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If you're here about an image, try asking your question at Misplaced Pages:Media copyright questions.

Answers to common questions

Why did you delete my image?

The simple answer: I didn't. Someone else did.

The full answer: If you're coming here to ask about an image, it probably was deleted because you forgot to note where you got the image from, or you forgot to indicate the copyright status of the image. See Misplaced Pages:Image use policy for more information on what you need to do when uploading images.

It says that anyone can copy this image. Why is it being deleted?

The image is not under a free license. There are three things that the image creator needs to permit for an image to be under a free license:

1. They need to permit distribution
2. They need to permit modification and incorporation into other works (the creation of derivative works)
3. They need to permit distribution of derivative works

A permission to copy covers #1, but does not permit #2 (which is what lets Misplaced Pages use it in an article), and does not permit #3 (which is what permits us to distribute Misplaced Pages, and what permits people to re-use Misplaced Pages content).

I got permission to use this image in Misplaced Pages. Why is it being deleted?

Simple permission is not good enough. The image owner could revoke permission at any time, and the image can't be reused anywhere else: not in Wiktionary, not in Wikibooks, and possibly not in the other languages Misplaced Pages is available in. It also prevents people from re-using Misplaced Pages content. Misplaced Pages is a free content encyclopedia, so any image should be under a free license. Simple permission fails all three points of what constitutes a free license.

It says that anyone can use this image for noncommercial purposes. Misplaced Pages is non-commercial, so that means it's okay, right?

The Wikimedia Foundation, the organization that runs Misplaced Pages, is registered as a non-profit organization. That doesn't mean it's noncommercial, though: the German Misplaced Pages, for example, sells copies of the encyclopedia on CD-ROM as a fundraising measure. Further, Misplaced Pages is a free content encyclopedia, so any image should be under a free license. Any license with a "no commercial use" clause fails all three points of what constitutes a free license.

It says that anyone can use this image for educational purposes. Misplaced Pages is educational, so that means it's okay, right?

Misplaced Pages articles are intended to educate, yes. But "educational purposes" is a very vague term. The creator of the image could mean that they only want the image to be used by universities and the like, or they might object to Misplaced Pages's coverage of popular culture. It's best to stay away from images with such vague terms.

Further, Misplaced Pages is a free content encyclopedia, so any image should be under a free license. Any license with an "educational use only" clause fails all three points of what constitutes a free license.

The web page I found this image on doesn't say anything about copyright. That means it's free to use, right?

Wrong. In the United States, under the Berne Convention Implementation Act of 1988, every tangible work of creative effort created after March 1, 1989 is automatically copyrighted. Including a copyright statement gives you a stronger position if you file a copyright infringement lawsuit, and you need to register your copyright with the Library of Congress to file the lawsuit, but neither step is needed to get a copyright in the first place.

I found this image on the Internet. Anyone can see it, so that means it's in the public domain, right?

Wrong. Anyone can see a book in a public library, or a painting in an art gallery, but that doesn't mean those are in the public domain. The Internet is no different.

The image was created 50 years ago. It can't possibly still be copyrighted, can it?

Wrong. In the United States, copyright lasts a very long time. As a rule of thumb, everything published in 1929 or later is copyrighted.

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Template test?

Hey Carnildo,

Steven Walling and I have been running some A/B tests on common user talk templates (check out our task force for more info), and I was wondering if you'd let us tinker with the warning templates that your bot sends (not in the technical sense, just with the actual content of the warning). Right now we're working with Beetstra and Versageek on some redesigned warnings for XLinkBot and with Kingpin13 on an SDPatrolBot warning test, and since ImageTaggingBot is another bot that hits a huge number of talk pages, it would be awesome if we could test out some different warnings with it.

Let me know what you think – you can catch me on IRC if you hang out there at all (nick:Maryana), or just play talk-page tag. Thanks! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 20:33, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Rolling back correct edits by ImageRemovalBot to facilitate correct file linking.

Aloha Carnildo, this is just an FYI. I am just letting you know that I am rolling back edits correctly made by ImageRemovalBot to articles with File:Bernabò e Beatrice Visconti.jpg.jpg. The correct link is File:Bernabò e Beatrice Visconti.jpg and it is easier to reinstate the positioning & labels just by rolling it back & then correcting the link. No reply necessary, & thank you for your bot! Mahalo, Peaceray (talk) 03:24, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Your offer at File:CNGS layout.jpg

At File:CNGS layout.jpg, you (sort of) offered to re-create the image if you were provided overhead maps. If that offer was serious, the best images I've been able to find are the ones at CNGS's website, here. There unfortunately isn't a direct overhead map showing the details of CNGS like the one used to create File:Cern-accelerator-complex.svg (the deleted image was a detail rendering of the black pathway in the upper right section of this image, labelled TI8/CNGS/Towards Gran Sasso), but there are at least more 3-d renderings.

That said, while such an image would be appropriate at CERN Neutrinos to Gran Sasso, it's much less essential to OPERA neutrino anomaly (which is by far the more actively worked-on article), and certainly doesn't need to be in the lede. Maybe the editors there would accept a fifteen-minute peace offering of a map showing the relative locations of CNGS (per the inset on File:Location Large Hadron Collider.PNG) and Gran Sasso (as shown e.g. at File:Parco-Gran Sasso-Posizione.png); it's not at all obvious reading the article that the beam crosses half of Italy. Our articles for both the source (CNGS) and terminus (Laboratori Nazionali del Gran Sasso) of the neutrino beam are geolocated, if you're into that.

Meanwhile, User:Ajoykt is trying to put together a doomed RFC on you. He's been very productive on the OPERA neutrino anomaly article, and it's sad to see him sucked into projectspace in such a negative manner. I've tried to gently steer him towards DRV instead on Talk:OPERA neutrino anomaly; while he'll get thoroughly shot down there, too, at least it's more likely to be on the image's (lack of) merits rather than RFC's usual wikilawyering about proper endorsements and so on. Discouraging either way. It might be productive to explain to him that by "overhead map" you meant an orthographic view, not a satellite map like he interpreted it; but, again, such a map doesn't seem to exist. 74.74.150.139 (talk) 02:12, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Predictably enough, immediately after writing that out, I found a more detailed map on page 20 of this pdf. 74.74.150.139 (talk) 02:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

That looks like it'll be enough information for me to make a 3D model from. I'll see what I can do, but as I noted elsewhere, my skills are rather rusty. --Carnildo (talk) 03:14, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I've produced an amateurish and diagrammatic version for use in the meantime, see my talk page. All the best—S Marshall T/C 00:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Drafts for ImageTaggingBot

Steven and I have been working on test templates and came up with these alternate versions. We're not completely finished, so please take a look and let us know what you think about the test strategy and the templates themselves – what needs changing, what looks weird, what could be improved? Thanks for your help and for letting us test with your bot! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 18:58, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, there's a section of notes and questions at the bottom, some of which you would be best placed to answer for us I think. Thanks very much, Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 23:39, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey, stupid us, without checking Special:PrefixIndex/User:OrphanBot we went and created subpages for all the new templates for the test. See the list on the drafts page. We just assumed you didn't want any extra work, so we went ahead. :) Anyway, we made both randomizers (to randomly deliver the tests or the current versions with a switch function) and empty z tracking templates that are inside our versions. Let me know if you want to use ours, or if I should delete them. Happy holidays, Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 00:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello. You have a new message at User talk:Steven (WMF)'s talk page. 21:41, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for starting the test Carnildo! I'll update the documentation accordingly. Talk to you later, Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 19:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Richard Arthur Norton: Revisiting topic ban; Should it be removed or made indefinite?

Hi Carnildo. You participated in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive228#Richard Arthur Norton copyright violations, in which a one-month topic ban on creating new articles and making page moves was imposed on Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk · contribs). The closing admin has asked for community input about whether to remove the topic ban or make it indefinite at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Richard Arthur Norton: Revisiting topic ban; Should it be removed or made indefinite?. Cunard (talk) 08:53, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

ClueBot NG Report

Hey,
Thank you for your false postive report found here, you might not be aware but ClueBot uses the rollback tool just like a human would, therefore rolls back a collection of edits by the same user, just like rollback would do if it was pressed by a human rollbacker.
Thanks
Rich(MTCD) 13:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Unhelpful bot message

It is really nice of ImageTaggingBot to post friendly messages to user talk pages saying “It was really helpful of you to you to upload…”, but it is really unhelpful of it to say “add one of these templates” without giving a clue that the templates are those at WP:ICT and its subpages. Several days ago I left a message about this on the bot’s talk page, but it is still leaving such messages. —teb728 t c 07:53, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi teb728, sorry about the confusion. I just fixed the issue. This friendlier version of the template is actually part of a short-term test that Steven Walling and I are running. That particular test template is actually meant to have as few "directives" as possible, in order to put all the focus on going to MCQ and receiving human help... which looked to be successful in this instance :) It's very possible, after all, that just giving newbies a link to a long and cumbersome page full of weird tags will scare them off, but having a human editor walk them through the process and answer their questions won't. By the end of this test, we'll hopefully have some quantitative data to show whether that's true or not. But you're right that it doesn't make much sense to say "these templates" without including the link. Please let me know if you spot any other issues. Thanks, Maryana (WMF) (talk) 19:45, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Request for Interview Regarding Misplaced Pages Bots

Greetings Carnildo-

My name is Randall Livingstone, and I am a graduate student at the University of Oregon, currently collecting data for my dissertation on Misplaced Pages editors who create and use bots and assisted editing tools, as well as editors involved in the initial and/or ongoing creation of bot policies on Misplaced Pages. As a member of BAG and the bot community, I would very much like to interview you for the project at a time and in a method that is most convenient for you (Gchat, another IM client, Skype, email, telephone, etc.). I am completely flexible and can work with your schedule. The interview will take approximately 30-45 minutes.

My dissertation project has been approved both by the Institutional Review Board (IRB) at the University of Oregon, and by the Research Committee at the Wikimedia Foundation. You can find more information on the project on my meta page.

Please let me know if you have any questions, and I look forward to hearing from you to set up a time to chat. Thank you very much.

Randall Livingstone, School of Journalism & Communication, University of Oregon

UOJComm (talk) 00:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

ImageRemovalBot

Is the bot down ? Mtking 08:14, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, until either MediaWiki bug 33292 is fixed, or I write a workaround. --Carnildo (talk) 22:53, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

SparrowHawk.jpg

I added a copyright tag to the above photo but wanted to make sure that was all you needed? Thanks for your assistance!

Writer 33 (talk) 19:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This file should not be speedy deleted as bearing an improper license, because I've the permission of the copyright owner Dr. Agop Manoukian (permission cc-by-nc-nd-3.0). I've the ticket OTRS (2011102010012061) from the Misplaced Pages IT. If you want, I might send you the permission emails by Agop Manoukian and permissions-it@wikimedia.org Many thanks --Da.francesca (talk) 12:28, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Chavezcoup photo

??? Misplaced Pages:Files_for_deletion/2012_January_2? Huh? Must be nice to do whatever you want and ignore two other DRVs and closing admins. So I guess that's what having the mop means.PumpkinSky talk 02:57, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Did you read my deletion explanation? If it's really a historically significant photo as the "keep" voters claim, you should have no trouble writing a few sourced paragraphs about the creation, context, and impact of the photo, in the style of Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima or The Blue Marble. I saw no such information anywhere, or even the barest attempt at such. --Carnildo (talk) 03:11, 12 January 2012 (UTC)