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Explanation

Yuo know nothing about the situation.

• First of all what I did was no Wikistalking. These articles all are on my watchlist.
• Personal attack in edit summary :Undid revision 453025469 by Nmate (talk) Vandalism > deleted References by historians
• Personal attack in edit summary :Undid revision 453027518: Vandalism > Nmate deleted Reference by Anatol Murad (US professor
• One of the contributors of this very discussion at WP ANI is a sockpuppet of User:Bizovne's and a meatpuppet of User:Iaaasi's as can be seen from his block log
• You do not know who User:Iadrian yu is (one of the contributors of this very discussion at WP ANI ) See this edit summary:

Reverted 1 edit by Rokarudi; Unification of Transilvania with Romania is a fact not a POV. Because Hungarian ultra-nationalists claim Transilvania we can`t mention facts? . (TW))

• Personal attack today by the user who reported me at WP ANI Vandalism by Nmate, Please don´t delete References by historians
• Another personal attack today by the user who reported me at WP ANI Vandalism by Nmate, Please don´t delete References by historians + dead link)

Also, these edit definitely were not in good faith:

• But these stats are fictitious, because the Hungarian government manipulated the census figures, counting non-Magyars as Magyars.
• By 1910 census, which had been manipulated by the ruling Hungarian bureaucracy

these edits are very hostile, unencyclopedic, and contains a very contentous POV material

And in addition, these changes cover the article Magyarization for which Omen1229 received an ArbCom warning :

• You're being warned under DIGWUREN because you broke 3RR at Magyarization, an article where nationalist disputes have occurred in the past. If you take care to work for talk page consensus before making risky changes, you should be able to avoid any further trouble.

Withal, an absolutely guaranteed way to create disharmony and disruption on Misplaced Pages is to spark off an ethnic dispute. The easiest way to do that is to go round to a bunch of articles changing round peoples nationality and changing the place names from one language to another. However, one of the primary interest of Omen1229's to Misplaced Pages is to change a place names from one language to another, and to try to insert information about ethnic assimilation and children deportation committed by ferocious Hungarians and his sources usually come from semi facist organizations like Slovenska matica as can be seen from his contributions: Also, this topic heading is also a personal attack, just as saying that "I think he has any mental disorder, because I don´t attack someone" in this report. --Nmate (talk) 11:28, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

What did I call vandalism? Omen1229 called my reverts vandalism as I pointed out above, and my diffs prove that.--Nmate (talk) 11:51, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

An this is the second insulting topic heading about me at WP ANI.--Nmate (talk) 11:53, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Then grow thicker skin. I hate to be a jerk because I'm actually quite nice, but it seems you wont get it any other way. You are being aggressive when you stalk folk's contribs and undo all of their edits. That is aggressive. If you dont want to be called aggressive, then quit being aggressive. It's that simple. Take it to Omen1229's talk page and discuss the changes in a way that leads to compromise. And learn to use the preview button before you submit. I dont need to see 10 yellow bars on my screen.--v/r - TP 11:58, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

I whish you to be nice, but you answered not a word to what I have said. It was Omen1229 who called my edits vandalism. As for wikihounding, I do not need to follow other people around ,in order to make any revert there, it is enuogh for me to take a glance at my watchlist. One of the articles being edit warred over is on the top of my frequently edited articles:

I am not sure what you mean by grow thicker skin, but there is a similar saying in my mothe tounge which is used for someone who is insolent. It was Omen1229 who called my edits vandalism ,which are personal attacks one by one. As for wikihounding, please read what is written about wikihounding in Misplaced Pages:

• Wikihounding is the singling out of one or more editors, and joining discussions on multiple pages or topics they may edit or multiple debates where they contribute, in order to repeatedly confront or inhibit their work. This is with an apparent aim of creating irritation, annoyance or distress to the other editor. Wikihounding usually involves following the target from place to place on Misplaced Pages

However, these articles all cover my interesting field, they are on my watchlist ,and I am able to prove that I have contributed to them all in the past. Also, I visited Omen1229's talk page where I said him that his edits appear to be chauvinistic. As I said above, his primary interest on Misplaced Pages are to go round to a bunch of articles changing round peoples nationality and changing the place names from one language to another ,which are something that may be indictable by an ArbCom injunction . This is not a good faith effort but a disruptive one. Also, Omen1229 removed a Hungarian name to someone whose ethnicity is disputed with an edit summary of "Magyarized name (used only in Hungary) is not important for English article. Karol Hingis (02. 05. 1951) is Slovak from Košice, only speaks Hungarian. His sisters are Eva, Marta, Helena and brothers Ľudovít and"

And then said user started a mass campaign by adding Slovak names for clear Hungarian persons like here .

And when I asked said user about it, his answer was entirely unintellegible::

"? I deleted vague and Magyarized name of Slovak Karol Hingis in article about Martina Hingis. Do you understand? Please stop with Personal attack and deleted Refererences in aticles, because Misplaced Pages is not a battleground. Thank you!"

--Nmate (talk) 13:19, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

You don't seem to get it. WP:3RR doesn't care. Unless it is blatant vandalism or negative unsourced BLP issues, you cannot edit war. You will be blocked. It gets no more clear than that.--v/r - TP 13:31, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:3RR doesn't care about it, but what about Wikihounding and grow thicker skin?--Nmate (talk) 13:37, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

If Omen1229 was WP:Wikihounding, is not an excuse for your behavior. Frankly, I don't see Wikihouding, and if anything, I see Wikistalking on your part. Quit edit warring. Also, keep in mind that I already warned Omen1229 earlier this morning for his edit warring behavior as well .--v/r - TP 13:41, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Here is discussion about me without me :-) My explanation about Karol Hingis for TP: He is Slovak and speaks Hungarian + Czech + English + German + another languages... What will be form? Karol (Template:Lang-hu, Template:Lang-cz, Template:Lang-en, Template:Lang-de)? I think Info about name of Karol is irrelevant in artcle about Martina Hingis. --Omen1229 (talk) 15:41, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm not getting into the content dispute with you two. That is for you two to discuss and solve. The point is, Omen1229, that when an editor reverts your edits that means those edits are contested. You must discuss those edits on the talk page and find a consensus. Continuing to reinsert those back into the articles is edit warring. It needs to stop. I'm not picking sides, I'll be happy to block both of you if the behavior continues.--v/r - TP 15:43, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

OK. --Omen1229 (talk) 15:48, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sigtuna Cricket Club

Hi! I was a bit curious about your close of this AfD. The only keep vote was obviously unacceptable. Thanks!--Yaksar (let's chat) 21:42, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

There was no consensus to delete, so I closed it as no consensus.--v/r - TP 01:48, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Please Help !

Deletion review for Mahan Mitra

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Mahan Mitra. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 59.93.247.38 (talk) 23:07, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Limitations on copyrightability: Ideas and facts vs. expression; merger doctrine; scènes à faire in IP law in Canada

I commented directly on the page to your deletion, but one of your friends saw fit to delete this:

• So what's wrong with using Misplaced Pages as a source for legal advice? Nobody's claiming to be a legal practitioner. If we followed your rationale there would be no articles about law at all. Perhaps it could be argued that a small part of the article was synthesis, but that's a reason for improving the article rather than suppressing it. Of course, improving requires more work than deletion. Proving that it is not synthesis would be to prove a negative; where is the proof that it is essentially a synthesis? I cannot comment on your made-up word "userfy" or on your meaningless reference to "become a web host." I also note than none of those wanting the deletion were Canadian, and all those wanting an alternative were Canadian. I have not reviewed the history of the comparable topic in US law, but I'm sure that it developed over a much longer time than the article here in question. I also disagree with efforts to quash further discussion by asking others to stop posting to this page. After I made my first comments I came back frequently to look for constructive discussiion; there hasn't been anything of the sort from the deletionists. Eclecticology (talk) 08:53, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Please read the following and then you can come back and make a better argument. Firstly Misplaced Pages:Legal_advice, then WP:NOTESSAY, and WP:NOTWEBHOST. Also read Misplaced Pages:Userfy so you are familar with my made up word. Keep in mind that just like you'll find in different regions of the world, Misplaced Pages has it's own culture and different cultures include their own words for things. Userfy is one of those words. You'll see a few if you intend to stick around. Once you are familar with the above policies, then read WP:N and WP:V. Finally, read Misplaced Pages:Encyclopedia. After all of that, you are welcome to try to make an argument for keeping your article, but don't be surprised if I'll have more reading for you on what an WP:AFD is and why it resulted in your article being deleted. I just don't want to overwhelm you at this point.--v/r - TP 12:42, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Revision history of Rosedale, Lawrence Township, New Jersey

Please restore the Revision history of Rosedale, Lawrence Township, New Jersey as there was no consensus to delete the revision history for the article. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 01:30, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

No. There was sufficient agreement that the article was unnecessary with two !voters asking for it to be deleted. Why do you want the revision history? The article wasn't merged. Would you rather it userfied?--v/r - TP 02:29, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

AfD: Howard J. Brown, Next Steps

Hi TParis,

Clearly you are busy. But I would like to "userfy" Howard J. Brown. Back on 19 Sept you wrote: Give me a couple of days to decide how to approach this.

Thanks! -- Lwolberg (talk) 11:48, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Im going to send you an email with my thoughts on this.--166.205.13.107 (talk) 12:24, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I will be lucky to get that, look forward to it -- thanks for your time -- Lwolberg (talk) 15:46, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Answer

Sorry for the late answer, I was no longer around on Misplaced Pages. I apprehended all of what you had said, but I only partially agree with you. To the best of my knowledge, there is no difference between wikihounding and wikistalking. That is one and the same thing, which is a very serious allegation, to which it is not sufficient to provide a couple diffs from a 24 hour period as you did on my talk page. And I fully understood that you acknowledged that your warning about wikihounding was inappropriate , however, your reason for that is still inappropriate. Not because of a possible POV pushing of my antipode was what I did was not Wikihounding. It was because if someone wants to accuse anyone of wikihounding, the plaintiff must prove that it has been going on for long months by very voluminous and convincing diffs as it is a very serious allegation. And you indeed beheld that it was an edit war for which you also warned Omen1229 as well. But when I expostulated on your talk page that two reports were consecutively run at WP ANI about me whose names were "Problem with aggressive user Nmate" and "Problem with aggressive user Nmate 2", to that your answer was that "You are being aggressive when you stalk folk's contribs and undo all of their edits. That is aggressive. If you dont want to be called aggressive, then quit being aggressive. It's that simple." , which is a sonorous claptrap in my opinion, and , in this case, the matter is that : "what WP ANI is for"

To report persistent vandalism or spamming, see administrator intervention against vandalism.
To report impolite or uncivil communications with other editors, see wikiquette alerts.
To report improper deletion or request undeletion, see deletion review.
To report improper usernames, see usernames for administrator attention.
To request page protection, see requests for page protection.
To report edit warring, see the administrators' edit warring noticeboard.
To report long time edit warring/abuse, see long-term abuse.
To report suspected sockpuppetry, see sockpuppet investigations.
To request permanent deletion of sensitive personal information, see requests for oversight. DO NOT make such requests here; reports here are visible to everyone.
To get assistance in resolving disputes, please see dispute resolution.

• To report edit warring, see the administrators' edit warring noticeboard

WP ANI is not used for kicking up a shindy, during an edit war ,in order that the readers of the report began commiserating with the reporter. It was an edit warring for which Omen1229 reported me at WP ANI twice consecutively on the grounds that I am aggressive ,while at the same time he was still edit warring and uncivil. And in addition, two users User:Iadrian yu and 195.28.75.114 ,who is the meatpuppet of a twofold indef-blocked castaway user's, whose name is User:Iaaasi, (see:) joined the discussion, they are both eager to have me blocked, and you almost bought into their mendacities. It is not very nifty to say least.--Nmate (talk) 12:52, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Since my name is mentioned several time , for no apparent reason I feel that I owe an response. Taking out of context something I said a year ago (first time you mentioned me), and accusing me again and again is really...WP:LETGO. I tried not to bait WP:BAIT but my constant "name-calling" and ignoring the aggressive and inappropriate behavior from User:Nmate is without precedent. I am really surprised with the behavior that is tolerated on wikipedia. Should we all behave like that? My comment on ANI was simple and short, without inflammatory statements. Your behavior isn`t something I just made up, it has been proven with problems to many users like: User:Wladthemlat , User:Samofi, User:Yopie and now with User:Omen1229. I have stayed away from you, but miraculously you still manage to manufacture conflicts, and strange enough all of them with Slovak/Czech users. Also problems with User:PANONIAN. Simply, whenever you appear there is a new edit war. Call me paranoid but it is too obvious that there is something here that isn`t right. It looks like your goal is to block some users by gaming the system. Calling my "involvement" - eager to block you is just ridiculous. Analyzing your contributions and various warnings that you received for your behavior (that you deleted from your talk page) you are not changing your attitude toward wikipedia and in my opinion you should take a wiki-break. Adrian (talk) 13:30, 4 October 2011 (UTC)