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Victoria Pynchon

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Several IP editors at Wikiproject Biography have asked that this page be deleted, so I am nominating this article on their behalf. Arguments for deletion are that the page is merely a resume written by Pynchon herself, and that, as an attorney, her accomplishments are not unusual or notable. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 04:41, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

This page appears to have been created by Ms. Pynchon herself. It does not satisfy the notability requirement, as its contents describe nothing more than a garden variety attorney in career twilight. While the article states that Ms. Pynchon is known for the ForbesWoman "She Negotiates" blog, this blog is not noteworthy, and garners few views. It appears that Ms. Pynchon is deliberately holding herself out as a writer for Forbes, however this is not the case. Forbes permits anyone to operate a blog on their site, much like blogspot.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.140.134 (talk) 21:20, 24 June 2012 (UTC) This template must be substituted.

• According to a contributor on Forbes, bloggers are paid. It is not a public blog like blogspot and wordpress; e.g., I could not find anywhere to "start a blog" on Forbes as you can do on blogspot. Instead, it seems more similar to The Huffington Post and The Daily Beast. AuthorAuthor (talk) 17:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
  • I looked at the page and its edit history and saw no evidence that Pynchon wrote the author, nor any evidence that the main contributor AuthorAuthor (talk · contribs) is Pynchon, either. If you plan on making accusations like that, you need some actual evidence. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 23:01, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
    • I love your your reply sidesteps the notability issue. This woman is a nobody. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.59.51.145 (talk) 02:26, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
      • Oh please. The Victoria Pynchon article wreaks of self promotion. Have a look at authorauthor's profile. He/she has previously been alleged to have been a paid editor, specifically within the context of the Pynchon article (and a number of other advertisements that have been deleted). And regardless of whether or not the article was penned by a pro, the point stands that this article does not meet the notability requirement, and for that reason does not belong on Misplaced Pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.140.134 (talk) 01:54, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
        • @Donde - This is a resume, not an article. Where are the in-depth 3rd party sources about her as the notability requirement calls for ? Please find some or else put this up for deletion, thanks 2604:2000:FFC0:61:7D4F:E18E:F843:81F1 (talk) 02:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC) This template must be substituted.
• Notability, notability, notability. How does this person meet the guidelines? There is nothing notable about this lawyer, she is just shamelessly self promoting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.132.71.231 (talk) 03:23, 25 June 2012 (UTC) This template must be substituted.
  • I agree. She is a regular lawyer posting her resume. It should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.61.154.128 (talk) 03:25, 25 June 2012 (UTC) This template must be substituted.
• Pynchon persists in deleting my neutral and factual account of the "Forbes: Is Law School Still a Golden Ticket?" section - the only section in this shameless self-promotion that may be worthy of remaining on Misplaced Pages. Nothing about her is notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.25.21.65 (talk) 09:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC) — 196.25.21.65 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Delete. I looked through all the references, and many of them are self-published or unreliable. Of the few that are from reputable sources, some don't even seem to mention her name, and others are just database listings about the fact that she is accredited. —JmaJeremy_CONTRIBS 07:24, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
• Delete. There appears to be nothing notable about this person. Rreagan007 (talk) 12:29, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
• Delete. Only one of the external links is to a website run by someone other than Pynchon. Three of them are broken. The working links are to her Facebook, Linkedin, Twitter, and personal blog. Her list of accomplishments is long, but this in and of itself does not constitute notability. For example, notability on law school faculty lists is usually only reserved for tenured law scholars with long publication records who are exemplary in their field- Pynchon is not tenured or a well-known scholar. None of her writings seemed to have been published in notable sources (notable enough to get their own Wiki page). The article mentions two law journals she was cited, not published in. Law journals often have hundreds or thousands of works cited per article, this is not notable. Her books have their own wiki page, created by the same authorauthor of her individual page. I would think this article could be salvaged if there was ONE substantial or significant event or fact about her life. The most notable things as far as I can tell are that she was profiled once in a trade journal, once moderated a panel with Gloria Steinem, and got into a spat with anonymous commentators on her personal blog. Even if notability could be established I think think the article would still need to be seriously cut. Her list of speaking engagements (none of which seem to be notable), list of admissions, and publications all seem like self-promotion.160.39.53.61 (talk) 18:29, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
• Keep. Extensive sourcing demonstrates that the subject clearly meets the GNG. I will check the broken links that have been pointed out. NPR, The New York Times, and the Daily News are included as sources, which are not "self-published or unreliable" per a comment above. The discussion here seems to focus on whether she should be notable, which isn't really among the deletion criteria. I will improve the article, find more third-party sources, and cleanup what has been called resume-like. Thank you. AuthorAuthor (talk) 14:52, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but whether she is notable is absolutely central to whether the page should be deleted. Articles on non-notable people are deleted (see WP:N). --Colapeninsula (talk) 15:42, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

AuthorAuthor is correct is saying that the question of whether or not the subject should be notable is not a valid part of the deletion criteria. The question is whether or not the subject is notable. That said, I disagree with AA's assertion that much of this discussion focuses on the former, as most of the comments appear to address the latter point.--JayJasper (talk) 16:24, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Where are these sources to the NYT and NYDN? I cannot find them in the source list.160.39.53.61 (talk) 18:29, 25 June 2012 (UTC)— 160.39.53.6 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Delete per nom. & others. Subject does not appear to have significant coverage in reliable independent sources. As others have noted, what mentions there are of her in reputable sources are generally trivial. Fails WP:GNG & WP:BIO.--JayJasper (talk) 16:15, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:26, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:26, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:26, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

• Strong Keep. There appears to be an active campaign by AutoAdmit to take down Ms. Pynchon, as noted on their site, which includes the question "shouldn't the first order of business be to get her Misplaced Pages page deleted?" Here is the link. Here's another AutoAdmit's link about their campaign against Pynchon. It also appears the AutoAdmit members posted the controversy, which appears to have been started by anti-law school folks and bragged about on the AutoAdmit site, and now included in Ms. Pynchon's Misplaced Pages article. Are AutoAdmit campaigns allowed to accomplish their agendas and campaigns via Misplaced Pages by, for their own purposes, asking admins to nominate pages for deletion? Sobering stuff. Critiker (talk) 17:02, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Whether Autoadmit begun this campaign to have the article reviewed for notability is irrelevant to whether Ms. Pynchon is notable or not. Ms. Pynchon may very well not be notable and it was only the attention garnered through AA (or through her post on her Forbes blog) that brought this to light. If you can make a persuasive argument to why she is notable to rebut any of the arguments above, please do so. The most notable thing about her right now seems to be that she was the subject of some minor controversy on a widely read legal blog (Paul Campos's Inside the Law School Scam).160.39.53.61 (talk) 17:21, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

I have to agree that it is irrelevant why the deletion nomination was started. The only real question is does the subject of the article meet Misplaced Pages's notability requirements. I do not believe that she does. Rreagan007 (talk) 21:13, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

• STRONG OWNED and STRONG DELETE There's nothing notable here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hehateme123 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 25 June 2012 (UTC) — Hehateme123 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Delete, although the subject has had brief mentions in multiple sources, some being self published sources, there hasn't been significant coverage of the subject herself to pass WP:GNG in my humble opinion. Additionally, although she appears to be published in a law review journal she does not appear to pass WP:SCHOLAR.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:03, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
• Delete, subject does not meet the notability requirements, all opposing views invoke mere collateral attacks and do not make any claim to stay that subject is actually notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.86.81.16 (talk) 18:40, 25 June 2012 (UTC) — 108.86.81.16 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Delete, subject does not meet the notability requirements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.35.213 (talk) 20:35, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
• Comment Without commenting on the subject's notability or fitness for inclusion here, or lack of same, I am absolutely APPALLED at the obvious ganging up on this subject by an organized group from outside Misplaced Pages, and at the viciousness of the attacks on her at that site, apparently because she "drew the ire of the entire interwebs for her ridiculous encouragement of some idiot's fourth tier law school dream". The posters at that unmonitored comment site then encouraged each other to "googlebomb the living shit out of her" and "get her Misplaced Pages page deleted". I would like to see this nomination withdrawn, and then resubmitted with semi-protection, so that we can discuss this as Wikipedians instead of as the sounding board for an attack posse. --MelanieN (talk) 23:14, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
• Comment Victoria Pynchon would probably prefer that the page be deleted now. Her reputation has been trashed on the internet now by the Paul Campos comments on "Inside the Law School Scam". Victoria Pynchon is an average lawyer who made the mistake of shilling for low ranked law school despite massive evidence that they are a huge mistake these days. Her detractors clearly realized that her Wiki page is merely a resume and doesn't deserve to exist, so they decided to focus on that as a point of attack. So be it. They are correct, the Wiki page is just a resume. It deserves to be deleted. The detractors are corrrect. Cattleprod1 (talk) 23:37, 25 June 2012 (UTC) This template must be substituted.

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