Marokwitz (talk) 13:53, 1 August 2011 (UTC):

ok--Someone35 (talk) 13:56, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Reykjavik's-church

hi, nice photo. i migrated it to wikipedia english with a fair use tag here: , and incorporated it into the Hallgrímskirkja article, hope you don't mind. Slowking4: 7@1|x 15:28, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

no problem, but a bot seems to be doing problems because of this license, btw how do you migrate an image between different wikis? you just upload it again to en.wikipedia.org?-- Someone35 (talk) 12:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

why do u insisting on changing photos

hi there, still not understand why are u changing files, the older pic is better, show more ppl (from a higer position and probably taken later on, when more ppl was there) and yes it does show the Azriely towers much better but thats not the subject,.

• http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Israel_Housing_Protests_Tel_Aviv_August_6_2011a.jpg
• http://en.wikipedia.org/File:August_rally_tel_aviv.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by SadRobot (talk • contribs) 01:17, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

no, you said that when i put my image third it looked like the first one so i replaced it with the first one-- Someone35 (talk) 06:46, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

once again, the older pic looks better - it looked like the first and look worse - why are u insist? the older pic show twice the ppl - ur pic show a nice skyline please put the old one back (not to mention it's not under common share license) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SadRobot (talk • contribs) 13:21, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

August 2011

Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Misplaced Pages, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to File:August rally tel aviv.jpg with this edit, did not appear to be constructive, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Tgeairn (talk) 08:40, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

stalker...-- Someone35 (talk) 08:48, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Revert at Qula

All Israel/Palestine articles are subject to special rules that includes WP:1RR. See the notice I just added to the top of Talk:Qula. You just broke this rule. You should revert your own edit right away so that you won't be blocked. Zero 13:54, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I will report you if you do not self-revert. Ill give it an hour or so. Instructing others not to edit-war while edit-warring is amusing but not acceptable. That you feel entitled to remove a reliable source because you think you know better is also amusing but likewise not acceptable. nableezy - 14:42, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

"Often there is also a requirement to discuss each of the reversions on the talk page". Also you reverted MY edits not vice versa. Finish the discussion in the talk page before you revert my edits. Don't threat me because I should report YOU.-- Someone35 (talk) 19:04, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

You have been reported to Arbitration Enforcement. You can see this here. nableezy - 19:52, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll respond there tomorrow, it's 23:05 now and I need to go to sleep-- Someone35 (talk) 20:04, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Qula

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.

In particular, the three-revert rule states that:

1. Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 22:55, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Palestinian rabbis

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.

In particular, the three-revert rule states that:

1. Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 22:57, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Violation of the WP:1RR restriction at Qula

Notice to administrators: In a March 2010 decision, the Committee held that "Administrators are prohibited from reversing or overturning (explicitly or in substance) any action taken by another administrator pursuant to the terms of an active arbitration remedy, and explicitly noted as being taken to enforce said remedy, except: (a) with the written authorization of the Committee, or (b) following a clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors at a community discussion noticeboard (such as WP:AN or WP:ANI). If consensus in such discussions is hard to judge or unclear, the parties should submit a request for clarification on the proper page. Any administrator that overturns an enforcement action outside of these circumstances shall be subject to appropriate sanctions, up to and including desysopping, at the discretion of the Committee."

The case was discussed at in this thread at Arbitration Enforcement. EdJohnston (talk) 02:35, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Notice of discretionary sanctions under WP:ARBPIA

The Arbitration Committee has permitted administrators to impose discretionary sanctions (information on which is at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions) on any editor who is active on pages broadly related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Discretionary sanctions can be used against an editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. If you engage in further inappropriate behavior in this area, you may be placed under sanctions, which can include blocks, a revert limitation, or an article ban. The Committee's full decision can be read in the Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#Final decision section of the decision page. Please familiarise yourself with the information page at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions, with the appropriate sections of Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Procedures, and with the case decision page.

— EdJohnston (talk) 02:39, 24 August 2011 (UTC)