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2012 Aurora shooting

I am not clear on what I did wrong. United States Man (talk) 23:26, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the template. My concern is with WP:BLPCRIME. Viriditas (talk) 23:29, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I was just trying to keep the content on the page because there was an edit war going on. The IP kept removing it but I just put the info back until everyone figured everything out. United States Man (talk) 23:35, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to delete the template I added to our talk page. I think the IP was right for removing it. We need to be very careful with adding this kind of material. The person wasn't charged with any crime. Viriditas (talk) 23:37, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay. United States Man (talk) 23:41, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

And just to let you know, HammerFilmFan sent a message to Huntster because he thinks you should not send messages and called you a bit testy. United States Man (talk) 23:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Message received. I'm working on composing a new message for HammerFilmFan right now. I think he'll like it. Viriditas (talk) 23:50, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I like that too. Lol. United States Man (talk) 23:57, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I'll see if I can get better sources.DaltonCastle (talk) 06:36, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

No worries. I'm sure you'll find something. Viriditas (talk) 06:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

You are....

...much too kind. Arcandam (talk) 14:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Columbine shooting on Aurora shooting article

I've been off Misplaced Pages for the past few days, since before you left your comment on my Talk page, and I have no idea what state the article is in now, but just to respond to your comment: I simply didn't think that particular statistic merited being mentioned in the lede as one of the most important facts about the Aurora shooting. There aren't a lot of big shooting events in Colorado, so saying it's one of the biggest shooting events in Colorado doesn't seem that significant to me. I thought the statistic about the most victims in any shooting in NATIONAL history would have better justification for being in the lede. But I removed the Colorado stat from the lede in full awareness that it was just my opinion that it didn't belong there, and that I might be reverted; also, I didn't remove it where it was mentioned elsewhere in the office. As I said, I have no idea if the Colorado stat is anywhere in the current version; that was just my rationale for removing it at the time. Theoldsparkle (talk) 18:49, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, we disagree. I work on lead sections all the time, and this kind of statistic always appears in the lead. Viriditas (talk) 21:29, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Your idea of having WP:Conservatism work on the radical gay activism article

I am very much not in favor of this. WP:Conservatism is (and, to all appearances, is intended to be) a vote-stacking machine for editors with a conservative affiliation, not simply a project for improving conservatism-related topics. There are some articles it's difficult to prevent them bannering, because they maintain the claim to being an actual WikiProject rather than a resurrection of the conservative notice board and WikiProjects may banner and watch articles within their scope, but this article isn't about conservatism - it's of interest to conservative editors because they might wish to use Misplaced Pages to push an anti-gay agenda, but asking the alleged wikiproject to banner the article, against wikiproject practice, is just inviting more trouble of the kind we're already having. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:53, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I think that whatever we do, we need to remain optimistic and hopeful about editors from different backgrounds working together to collaborate. Viriditas (talk) 06:11, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Neogeo diffs

Thanks for finding those. That did change the character of the situation... Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 22:57, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

FarenHYPE blanking

Your blanking of FahrenHYPE 9/11 is a violation of WP:BLANK. The guideline states:

If you think an article has no useful content, then either fix it, or else leave it in its present state and propose it for deletion.

The guideline provides the following exemptions:

• Libel
• Privacy of BLP
• Copyright vio
• Incorporation into another article

The reason you provided does not qualify as a allowable exemption under the guideline. The rationale you left was "you do not get to maintain and promote unsourced articles." Besides not being an acceptable exemption, I find it highly personal and suggest you stick to improving FahrenHYPE and leave the drama to another "unnamed editor" who is much better at it. Note that the article was previously kept at a deletion discussion and represents a consensus which is still in effect. Obviously you need a new consensus--at AFD--to blank the article. – Sir Lionel, EG 04:55, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Insults are a poor form of humor. The problem is that the humor is subjective, but the insult remains. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 04:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Lionel, a redirect to a parent topic is not a blanking, nor do I need a consensus to redirect an unsourced article that has packed sources for eight years. I'm afraid you have the burden of proof backwards. It is you who needs to add sources to prevent the redirect. Viriditas (talk) 05:18, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

The guideline defines blanking as "editing a page so as to leave it... without any substantial content." Redirecting certainly falls within that description. You see, once it goes to AFD, a whole bunch of editors will scramble to find sources. Why should I have to find sources all by myself? This is supposed to be a collaboration. In any event, if you have a policy which supercedes or negates WP:BLANK lemme know.– Sir Lionel, EG 05:28, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Lionel, the page wasn't "left" without substantial content—it was turned into a redirect. This is the third time you've claimed that a redirect is a "page blanking". It wasn't and it isn't, and it sounds like you need to read up on redirects. Appealing to a deletion discussion from eight years ago isn't helpful. There are no sources, and the burden is on the editor wishing to keep content not on an editor redirecting an unsourced aricle to a parent topic after remaining unsourced for eight years. If this isn't making sense, feel free to escalate this to the appropriate noticeboard, but please don't continue to make silly claims on this page. Viriditas (talk) 05:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

FYI a link to a policy--any policy--would make this go away fast.– Sir Lionel, EG 05:55, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Lionel, I'm not trying to make anything go away, and while appealing to a rule might work in some situations, I find it helpful to use our minds instead. Tell me, Lionel, what is the difference between page blanking and redirecting? Viriditas (talk) 06:23, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

• WP:BLANK: "editing a page so as to leave it completely blank or without any substantial content"
• WP:REDIRECT: "a redirect is a page which has no content ..."

I hope you aren't going to suggest that a "blank" page is different than a page with "no content." – Sir Lionel, EG 11:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

• You stopped one word short. A redirect has no content itself. That's not the same as having no content. The intent of WP:BLANK is to prevent articles from being useless blank pages and ensuring that any article that a reader arrives at has meaningful information; if they are redirected to a relevant article then this goal is fulfilled. WP:BLANK is a guideline that should be used with common sense; guidelines aren't meant to be taken as a literal word-for-word law that must be followed to the letter. This is especially true when the redirected page in question is completely without sources. WP:V is a policy, and as the entire page has no sources of any kind, and therefore no content that can be retained in keeping with WP:V, this core policy supersedes the guideline you're referring to. - SudoGhost 12:37, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Informing you

This message is to inform you that you came up in a discussion on the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#News. Viewmont Viking (talk) 08:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

GA Nomination for Traditional healers of South Africa

Hi thanks for looking into the article. I have done what I can, however, even if it is still far off being a GA, feedback on what else could be done to improve it would help signficantly. A user Lemurbaby (talk) was going to look into it and was the one that suggested I nominate it, however they haven't responded, so I assume they are busy elsewhere. Please let me know if there is anything else I can do in the meantime. Mycelium101 (talk) 09:27, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

It will take me a few days to a week to complete the review. Please be patient. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 09:44, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

I have made as many updates/recommendations as per the GA review as I can see. I believe it is in a position for final review. Thanks once again for all your work. Mycelium101 (talk) 08:28, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I'll attempt to take a look tomorrow morning. Viriditas (talk) 09:30, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. Take your time and no hurry. I appreciate your input and time you have spent on this. From one appreciator of mycelium (and all it provides) to another ;-) Mycelium101 (talk) 09:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Jared Lee Loughner

If you check the edit history of Jared Lee Loughner you will notice the RFC bot had closed the RFC as expired (older than 30 days) PRIOR to my edits. RFC's expire automatically at 30 days of age. Safiel (talk) 16:15, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

It looks like you took care of the problem with the no archive directive. Viriditas (talk) 02:51, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Hawaiian User looking for GA reviewer

I stumbled across a user called KAVEBEAR who specialises in Hawaiian articles who has been asking questions about how to get articles reviewed for GA status. I thought of you and thought this might be in your area too. One of the articles she is asking about is Wahinepio. Regards Mycelium101 (talk) 09:24, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking of me! However, that might present a project COI, so I won't be reviewing any Hawaii-related articles now or in the future. The COI is only that I have an interest in seeing Hawaii-related articles improved, so that would not make me a neutral reviewer as a member of the Hawaii project. It's best if random people on the GA review board take such a task, and that's pretty much how I operate. In other words, every GA review I've ever done has been because I'm either helping to clean out the backlog or I'm picking a random article from a GA category. Granted, I might have some interest or knowledge about the topic, but I try to choose a topic in as random a manner as possible so as not to present a problem. Viriditas (talk) 09:51, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

ANI notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:53, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Kanaka maloko

I encountered this and have no clue what to make of it. It could be upside down and make equal sense to me. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:51, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Reagan

You know it really turns me on when you quote Reagan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lionel (talk • contribs) 06:16, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a sister? Is she a redhead?  :) But, seriously, Reagan's comments in this matter are very interesting. Viriditas (talk) 06:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Drama

I think you mean well, so I'm going to do my best to be nice about this. You keep saying I should have less drama and more editing. I agree. In fact, I'm on a drama reduction program right now.

Part of it is asking Macon to stick to his commitment to disengage from me. Another part is asking you to consider doing the same. Lately, you've been showing up on ANI forums and my talk page, making comments that serve to increase the amount of drama in the name of decreasing it. This seems counterproductive to me.

Take a break from me. If you see my name and feel an urge to respond, please think twice. Ask yourself if things wouldn't go smoother if you looked on in silence. And by all means, start by unwatching my talk page.

I don't hate you, I don't think you're a horrible person. I think you're caught up in a way that's just not working. Let go of it and we'll both be less frustrated. The drama level will decrease and we'll be able to focus on articles. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 06:29, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

You just don't get it. I'm trying to prevent you from getting blocked. The way you're going though, I predict you will get yourself blocked in less than two weeks. I hope not, but you are on the wrong path. Maybe it will take another block for you to get a clue. Viriditas (talk) 08:04, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I wonder what sort of false report will get me blocked next time. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 13:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Barefooting!

Hi Viriditas!

We've "met" each other occasionally in here, and I was just reading through The WikiProject Medicine talk page when I noticed your post about barefoot running :D Barefooting is a subject I'm personally interested in, having had possibly the best bit of physiotherapist-generated advice I ever had in my life – "Go barefoot whenever you possibly can!" Of course I know that my own experiences aren't helpful, as such, but might be interesting to you. Are you interested in the subject as a whole, or just working on the article?

I have Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, and (as a result) have suffered from all sorts of stuff associated with it. I used to have tremendous problems with my feet (mainly recurrent dislocations and subluxations of tarsals, metatarsals, and phalanges). Also a lot of leg and lower back problems as knock-on effects of the foot problems. I've been predominantly a barefooter for well over a decade now (I only use footwear in circumstances where my feet would be over-prone to injury otherwise), and, from personal experience only, I've noticed a significant improvement not only in the feet, but also in my general health. Interesting stuff – much more of a whole-body change than I ever expected. Massive improvement in circulation in my feet, for one. Despite walking barefoot in snow and frost, I haven't had a chilblain or Raynaud's symptoms on my feet now for over a decade. Pesky (talk) 05:08, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Aloha, I'm a big fan of your work and your attempt to help improve communication between editors. I'm trying to get a review going over at barefoot running but I haven't finished the one I'm working on just yet (although things are coming to a crashing close, so to speak). So, I'm curious, just how do you get used to walking barefoot in snow and frost? I can't stand cold feet! Viriditas (talk) 08:59, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Awww, thanks! The thought of having a fan like you made me feel all emotional, lol! I think my feet get used to the changing seasons gradually – I certainly notice the cold far more if there's a sudden change from warm to frosty. Standing still in snow and frost is uncomfortable (gets too cold) but provided I keep moving the feet seem to cope OK. Not that we get really intense cold here in the UK; I expect it might be different if I were in a different part of the world. The thing I find more of a problem is when I have to wear something on my feet, and it's warm weather: my body's got so used to using my feet as a way to shed excess heat that I over-heat very quickly if I'm working hard and my feet are all wrapped up. Pesky (talk) 03:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the Barnstar

Thank you for the Barnstar. I noted your page comments and left my comments on the talk page. Thanks! Quill and Pen (talk) 02:56, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Korean War

If my characterization of your repeated promotion of a band on my talk page (and on another talk page) as "spam" offended you, I'm sorry that we got off on the wrong foot; however, please reply to my lengthy comments on the Korean War TP rather than just reverting as soon as you are able to do so without violating the 3RR. Thanks,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 07:05, 20 August 2012 (UTC)