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HI, refs are fixed, should be OK now. Keep up the good work. This isn't Jack Merridew is it? SOmething about the page and name and DYK page makes it feel like Jack. Anyway I was wondering if you would be interested in writing an article on Drug abuse in jazz or something as it was a major issue and not widely known to everybody.♦ Dr. Blofeld10:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. I might do that at some point. If you'd like to, ping me for advice. This page was done by Jack. But I'm not Jack.Bali ultimate (talk) 12:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi Bali, I noticed that another reviewer had brought up additional questions/issues with this nomination and hadn't notified you, so I thought I'd give you a heads-up. 28bytes (talk) 03:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
God vs. G-d
Hi. Regarding your edit of the Mezuzah article, I don't think the replacement of "God" with "G-d" really counts as vandalism. Many — though, please note, not all — Jews consider it inappropriate to write "God", preferring "G-d" instead (see Names of God in Judaism#In English). I'm not sure if there is a Misplaced Pages style guideline on this or not. I brought up the question in Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Judaism#Writing "G-d" in Mezuzah article, and so far there has been one response saying it's unnecessary, but hopefully there will be more comments and a general consensus (one way or the other) will develop that can be turned into a guideline. Richwales (talk · contribs) 21:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
It's vandalism. Hardline orthodox jews don't get to determine what neutral word is appropriate for God, nor do adherents of any other faith. That particular construction is frankly childish, always laugh at it when i see it (Hashem is better).Bali ultimate (talk) 21:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry your feathers are ruffled. But your own thin skin is something I can't help you with, I'm afraid. I wasn't "talking" to you at all.Bali ultimate (talk) 05:35, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm not insulting you. I've told you twice (and this is the third time) that i wasn't even addressing you. What is it exactly you want? I'm sorry I put my butterknife down and you have repeatedly tried to stab yourself with it? Ok. I apologize for that cutlery malfunction. More seriously: You have demonstrated a thin skin here. That's not an insult. It's an observation, and a mild suggestion that you wander away and think about why you felt insulted in the first place (hint: when comments are made in a public place, they frequently won't be about you, as was manifestly the case in this instance). From memory i think i'm moderately well-disposed to you. The whole point of my comments there was a (vain, useless) attempt to get the chattel to focus on the incompetents whose pockets they help to line (not that I'm an innocent). Bali ultimate (talk) 06:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I have to disagree, I found your tone both on AN, and here, rather rude and insulting. If you have issues with the fundraiser, you're welcome to address them through the appropriate channels (for instance, talking to the fundraising staff, or using the fundraising pages) but taking it out on another editor on an only loosely (at best) related topic is just plain incivility. Just saying.⇒SWATJester22:28, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
More specifically, suggesting that other editors are "chattel", that the office staff are "incompetents", and suggesting that other users self-flagellating instead of assuming good faith, all of these things are basically incivility, in case you needed an "observation". ⇒SWATJester22:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Mr. Dan Rosenthal of the Wikimedia foundation fundraising arm, I promise a more thorough discussion with you when i finish work (in about an hour). For now, I think the WMF is manifestly incompetent, in both shaping an environment to allow for better content and (more importantly) in providing leadership on a host of moral issues that you all generally turn your eyes away from. A perusal of the budget indicates a lot of featherbedding. As to the "self-flagellating" bit in your comment above, i suggest you either read what i wrote multiple times or more slowly.Bali ultimate (talk) 22:57, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok Mr. Rosenthal. First off, am i correct in assuming that you're a paid functionary of the wikimedia foundation? The legit sock page says that the account you've used here is for all "volunteer" activities, implying that your activities via the other account are paid. Correct me if this assumption is wrong. Running on it now. Since you've sought my feedback, I'll speak to your own incompetence. That fundraising banner with Mr. Wales mug on it describing him misleadingly as the "founder" (he's the cofounder, don't you know) is greeting everyone that comes to one of the most visited sites on the web, thanks to the google algorithm. If memory serves, it's north of 50 million visitors a day. Wales, who makes $50,000 to $75,000 per speaking appearance according to an agency that says it represents him , has just been given incredibly valuable advertising for the "Jimbo Wales brand" for free. You should have been charging him for that kind of advertising, and a fair amount. It also serves to burnish his false image as some kind of architect and prime mover in this phenomenon, when he's in fact not particularly competent in writing, evaluating, or safe-guarding content, which does a disservice to the public and is contrary (however ironically) to the stated purpose of the website. Finally, I understand what motivates you to defend your employer; unfortunately, this understanding leaves me less inclined to respect what you have to say. Thanks for dropping by.Bali ultimate (talk) 01:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
As you are well aware, Jimmy's speaking arrangements are his own deal; the foundation has nothing to do with them. However, I'd like to point out that the banners we run with Jimmy's face on them bring in significantly more donations than the others -- in fact, Jimmy's face has made the foundation more money then any amount he could possibly have benefited through publicity. As to my personal "incompetence", I suggest you strongly consider reviewing our policies on no personal attacks and civility if you wish to continue editing further. Thanks. ⇒SWATJester06:55, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Bali, Swatjester isn't one of TheBadGuys(tm). I'd suggest you tone it down a bit with the rhetoric going on here. I'm not a huge fan of the foundation nor of their fundraising tactics, but lashing out at everyone that disagrees with you (calling them names and making insinuations about their character) will not aid your case and ultimately is a reflection upon your own character. Let's just take a breather and reflect about how to move forward. Killiondude (talk) 07:09, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
One of their paid factotums seeks me out to complain that i publically criticized Wales and their deceptive and innapropriate fund raising tactics (and Mr. Rosenthal failed to identify himself as such -- just another wikipedia volunteer with a bunch of civlity whinging) he will get my full and frank opinion. If he or you don't like my rhetoric on my talk page (in an exchange that Rosenthal instigated and that you're now fueling) you can shove off (and you can stuff your discussion about my character). Bye.Bali ultimate (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi Bali. If you don't like the language in the article than fix it. I'm doing the best I can and I'm still working on the article. You don't just delete a substantial part of an article just because the writing style is not good enough. I'll try to improve the language as much as I can, and I'm still writing the article, so you can help or be patient and wail untill I'm done writing. Nik Sage (talk) 13:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, if you have trouble writing clear prose on the first pass, try working on it offline. As it was, i did fix it. The good news is your writing on this page is reasonable. Get the language right and i'll take a look at the content later.Bali ultimate (talk) 15:02, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
What editor do you think i'm confused with? User:Malcolm Schosha is a banned editor and multiple sockpuppet user. Here's his first ban discussion . I find it fascinating that the account of a banned user who abused multiple editors in good standing here for years has been "vanished" especially since he's a serial sockpuppeteers. Thank's for bringning this further to my attention, i intend to pursue i to now.Bali ultimate (talk) 11:38, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
I was unaware of that discussion. I'm not terribly familiar with sockpuppetry rules, but note that he was never banned and one his "socks" Kwok2 was clearly not used to avoid detection. He is clearly not a "serial" sockpuppet, if one at all. No offense intended, but your zeal in ensuring that the user page of his RL name be besmirched appears vindictive.--brewcrewer(yada, yada)17:06, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Serially used socks to stalk me and others, seeking to tag us as anti-semites and so forth because he wasn't able to skew content to suit his political agenda anymore. Has socked through a variety of IPs. If the name had been dissapeared at the time I was targeted by that vile human being, i wouldn't have been able to uncover his past and have it dealt with. I'm seeking to protect others from the vicious attacks that unbalanced edit warrior has visited on me by keeping the info out there. That's not vindictive. It's protecting the innocent. What's your interest in all this then, if you didn't do any research into his past? Getting emails?I wonder why... you're not an ethno-nationalist POV pusher too? (Just a shot in the dark there).Bali ultimate (talk) 10:53, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I am not aware of any "targeted harrassment" not do i see any evidence of it. but considering how you throw out baseless accusations against me, i know who to believe. I don't want to discuss this with you any longer. its quite clear that you are making this personal and are not dealing with it objectively at all. adios.--brewcrewer(yada, yada)15:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Making what personal? You've come to my talk page for no apparent reason (continue to refuse to explain why) to defend a banned editor who visited upon me and other vile, vile attacks. I love the accusation at others that they're not objective at all when you don't get your way. Very cute. Don't let the ass hit you on the way out the door sweetheart.Bali ultimate (talk) 15:10, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
John Ging take two
Hi Bali, please give feedback about the first part I've wrote about the assassination attempts so I can move to the second part. You could do it here or at my talk page if you prefer. Nik Sage (talk) 23:39, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi Bali Ultimate, re your comment about Colonel Warden considering the deletion of articles to be the equivalent of "something akin to murder", I've just been through a few screens of his deleted contributions and seen examples where far from trying to save everything he does actually tag some articles for deletion. Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Crab collars is an example where he took an article to AFD. I appreciate that you feel strongly about this editor, but can I suggest you have a second look and rephrase your comments in a way that more reflects this editor's edits? ϢereSpielChequers 13:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
sure.Bali ultimate (talk) 13:59, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Sorry. Not going to grab the tar-baby. I've seen him argue for keep on hoaxes almost as blatant. I'm glad to see an overwhelmingly blatant hoax he can recognize, but hardly the point.Bali ultimate (talk) 14:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm sure we've all been taken in by hoaxes occasionally. But the point of an RFC is to convince the community that there is a problem, I took your accusations sufficiently seriously to trawl through his contributions until I'd found examples where he had tagged articles for deletion via speedy, prod and AFD. If you want to convince the Colonel that he needs to change behaviour or the community that some sort of sanction is appropriate, then please stick to facts and support your criticism of him with diffs. I appreciate that hyperbole doesn't always signify a weak case - but at the moment I'm of the view that if there was a real problem then editors would not feel the need to exaggerate. ϢereSpielChequers14:17, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't view my comments as hyperbolic, and if you don't see what i'm seeing by trawling through his contributions, i can't help you. It's quite clear to me that warden is not going to be convinced of anything. He'll either take on board what the RFC says and change or, like A Nobody, he won't and he'll eventually be gone. I've no interest in discussing this further with you here. Life is short, and as i made very clear, i'm not going to get bogged down with the hair-splitting and misdirection that are all too common when addressing these kinds of problems. The arguments he uses are fundamentally dishonest, he uses tactics to confound process and open logical discussion, and he fills articles with trivia, poor sources and interpretations of sources that no reasonable reader (or at least one with a research background) would ever make. You don't appear to aggree with me. So be it. The facts are plain as day to me and many others.Bali ultimate (talk) 14:22, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
My comment was about your accusing him of "considering the deletion of articles to be the equivalent of murder". Please don't assume what my so far unstated views are on "trivia, poor sources and interpretations of sources that no reasonable reader (or at least one with a research background) would ever make". If that was your concern about him or any other editor, and you or someone else filed a diff supported case on those grounds, then if I found it convincing I might well endorse it. ϢereSpielChequers14:32, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Full quote from me (rather than your misquote) which i stand by in its entirety. I get it that you don't agree. Please don't belabor it further. Col. Warden has an extreme ideology that appears to view deleting articles (and poorly sourced content within articles) as something akin to murder. Bye. Bali ultimate (talk) 14:50, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Probably moot at this point but Bali's right and WSC's off the mark giving him a hard time. IMHO. ++Lar: t/c18:17, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Recreating deleted page
I noticed you recreated User:Malcolm Schosha. This page was deleted because the account was renamed; there is no account under that name. Please use the Kwork or Kwork2 accounts if you have any further sockpuppet concerns. Shell17:55, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I discovered him on old AN/I archives. Now, if someone else does, they will come to a complete dead end. For instance, if you go to the ban discussion on Malcolm and click "contributions" you get a blank. . This has the effect of covering his tracks, and given his frequent socking through IPs, that enables a banned editor. How do you propose to deal with this? I'll probably bring the propriety of all this at AN/I shortly, but am interested to hear your response first.Bali ultimate (talk) 18:04, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
What if we created a redirect to the other account; that's pretty typical with renames and would let someone check up on things if they need to. Is there any current socking? Shell19:15, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Not that i've noticed in about two months, but he's probably about. The problems arise when he starts harrassing people. A redirect i could live with.Bali ultimate (talk) 19:22, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
user Benjiboi blocked
Hi Bali, User:Benjiboi Blocked for massive socking, I have a few more I am watching, the whole field IMO is a likely to be just a couple of activists with multiple accounts along with paid promo editors, thanks for your contributions. Off2riorob (talk) 22:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
If you have any spidey sense tingles about POV pushers and promo contributors, let me know, I despise them and love to investigate their contributions. Off2riorob (talk) 23:07, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I took a big step back from all that a while ago, and am engaged in fairly narrow ways at the moment, so no. But if i come across anything, will let you know.Bali ultimate (talk) 23:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Please do not recreate the redirect. The facts are obvious enough to those who need to know, and continuing to make the link makes it harder for him to walk away and leave us alone, which is in the end what we want. Guy (Help!) 19:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
I wouldn't have found him when he was harrasing me if this "courtesy obfuscation" had been done then. If you've deleted again, i'll bring it up for broader input.Bali ultimate (talk) 19:54, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
I agree, I don't think deleting the RD again was very helpful, there is meaningful background to this of which you may not be aware, JzG. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:59, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
He uses them fairly disposably, so "blocking" the old socks is neither here nor there. The IP range would be nice to block, but i don't know enough about the technicalities. Takes out a few houses/apartment buildings in the Castro? Go ahead and do it (odds of another wikipedia editor sllim). Take out half of San Francisco? Not feasible. In practice, i doubt little more will be done (unless you can convince a friendly check user to keep on eye on the IP range).Bali ultimate (talk) 17:48, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed a few other likely socks and someone found one with wikistalk, who should I talk to about running another CU? Geographically, how big is the suspected range (71.139.0.000-71.139.40.000) we're looking at? - Schrandit (talk) 13:38, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
IP ranges and stuff like that not my expertise. All I can tell is that it's all mostly in the Bay Area, but i have no idea how big the ranges are.Bali ultimate (talk) 13:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Ah, so that's how it's done. Don't you have a plane to catch? Merry Christmas and all that if we don't talk again til after. Me? Spending it with mom, then off to see my girlfriend in a very pretty corner of the world. Love going there, but no work. Bali ultimate (talk) 23:37, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
You should discuss this; there are several options. Teh auto-archive bot, which I don't like. The *move* your talk to an archive page technique, or the manual archive creation approach, which is traditional. Cheers, Jack Merridew00:41, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I have packing and such prep todo; plane's tomorrow. I'll be near your pretty corner ;) The two big cities, though. I'm gonna be sending out some notes; we'll talk. Cheers, Jack Merridew00:41, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes, you need to first work out what you want to do with it. Another option I notice is - clear historic - and delete it, an option some users do monthly, SlimV is one. We are not obliged to archive but I read it is recommended. I also don't know if it is possible to add a bot when you have the fancy edging on your page. I did add one but it didn't appear...have a think what you want to do..no hurry - no worry. Off2riorob (talk) 00:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Right so unless you have anything to say or ask any one of your ideologically aligned Misplaced Pages friends to rebuts the arguments I've made on the Counterpunch talk page, I'm going to put the criticisms back on. I won't have your feigned absence filibuster my attempts to get the (warranted) criticisms against that left-wing rag of a magazine put on its Misplaced Pages page. Fellytone (talk) 22:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
In any discussion, if you see traction in a section, don't add a new one below it. Reply to something above if you must, but not below. People read discussions from the bottom, not the top.—Kww(talk) 16:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
What would have happened, if a merge would have been done after DYK? Misplaced Pages readers would have gotten an extra information. What a horror! D= --Mbz1 (talk) 13:43, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Even gatoclass never claimed anything about coatracks, but you right I did learn something, like how unpleasant some users, who hardly wrote a few articles themselves could be. Please have a nice day.--Mbz1 (talk) 13:59, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Still plagiarizing? I get it that you're a little bauble collector with little regard for organizing information appropriately. So it goes.Bali ultimate (talk) 14:02, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't really have any good advice here Tenmei. Maybe you could be more concise, though i'm not sure it would make a difference, but you're being more than fair and making factual, policy based points. The problem is that wikipedia is very poor at dealing with nationalist/jingoist editors. I don't know much about the topic at hand, but certainly ancient and primary chinese sources are deprecated. In general, as you know, Imperial China told itself it ruled vast swathes of world that it in fact had only nominal control of, if that. It's an issue that requires nuance and complexity, not binary categorization. So what should you do differently? If you're at a standoff, craft an RFC of no more than 2 paragraphs asking for broader editorial input on the use of primary sources (appropriate or not?) and perhaps some of the other sources that don't, if i understand your argument, support the edits being made by the other fellow. The advantages here is that it deporsonalizes the dispute, and usually draws in fresh eyes. Sorry i don't have any better thoughts. Best.Bali ultimate (talk) 22:48, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. Follow-up questions like this have no easy answers.
This dispute is very low-key, undramatic. It remains an open-ended question -- even when the focus is narrowed to Cite does not verify asserted "facts". The content involves only two cardinal numbers and a single descriptive term; but Historiographer's editing is characteristic, tactical and familiar. Optimistically, this thread might be re-framed as a fulcrum for better understanding.
IMO, the core issue which justified the investment of time and thought at WP:Requests for comment/Teeninvestor was the prospect of metastasis. Although Teeninvestor has withdrawn from our project, the patterns of strategic editing are emblematic. IMO, it is constructive to search actively for options which may only become apparent after some time has passed. --Tenmei (talk) 23:56, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
I understand and appreciate your hope. But I don't expect a solution/governance answer to organically produce itself. What's needed is editorial boards of subject experts (which the true believers would respond to with dolchstoss levels of betrayal and outrage so forget it) that intervene, directly, in content. Until that unlikely day have to just keep muddling through (or, like me, avoid entirely the subject areas in which you have expertise).Bali ultimate (talk) 15:02, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Packer
Thanks for the work on LoS. Re Packer, I had looked into this, and later sources seemed to contradict those in 2008 speculating that he had dropped out. All of these are from 2009: . If you look at the article that said he had dropped out, it does not actually quote him, but unnamed friends of his. Looking at it all, I got the feeling that he took a lot of courses for a while when he was in crisis, then stopped that once he felt better, but hasn't actually broken with the Church. There is no obligation on Scientologists to take courses all the time; it's up to the individual (and the status of their bank account). --JN46615:18, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I think this is getting a little out of hand
first I want to apologize, I did not intend to tag you with the "attack page" template, I wanted to warn you about "personal attacks", obviously that was not what I tagged you with and I know how it feels to get tagged with something you don't deserve. So I am sorry I tagged you with that. Secondly I think it is getting a little heated and we should actually talk about it. We are accomplishing nothing going back and forth the way we are. I understand you have strong feelings about what should be included in the List of deaths associated with Scientology, but I do feel strongly that we need to include a background section that demonstrates that reliable sources have been using this theme across time. Those sources are contained in the section we have, but you are not satisfied that it should be included. What is a good compromise? Since they are reliable sources, would we be able to include those sources but tone down the content somehow which would satisfy your concerns?Coffeepusher (talk) 17:33, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
An/I
A fortnight ago, you reported me to to the Administrator Noticeboard/Incident. In reciprocation of your generosity, I've reported you here . Fellytone (talk) 21:43, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
I've closed that report as obvious tit-for-tat shenanigans. However, I have redacted the insults that were made on that talk page - even generally insulting those who accuse CounterPunch and Cockburn of antisemitism is an attack on living people, and should be avoided, and it really isn't necessary. As you know, stating your opinion of those writers won't help us improve the article. </lecture> Fences&Windows22:53, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
RFC on the user would be easiest. There is a broader cultural problem of the tolerance of creations of attack pieces and forks created to emphasize the "rightness" of a particular position that is currently rampant in that arena (and is fuelled by the host of teenagers and apple polishers involved with DYK), but i have no good advice on how to shift the broader culture. Any effort that i can imagine would be an unfocused mess. So probably best to start with this user -- which (who knows) may yield some broader ideas and awareness.Bali ultimate (talk) 05:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I think I will just let it rest for a bit--it's possible the Mbz will take the hint and create her next articles on some of the better themes of her earlier work. betsythedevine (talk) 00:22, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Hello. I noticed that you tagged a whole lot of articles in Italian (XYZ Cabinet) for speedy deletion. As I was told by Acroterion (talk·contribs) they have especially been imported for translation on behalf of Dr. Blofeld (talk·contribs) including an extensive page history etc. I've already userfied some pages to Dr. Blofeld's user namespace but you might also want to reconsider your tagging. I for one don't like the way this has been handled, such mass imports should not sit in the article namespace at all while untranslated, but these pages were not created as a simple copy and paste. De728631 (talk) 23:29, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
They've been there for a couple of months and are unreferenced duplicates for which there is a speedy category. I for one am not convinced that wikipedia needs an unreferenced article on the composition of the cabinet of an Italian govt that lasted for 120 days in 1975 (for instance) but at any rate shouldn't have one til it's in english. For the GFDL after translation, all he has to do is type "translated from the italian wiki article" and provide the link in the first edit summary when it goes live." At any rate, it's a mess that needs to be cleaned up.Bali ultimate (talk) 00:29, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
So fix it and work on them. I removed a speedy tag, and you placed at least one back. You should know by now that this is not permitted. Try AfD if you like DGG ( talk ) 01:26, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't speak italian with sufficient confidence to "sofixit," particularly since they're all unreferenced. The articles fulfill a speedy criteria -- get the criteria changed rather than subsituting your will for what's acceptable. You should know better by now. I won't stand in the way of any referenced article in english. Unreferenced articles that are in Italian? They just degrade the encyclopedia. By the way, out of curiosity, why do you spend so much time deprodding/despeedying and fixing nothing (while apparently remaining ignorant of basic site polices after all these years). What is it, 30% of your edits to article space? Try reading WP:Translation. If what you find there confuses you ping me and i'll try to explain it.Bali ultimate (talk) 01:38, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks man!
I thought about posting the link to her page, and decided against it because her talk page is watched by at least 5 times more people than my archive is, but you did it for me and... to her. May I recommended you next time you are going to do something like that to turn your brain on I do hope you have one :-) and better use email in similar situations. lol.--Mbz1 (talk) 07:40, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Er, I came here to ask you something, and seriously considered blocking you for that response (WP:CIVIL). Mbz1's smiley-faced aside is just enough to make me ask you to apologise instead. If you don't want anything further to do with an issue or even a user, it's perfectly possible to say so in a civil manner, so please reconsider your response. Thanks. Rd23216:21, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Mbz1 comes to my talk page and calls me an idiot... why? Because i notified a third party that Mbz1 was trying to out them . They also seem to be gloating that the intended outing might get more attention due to my notification. Look up ahead on this talk page for the "are you happy now" section (a bunch of whining that a merger i'd proposed was overwhelmingly supported). If people seek me out to hurl insults they'll get short shrift.Bali ultimate (talk) 16:06, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
CounterPunch Books
Question about this edit. Your edit summary was simply "that is excessive. has nothing to do with this magazine" for removing a smidgen of summary about a book (copied from the book's entry, BTW), and mention of a couple of other books. My view is that either the CounterPunch entry is about the magazine, in which case the Books section has no place there at all (and should be moved to CounterPunch Books or to AK Press), or it's about the publisher, which covers both magazine and books and includes all the content I added. Your edit leaves a middle ground that makes no sense to me. What do you think? Rd23216:21, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I'd probably favor doing away with the section in its entirety. If i remember, the bit i removed was about Cockburn's views (expressed in a book), not about Counterpunch the magazine, which is a different thing.Bali ultimate (talk) 16:40, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Um, are you sure you read my comment in its entirety, on the distinction between CounterPunch being about the magazine or the publisher? And the diff is linked there too - most of it is summary of that CounterPunch-published book, but not all. Rd23217:44, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
I've put back in the mention of the other books. This is the bit that bothered me: "In the book's preface the editors allege that "false accusations of antisemitism are used to silence Israel's critics".ref“Partisans of Israel often make false accusations of anti-Semitism to silence Israel’s critics. The ‘antisemite!’ libel is harmful not only because it censors debate about Israel’s racism and human rights abuses but because it trivializes the ugly history of Jew-hatred.” It's not about the magazine, it's about the views of cockburn and st. clair (which are dealt with at length in both of their bios and, I presume, on the wikipedia article about the book itself). That bit shed's no light on counterpunch. I fear I may still be misunderstanding you however.Bali ultimate (talk) 17:51, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Re:Vandalism
Hey, sorry I didn't pay attention to my talk page until recently, when I archived a bunch of it, so I didn't notice this warning]. Well, I'm not sure how much "vandalism" would constitute mentioning gay porn, as he's made a year's salary off of it, but whatever floats your boat. Are you a proponent of Levi Johnston or gay porn? DarthBottotalk•cont01:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
The problem is whatever halfwit unblocked him in the first place. I've looked at some of the latest edits. As bad as ever. To double your fun some of his antagonists are also propagandists. All you can get with that setup is an endless push and pull of distortion. I will have nothing to do with any of it. No sane person with a background in this area would.Bali ultimate (talk) 23:18, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
The least is that he stopped his socketpuppets from the last time. I know it's a waste of time, but I'm taking it as a way to stop discrediting me. He already wastes most of my time already. I just avoid reverts with him as he doesn't mind edit-warring. The DRN proposed me to open an RfC, but the system will automatically delete it if it doesn't have a second signature. I was mainly trying to confirm that his attitude hasn't changed since that block, which is against the promises he made. Having him doing the same edits just shows that he improved, heh. I guess I shouldn't have opened it without second support first. Thanks for the input, and see you around. ~ AdvertAdam23:44, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
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Greetings! Funny you should bring this up as I've always had a strong suspicion (since day one, in fact) that he may be a returning editor who might have left WP in a huff. What next? If I may ask and if WP:Clean start permits. Best and cheers! --Dave08:00, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure that the same issues apply to the admin and Wikimediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:UserLogout&returnto=User+talk%3ABali+ultimate&returntoquery=action%3Dedit%26section%3D32-UK positions. Fae would have been elected to the latter largely on the basis of his work with GLAM-UK.--Peter cohen (talk) 17:10, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't know anything about Wikimedia, beyond its connection to this website. But it would be an interesting data point if Wikimedia UK knew a potential board member both created and fought tooth and nail to keep List of Gay bathhouse regulars and decided such a person would be a good overseer of their charitable educational mission.Bali ultimate (talk) 17:22, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I did not attend the meeting nor have I looked at any of the material produced by the candidates. I don't even know how much competition there was to join the committee. What you link and similar stuff could be embarassining when campaigning about Wikimedia as an educational project but it does not affect assessments of Fae's competence. Given how some of Misplaced Pages's start-up money was made and who have been spokespersons in the past, I am not convinced that it is more embarassing than other stuff. It's the type of stuff you were commenting on in the RFC that is of more interest.--Peter cohen (talk) 21:20, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I disagree. I think the decision to create a list, that can be edited by any anonymous person on the planet, that purports to determine which living person does (or does not) frequent "gay bathhouses," as an appropriate article for an encyclopedia, speaks directly to (in)competence.
Can you please consider removing your comment re. Fæ here? I am not saying it is wrong (or right); my only objection is that it isn't relevent to that thread, which is about the conduct of Wgfinley. Throwing in comments about other people is not going to help address that specific issue in any way. If you think there's a problem with Fæ - or anyone else - start a new thread.
Honestly honestly, I have no opinion about the specific matter. But I'm fed up of ANI threads drifting into all kinds of "meta discussion" about unrelated issues; I can see no connection with your comment and the discussion at hand - if I'm wrong, then sure, let me know. But otherwise, would you mind removing it or striking it, or whatever? Thanks. Chzz ► 07:23, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
It's relevant to the meta problem which is this: You have people who make up shit and lie about sources (or administrators who refuse to take that as a serious problem over playing wikipedia as a MUD) and it's not delt with. It's all of a piece, and the star chamber nonesence of "arbitrators" with names like "sir fozzie" promising to look into things behind closed doors is frankly absurd.Bali ultimate (talk) 12:51, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
For the record
User:Fae has had the public claims I made oversighted while seeing fit to discuss me on a project where he has arranged for me to be blocked (so that i can't respond) to his claims. I was never told under what valid criteria my earlier post was vanished.
Allegations which are not referenced by published information in a reliable source about any person, including a Misplaced Pages editor you are investigating, may be removed from Misplaced Pages under the policy in Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons. Additionally, personal information that is not public may be oversighted under our privacy policies. That does not mean that the Wikimedia Foundation does not take your assertions seriously. However, please address your concerns here, privately, to the Arbitration Committee, and, with respect to other Wikimedia Foundation projects to the Wikimedia Foundation. I have suppressed your disclosures here. Further publishing of the information will result in a block. User:Fred BauderTalk00:02, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
User:Fae is Ashley Van Haeften, according to a public website of Wikimedia UK. He has had multiple past incarnations on this website. Why are you surpressing this information? (It's all great grist for the mill -- i'm writing a story about this stuff).Bali ultimate (talk) 00:36, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
To Mr. Bauder -- I intend to express my questions (not "concerns") to as many people in as public a fashion as is reasonable until i get an answer. I find this concern for "privacy" in the case of an editor who created an article called "List of gay bathhouse regulars" somewhat dissonant. I will not be directing any correspondence to the so-called "arbitration committee." I have no business with them at the moment (if any of them would like to contact me as private individuals, finding a way to contact my work email won't be difficult, and I'd be delighted to chat). (Dan Murphy) Bali ultimate (talk) 01:21, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
One more thing to Mr. Bauder -- (starting to do some digging). Are you the same Bauder who ran in to some trouble in the late '90s with the Colorado bar? (If it's not clear what i'm talking about, can supply more details).Bali ultimate (talk) 01:32, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Bali, I know what you're referring to. Let's not bring it up here please.
Fred, might I ask, in light of Delicious carbuncle's post of 00:38, that you reverse your suppression? NW(Talk)03:30, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
So you're not willing to reverse an suppression of material you acknowledge is public information? That's not a rhetorical question, by the way; I'm curious if I am missing something obvious. NW(Talk)03:45, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
You are correct. All the edits made by User:Bali ultimate have been restored to full visibility. I suppose the elephant in the room; this is a nasty personal attack regardless of its factual basis or the availability of the information being used. User:Fred BauderTalk04:32, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
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Lies
You have no possible way of knowing that Andrea James recruited me to Misplaced Pages to edit her biography. If you had real evidence, you would (or at least should) have provided it already. Please take back your false accusation, admit that it was a lie, and apologize, both to me and to Andrea. Luwat (talk) 00:17, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm just going off of your light editing history (about 50 edits in a year or so) and direct leap into this. You can speak for yourself at AN/I. But a pro-tip? You might want to dial back the rhetoric (I don't much care myself but, well, they don't like this form of discourse around these parts). Won't engage with this further here.Bali ultimate (talk) 00:21, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Andrea James
I have read The New York Times article. Some of your edits with respect to Andrea James go well beyond the information contained in that source. Such assertions must be clearly supported by citations to reliable sources. I have suppressed several edits you have made which are Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons violations. Please consider this a final warning by an uninvolved administrator. We are prepared to deal with negative information, even outrage, but you must cite a reliable source with respect to every detail every time you post scandalous information. User:Fred BauderTalk21:43, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
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You're a little out of your depth it seems. The peer-reviewed academic paper by Alice Dreger, a professor of medical ethics at Northwestern University's medical school and published in the premeir journal of sex research, is the one with the greater detail (and is in turn cited to James own website). You can read it here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170124/?tool=pmcentrez . I quoted with a great deal of care. Happy reading.Bali ultimate (talk) 21:48, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
And I reverted again, and will likely suppress them too. Whatever of your opinion on Andrea James and this whole mud-slinging affair, it's not okay to tag someone's children with those slurs (nor, IMO, was it originally) - Alison21:46, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
So she was so vile that her vile behavior can't be pointed out on a no-indexed talk page, while a fellow activist lobbies for her record to be suppressed entirely? So, so silly.Bali ultimate (talk) 21:48, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I think everyone considers it to be vile and inexcusable, or they certainly should. The point is, though, that it's a massive BLP violation. And you suggest adding this to Bailey's biography? Please don't do that here - it's just propagating an already inexcusable slur against a third party - Alison21:52, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
No. I was told that the current language in the article, directly quoting from the NYT to the effect that James placed sexually explicit captions with pictures of Bailey's children was too vague and open to interpretation to be included in the article. So I'm pointing out there are much more specific options in higher quality sources if that is preferred. Of course, I know this is all a big game that's being played (OR! SYNTH! UNDUE! The parade of capitalized abbreviations has not even begun) to exclude a reasonable summary of the behavior (as stands in the article at present), but AGF requires me to take on these tactics as if they were serious.Bali ultimate (talk) 21:55, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Yeurgh :/ While I see your point, we need to balance your summarizing the situation (which I know you're trying to do as best as possible under the circumstances) against the risk of further propagating what was clearly an egregious slur against that man's kids. We clearly have different thresholds as to what's okay and what's not. Complaints had been made, which was why two oversighers got involved here - Alison23:11, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Was Bauder the former lawyer the other "oversighter"? He got involved because I'm the sort of person who, if I had a wikipedia article, he would have redirected it to a picture of a clown (that is, not of the "in-group.")Bali ultimate (talk) 23:17, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Ok, I've read the journal article at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170124/?tool=pmcentrez A dramatic formulation of that material is unsuitable for publication here due to its degrading nature. As you are a professional writer I believe you can craft a formulation that is informative without falling within WP:RD2, "Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material that has little/no encyclopedic or project value and/or violates our Biographies of living people policy. This includes slurs, smears, and grossly offensive material of little or no encyclopedic value,". I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you will be blocked if you persist. User:Fred BauderTalk00:19, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Fred, what won't work? The peer-reviewed article that recounts James' actions (involving her choice of captions to go along with pictures of the children of an intellectual opponent) is quite specific, and there is no source asserting that Dreger's recounting is false or inaccurate. I'll be blocked for, what, exactly? Repeating information in a peer-reviewed article? Since I'm a professional writer (unlike you) I do back my ability to summarize this material in a reasonable fashion. But your fellow wikipedians tell me that my summary choices are unacceptable "OR." So I respond to that by simply quoting the good sources without any alteration at all, if forced. What say you, sir? (can I assume that you, Fred, are the other "oversighter?" You haven't said).Bali ultimate (talk) 03:27, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
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I have removed your current statement. Phrases like "I particularly like the last bit", "having a man with Mr. Bauder's background questioning was very funny indeed", and the overall tone of the post were not appropriate. Please rethink how you are approaching your evidence before re-posting. This serves as your one and only warning. -- Lord Roem (talk) 01:55, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
The "tone" of my post. And who are you exactly "Lord Roem?" I'm being attacked with fabricated claims, by people in no position to judge me. My comments are factual and to the point.Bali ultimate (talk) 02:12, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Bali, the word slander itself is a very hefty charge. If you are going to make it, you need to substantiate it, and substantiate in a way that clearly articulates your feelings without going overboard. Additionally, please note that it is extraordinarily inappropriate to revert actions by the Clerks. I am willing to give you some advice on how to express your thoughts appropriate, in this very big case, but you need to abide by the guidelines laid out. -- Lord Roem (talk) 02:31, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
When you start moderating Priorymans/ChrisO's slanders of me and others, get back to me. Accusing me of harassment is slander (i'm not going to court over it, but that's what he's doing). I work with words for a living. Trust me on this "Lord Roem."Bali ultimate (talk) 02:35, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
You ignore the instructions of the Committee's clerks at your own risk. You were banned from the case by a clerk, and chose to not only launch a personal attack, by telling him to "go play in traffic", you defied the ban and reverted him. You are blocked for ten days. This block may not be lifted without the express approval of the Arbitration Committee, and your ban from this case will continue, should it still be ongoing, when this block expires. Courcelles03:18, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
