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Christopher Winship

Prodded on grounds This article lacks information on the notability of the subject, as per WP:BIO. Deprodded on grounds that subject teaches at Harvard so bringing to AfD. Eusebeus 11:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Google Scholar brings back 987 hits for 'Christopher Winship +sociology'. How does this compare with the Prof Test?  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  12:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, the criteria for academics not met. It is:

1. The person is regarded as an significant expert in their area by independent sources.
2. The person is regarded as an important figure by those in the same field.
3. The person has published a large quantity of academic work (of at least reasonable quality).
4. The person has published a well-known or high quality academic work.
5. The person is known for originating an important new concept, theory or idea.
6. The person is known for their involvement in significant events relating to their academic achievements.
7. The person is known for being the advisor of an especially notable student.
8. The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for them.

Any Harvard or other Ivy League professor should have a large amount of published work, leading to a high hit count on Google, so a high Ghit is not in and of itself notable. San Saba 13:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

You really should read that page more carefully. It is quite clear that meeting any one of the listed criteria is sufficient to establish notability, but that the list is not exclusive or exhaustive. The guideline also states, quite explicitly, that "Receiving full professorship at a prestigious university, or receiving a named professorship at a reputable university" can be considered a notable award or honor. Since there is no dispute, I hope, that Harvard is generally regarded as "prestigious," it should be clear that the article clearly asserted, and gave presumptive evidence of, notability. Monicasdude 18:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete; as above, currently fails WP:PROF. However, if the assumed 'large amount of published (academic) work' was referenced, then per above I would change my vote to keep. Colonel Tom 13:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per San Saba. Kuzaar 14:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep, bad faith nomination with dishonest rationale. Apparently Eusebeus would have us believe that identifying a subject as the chair of a major academic department at Harvard University is not providing "information on the notability of the subject." An AfD nomination which so clearly misrepresents the contents of the article in question is impossible to take in good faith. Monicasdude 15:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. While, unsurprisingly, Monicadude is taking the contents of the article on faith -- Winship's own bio on the Harvard website doesn't reference any such chairmanship, oddly enough, and just as unsurprisingly, characterizing disagreements with his position as dishonesty and bad faith, Winship holds an academic chair at Harvard, and a cursory look at those G-hits show that he has published quite literally dozens of articles, monographs and other such works. RGTraynor 15:48, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

  Comment. Please read my statements a bit more carefully; the nominator stated that the article didn't include any "information on the notability of the subject"; your point is that it did include information of that sort, but that the information may not be sufficiently verified or may be inaccurate. Those are two different issues. I was quite careful to note that Eusebeus misrepresented the contents of the article, a point that you don't seem to disagree on. And, besides, the second and third Google primary entries for this search document his status as having chaired the department Monicasdude 16:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

  I was not the one who initially prodded the article, User:Scientizzle did; I am simply restating the reasons given by the initial prod. However, asserting that being chairman of a university department (even Harvard) is immediate and indisputable grounds for notability is simply ingenu. Chairmanships are served on a rotating basis by faculty and are often avoided assiduously as being a burdensome administrative and political position. There is a standard for inclusion of professors on WP, and while you could perhaps be excused for overlooking this, the fact that San Saba has specifically outlined it above makes your angry demand to speedy keep and your gratuitous accusation of bad faith and dishonesty seem simply absurd. Eusebeus 16:22, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

  You might consider telling the truth. I did not say that chairing a Harvard department was "indisputable grounds for notability." I said it was information relating to notability. You posted a claim that the article contained no such information. Were you deliberately misprepresenting the contents of the article, or are you claiming that an obviously inaccurate claim in a prod nomination is a good faith reason to propose deleting on article on an otherwise notable subject? And, despite your snide, uncivil and almost entirely uninformed comments on the notability standards for professors, it will be clear to anyone who actually reads the page involved that San Saba's analysis was undeniably incorrect. Perhaps you should read the page before you propose any further deletions of notable academics. Monicasdude 17:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)