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Precious

	Bach music
	Thank you for treating Bach's instrumental music with profound knowledge, namely Clavier-Übung III and now Orgelbüchlein, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:18, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

I wonder if you may want to link to the occasions of the liturgical year which may not be known to the common reader, such as Purification, compare List of Bach cantatas by liturgical function? (And perhaps use less bold for titles, more italics?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

This is happening in the images and eventually will be in the text. There is a huge amount to add (musical excerpts, analysis, history, etc) and this will all happen in due course. The model for this article is closer to Great Eighteen Chorale Preludes. Please be patient and let me get on with writing the article. The titles will have English translations and that all takes time. At the moment I'm looking for images German stained glass... Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 12:14, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at Barber's Adagio. Please let me understand what do you mean by improperly sourced in your edit summary? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

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R&I review

I note that you haven't asked for my recusal in this case. I should probably have pinged you on this before I started voting on the principles, but I can retroactively recuse at this time if needed. So--do you want to assert that my involvement in some of the matters discussed in the evidence is sufficiently entangled that you do not trust me to be fair and impartial regarding the case. Because of how sufficiently entwined the matters are, I do not believe it appropriate for me to recuse with respect to one or two of the three editors involved, so any recusal would be an all-or-nothing affair. Jclemens (talk) 01:36, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Jclemens, on 27 February I left this message on your talk page. You replied thus. Ferahgo the Assassin (FtA)-Captain Occam (CO) happened to include those diffs of random comments on your election discussion page (a reply to Casliber) and on the workshop page of the abortion case when I briefly commented in defense of MastCell. It's hard to believe these diffs are being used to show anything within the context of WP:ARBR&I, but if they are, for whatever reason, then of course you were involved. On the election discussion page I made a very clear statement praising you as an administrator and you thanked me: I had made a clarification only after Casliber asked a question. FtA-CO were indiscrimante in the diffs they produced when they tabled their request for amendment and misrepresented those diffs with their commentary. Why two diffs like that are even under consideration here mystifies me. If the arbitration committee are seriously considering these as evidence of anything at all (my deep evilness perhaps :)), you probably would have to recuse. On the other hand I cannot believe they are. Because of the problems created by the diffs FtA_CO produced, my view is that you do not need to recuse, but that arbitrators should look very carefully at those diffs, as I have already said. Most of them show nothing at all. There are two referring to Echigo mole, whose ipsock left this comment on the amendment page. Mathsci (talk) 04:51, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Jclemens, you wrote this after your re-election to arbcom. Those comments appeared to be personal criticisms of critics, including presumably me. These, and similar comments in the abortion arbcom case, seem to still be motiva ting your edits. Having in an official capacity demanded responses to proxy-edits on behalf of a site-banned users in a request for amendment, you have then apparently labelled the responses as "battleground behaviour". Mathsci (talk) 14:18, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I asked you if you thought I could be impartial, and you replied above (in a somewhat convoluted manner) that you did not see a necessity for me to recuse. If I thought myself that I could not be impartial in this case, I would have recused without asking your opinion. It's a bit late in the game to bring up something once I've not recused, implying that me finding a degree of fault in your conduct--though not to a level sanctionable to even a topic ban level--is motivated by anything other than a detached assessment of the current situation rather than any fallout from the Abortion case. Indeed, one might presume that I would be favorably disposed to Occam/Ferahgo because they'd assisted me with evaluating evidence in the Abortion case. In fact, I call it exactly like I see it: I am not convinced there are two independent editors there, and you are often both right and excessively abrasive in the process of being right. Please take that feedback for what it is: my honest and impartial appraisal of the conduct of all involved parties. Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 17:53, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Jonathann Clemens, that is not what you asked me. You should probably have replied here before posting comments or votes elsewhere. Normally when arbitrators are lobbied by disruptive editors, they make no reply. Please take note. Mathsci (talk) 20:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

You asked whether you should recuse yourself. I made no definite reply. I already suggested in February that you probably should recuse, as recorded above. Then once more you yourself raised the question of recusal on 18 April. You chose not to reply here immediately, but went ahead and made statements on the PD page, without making any comments on the diffs concerning you. Now you have written that it's too "late in the day." Perhaps you might at least add a comment on one of the PD pages about those diffs, or even possibly the others, which probably should all be reread now that it has become apparent that FtA's edits are unreliable and misrepresent both herself and others. The diffs concerning you and MastCell are not personal attacks, do not concern ideological opponents (whatever that is supposed to mean) and do not display battleground conduct. FtA and CO have been described by Roger Davies as having "in particular a tendency to not hear combined with extraordinary persistence and tenacity (trying to get an iBan with Mathsci for nearly two years, for example) which are a poor fit for Misplaced Pages." Unfortunately those same observations apply equally well to their submissions to you during the abortion arbcom case concerning MastCell. FtA had been blocked by him, so could not be considered impartial. The evidence they produced against MastCell, which was not made public but presumably involved the diffs you placed on the workshop page, was a precursor to the type of "evidence" they produced about me during the request for amendment. Only arbitrators know what the private evidence of FtA and CO was like. Their on-wiki conduct would suggest that it was probably unreliable and and also quite likely to misrepresent all those concerned. Mathsci (talk) 07:07, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

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FYI I only nominated that because the reproduction of the engraving is extremely bad, not because of anything particular to the engraving itself. Yesterday I also tried to investigate this image of yours to find better info on the provenance of the image before a possible transfer to commons, but it doesn't seem that the British Museum actually holds the print (judging by a search of the British Museum's collection online--the database there seems to be comprehensive btw). I can't find anything really authoritative that dates this image or gives an author. Can you help find a reliable source describing where this image comes from? Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually, are you sure that first image (now on commons at File:J.S. Bach by August Weger.png) is by Weber? The source link goes to another image entirely (and searching that site doesn't bring up anything by Weger). Other sites credit a different engraving to Weger. (Obviously, it's possible that Weger did more than one engraving.) Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

That is the information that I found at the time when I uploaded it. Is there any reason to doubt it? Possibly on that website there was a mistake in recording the first name of the artist. Here for example on the website of the Bibliotheque Nationale de France is the same image. There it is stated that it is by Joseph Weger after a painting by Stichler, so possibly the source confused Joseph Weger with August Weger. The same image appears in several other places. So there probably was an error in the first name. Mathsci (talk) 22:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

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Oh good

I'm glad you're back William M. Connolley (talk) 08:39, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Your perspective would be of value

Hi there. I would appreciate it if you could visit Talk:Muhammad. The article, Muhammad, has changed significantly since it originally passed WP:GA several years ago. It now states in the opening paragraph that Mohammad is the Founder of Islam and has relegated to a note at the end of the article that Muslims, themselves don't believe this. I have started a discussion on the talk page concerning this and would value your input. Thanks so much. Veritycheck (talk) 00:58, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

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The following remedies have been enacted:

1. Mathsci (talk · contribs) is admonished for engaging in battlefield conduct
2. Ferahgo the Assassin (talk · contribs) and Captain Occam (talk · contribs) are site-banned from Misplaced Pages for a period of no less than one year. After one year has elapsed, a request may be made for the ban to be lifted. Any such request must address all the circumstances which lead to this ban being imposed and demonstrate an understanding of and intention to refrain from similar actions in the future.
3. SightWatcher (talk · contribs) is indefinitely banned from editing and/or discussing the topic of Race and Intelligence on any page of Misplaced Pages, including user talk pages, or from participating in any discussion concerning the conduct of editors who have worked in the topic. This editor may however within reason participate in dispute resolution and noticeboard discussions if their own conduct has been mentioned.
4. TrevelyanL85A2 (talk · contribs) is indefinitely banned from editing and/or discussing the topic of Race and Intelligence on any page of Misplaced Pages, including user talk pages, or from participating in any discussion concerning the conduct of editors who have worked in the topic. This editor may however within reason participate in dispute resolution and noticeboard discussions if their own conduct has been mentioned.

For the Arbitration Committee,

--Guerillero | My Talk 02:08, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Race and intelligence/Review

Resolved by motion at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment that:

FoF 2.5 in the Race and intelligence review be amended to read: Mathsci has engaged in borderline personal attacks and frequent battleground conduct.

For the Arbitration Committee,

-- Lord Roem (talk) 06:06, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Fixed SPI

Fixed. Sorry about that. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 14:45, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

He he, no problem at all :) Mathsci (talk) 14:46, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Penny Birch

What do you have on her? I noticed that that SPI did not bring you the desired result--can you make a stronger case there based on behavior? (I think that was the problem, right?) Drmies (talk) 04:57, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

It is a problem of wikistalking and related editors finding their way to obscure articles. I think three probable socks of A.K.Nole/Echigo mole have edited Chateau of Vauvenargues: Junior Wrangler, Penny Birch (with a 2 year gap) and Silver starfish. It is an obscure article which nobody would normally find.

Penny Birch's edits to the Chateau of Vauvenargues were problematic because of the timing. They followed edits by Junior Wrangler (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). A.K.Nole, one of Echigo mole's first accounts, and the other participants (Groomtech and Kenilworth Terrace) in User:The Wiki House wrote several articles related to Cheltenham and the University of Gloucestershire. Penny Birch too. The first editor on C. of V. was Junior Wrangler (talk · contribs) who because of his first and third edits and low level mathematics contributions, fits the pattern of A.K.Nole/Echigo mole. He created Spirella (disambiguation) adding the Spirella Building in Letchworth (see below).

But as far as the editors are concerned, the circumstanstial evidence is strong. The similarity between the names Zarboublian (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Gustave de Zarbouble cannot be an accident. Nor between The Wozbongulator (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Guozbongleur. The two blocked sockpuppets that interrupted the SPI diverted attention from the edits of Silver starfish (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). The two articles that were visited by many of the editors concerned were

• Beyond Vaudeville (Nellie Seamonster, Caderousse, ipsock 94.197.232.71)
• List of fictional elements, materials, isotopes and atomic particles {Silver starfish, Nellie Seamonster, Kenilworth Terrace, A.K.Nole/The WikiHouse)

as the first blocked sockpuppets pointed out at the SPI report, somewhat redundantly. But, as Echigo mole, they also knew about other hoaxes such as the Letchworth Corset Riot, created by Jspearmint (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), which linked to the Spirella Building. The use of Baldock in Robert de Baldoque and the deleted Baldock Beer Disaster mentioned by the sockpuppet is unlikely to be a coincidence.

Silver starfish created one of the hoax articles, La Maison du Guozbongleur. It was pure nonsense but referred to rue Cardinale, the small street in Aix where I live. A confirmed sockpuppet of Echigo mole, Caderousse (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) created the article on Church of Saint-Jean-de-Malte: Echigo mole worked out my real life identity, has written it on WP and has worked out where I live. I already wrote that I play the organ in the above church. There is no reason to create an article on rue Cardinale (the small street where I live) unless it recounts the history from a more modern source than something dating from 1848. Any modern guide book would do, but the detail is WP:UNDUE and the interesting history is not there, even recent facts (No. 23 was used in the filming of Beyond the Clouds of Antonioni and Wim Wenders). To me this is all part of Echigo mole's activities as a wikistalker. It's creepy. We know Echigo mole wrote the article on the church in January 2012. Silver starfish wrote the hoax article, mentioning the street, and the article in the street very recently (25 April 2012). There's something very fishy going on, particularly since Echigo mole is now resuming the use of the vodafone IP range 212.183.1.1/16. Mathsci (talk) 06:15, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Discussion on articles about Aix-en-Provence

Please stop attacking me for my edits — you have provided no evidence that this information is original research, and despite your claims, nineteenth-century sources are not unreliable simply because of their age. If you hold such an opinion, I would suggest that you nominate articles such as Political history of Mysore and Coorg (1565–1760) and Convention of 1832 at WP:FAR, because both of them are featured articles that make substantial use of nineteenth-century secondary sources. Moreover, getting rid of good-quality information doesn't help the encyclopedia, and if a rule prevents me from improving or maintaining Misplaced Pages, I'm going to ignore it and restore the information. Nyttend (talk) 19:24, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

You may have noticed that I was so far from enabling this user that I asked for a sockpuppet block by a checkuser in order to strengthen the case against this user. I am not interested in retaining banned users, so I do not enable them. Nyttend (talk) 19:26, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

I simply restored text that you removed; I cannot check print sources. Kindly refrain from instructing me to avoid editing certain pages; only the community or Arbcom may issue topic bans. Finally, official government references for historic sites are reliable sources and not primary. I began this process with sympathy toward you, but your words are driving me more and more to doubt your good faith. Nyttend (talk) 22:49, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

I am quite experienced in writing articles on France and French culture. In this case editors involved in creating hoax articles have created stubs and than sub-stubs of stubs which fed into the hoax articles. They were editing in bad faith; it probably is true that Silver starfish is a sockpuppet. If you have lost faith in my editing of French articles, please look here and here . It's quite easy for me to add content to quartier Mazarin listing the major buildings in the quartier. That would be divided up amongst roads and squares in the article. Once that it is done it would be reasonable to discuss whether individual streets or squares merit separate articles. That would seem the reasonable way to go and is what is normally found in modern books on Aix. The history of the quartier and the occupants of notable buildings are intimately linked. The problem here would seem to have been created by hoaxers not by me and I am suggesting a systematic way of adding content on Aix in an encyclopedic way. As an illustration, the Conservatoire Darius Milhaud is on a small street. It occupies one of the grandest hotels particuliers in the quartier Mazarin. It does not deserve an article on its own, nor would the small street on which it is. However, it is natural to describe it in detail in the article quartier Mazarin. It is briefly described in the article on Aix, although I'm not sure whether content has been added explaining that it has been sold to become a private museum and that a new conservatoire is currently under construction behind the Pavillon Noir and the Grand Theatre de Provence. Mathsci (talk) 23:45, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Stop

Please stop tagging the starfish account per Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Echigo_mole/Archive#Clerk.2C_CheckUser.2C_and.2For_patrolling_admin_comments_36. Nobody Ent 10:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

No checkuser was run and no comments were made on the account because Echigo mole disrupted with two sockpuppets. My understanding is that there was also no recorded data available (i.e. records were stale) because of the delay in detecting the edits. The tagging is allowed and reflects my informed view: the hoax articles, one of which was created by Silver starfish, point ineluctably to sockpuppetry. If anybody can explain the coincidence between Gustave de Zarbouble and Zarboublian fine. If this account, or any of the other three accounts edit again, they are likely to be blocked indefinitely. Another account that made one single edit yesterday Sophie Germaine was blocked indefinitely as a result of that single edit reported by me. Another sockpuppet is also active at the moment. I have not yet tagged the account as a suspected sockpuppet, but am watching it vigilantly. One of the past problems, certainly a year ago, was keeping track of the accounts: checkusers on arbcom helped privately with that (Shell Kinney and then Elen of the Roads). So please could you mind your own business if, as it seems, you have not followed matters closely and do not know how to recognize the sockpuppets? Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 10:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

No need to have the last word

Hi Mathsci, while I can understand your exasperation with the Echigo situation, would you perhaps consider removing your latest posting at the AN thread, which you added after I closed the thread? I recognize you might not have noticed it was closed a few minutes earlier. It's not a big deal, but my main reason in closing the thread was that I felt neither Collect nor you had much to gain from continuing that exchange. Cheers, – Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:20, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

It was an edit conflict, but when I pressed save, I saw your close, which I prefer :) So certainly. Regards, Mathsci (talk) 15:26, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration

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Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keystone Crow (talk • contribs) 04:34, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Apparently this has been reverted out of existence: . --Akhilleus (talk) 04:50, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Also, unsurprisingly, Keystone Crow is blocked. --Akhilleus (talk) 05:03, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

It is yet another sockpuppet of Echigo mole. Mathsci (talk) 05:05, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Email

Hey Mathsci. I recently sent you a completely not-urgent email. Feel free to respond whenever you have the time. Best, NW (Talk) 21:38, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, NW. Will look :-) Mathsci (talk) 22:06, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

E.M.

Your patience during this process was appreciated. The extra gnashing of teeth (and the posting as IP slip up) will help me in the future to match him up, if I need to. Since the material is beyond me (I couldn't tell you a good edit from a bad one in that field, honestly) and I have to act based on my understanding, not just the word of the reporter, hopefully we can start reducing the time to act since I have a reference for behavior now. I was sure you were right, because I trusted you, but I didn't trust me until the end. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 23:12, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks,--TrevelyanL85A2 (talk) 20:08, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

TrevelyanL85A2

Out of curiousity...in regards to your AE request, are you saying that TrevelyanL85A2 is already site-banned? Or are you asking for a site ban? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:13, 8 July 2012 (UTC)