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Your recent edit at User talk:Athenean

Hello E4024. Please be aware that your undoing of an edit by Athenean on his own talk page was incorrectly described by you as a vandalism revert. Users are free to remove messages on their own talk per WP:REMOVED. I have no idea what disagreement you may be having with Athenean, but if you are planning to escalate this, it is not wise to begin with an incorrect charge of vandalism. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 23:02, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I am sorry. I was not aware of that. I thought one could not erase other's Talk wherever it was. Sorry to disturb you and thanks for the information. I will not repeat the same consciously. All the best and sorry again. --E4024 (talk) 23:09, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

BTW EdJohnston, do you happen to have another user name? Regards. --E4024 (talk) 13:44, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

You mean something like a WP:SOCK? Δρ.Κ.  15:21, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

May 2012

You were warned. You continued. You have been reported . Athenean (talk) 18:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

You are currently blocked for 14 days due to your persistent edit-warring, incivility, and disruption. You seem convinced Misplaced Pages is a battleground. It is not. Please take the time off to reflect on this and come back with a new attitude based on compromise, collegiality, and consensus. Moreschi (talk) 19:52, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

If this means I will not see the accuser and his copains for two weeks I am very grateful to you for this block...--E4024 (talk) 19:57, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I meant companions. May I be left alone now, please... --E4024 (talk) 21:22, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I did not even know if such a use existed until you claimed that. The only thing I am sure is you are one of the copains (friends of the accuser) I was happy to leave behind. So now with your permission I will erase your talk again and request you not to return here. --E4024 (talk) 21:44, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Turks in Anatolia

The Turks came to Anatolia (where they still live) much before 10th Century. The first Turkish peoples (or tribes) to form part of the Eastern Roman (Byzantine if you wish) Empire and to fight in its armies mostly turned to Christianity and after the islamisation of the bulk of the Turkish immigration into Anatolia, either disappeared within the Christian society (some of them) or were converted to islam (most of them) and their previous existence in Rome (Anatolia) mostly forgotten.

One reason the Turks won the Manzikert War easily is the fact that many Turkish tribes, who were within the Byzantine army ranks, changed sides when they realized that the "enemy" they were fighting against was their own kins. (Some of those Christian Turks survive in Moldovia, the Balkans end elsewhere under the name of Gagauz.

I wish to attract attention to the article Bardanis o Toupkos or "Bardanes the Turk", about an Armenian general of the Byzantine army who served between 895-903 for the Empire. In other words, even by then (as early as the end of IXth Century) the so-called Armenian plateau (today part of Eastern Anatolia Region of Turkey) was known as a place associated with the Turkish people, who dwelled in that area, and had such a strong presence to outname the Armenians who claim to be contemporaries of Noah at times...

I hope this information may be useful to develop the contents of the Turkish people article. --E4024 (talk) 21:57, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Kurabie

E4024, in Greek, kurabiye is spelled κουραμπιές, that is, kourampies (not kouramphies) and pronounced /kura'bjes/. The digraph μπ (mp) is the standard way to render the 'b' sound, as the letter β is pronounced 'v'. The plural is κουραμπιέδες kourampiedhes, pronounced /kura'bjeðes/. Why do you ask?

Yes, there are many people on Misplaced Pages who seem to be pushing their own national/ethnic group. I suspect that this is partly out of an excess of pride (chauvinism), and partly simply that they are familiar with one side of the story, but not others. Unfortunately, the educational systems of many countries do not present a very balanced or complete view of history. --Macrakis (talk) 23:35, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

No special reason to ask kurabiye, I simply saw it somewhere (for the first time) and thought you could know. As regards the educational system, I agree with you. I worked -many years ago- on an official project of reviewing school books (and eliminating hostile talk) mutually with some neigbouring countries of Turkey. Specifically two were not very welcoming; one returned us the books we sent them because there were pictures of females in "unislamic" dress and another (Greece) did not respond favourably to the idea, for reasons they never specified. Armenia was not independent then and we did not contact the "Republic of Cyprus".

I wrote to you because I know I can learn a lot about my own country, Turkey, from some Greeks. You look like a person with whom I could talk...

All the best. --E4024 (talk) 23:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

E4024, thanks for your note. I seem to remember there was a joint Greek-Turkish study of the presentation of history in schoolbooks some years ago. I was sure I'd find it in the bibliography of Yannis Hamilakis's "'Learn History!': Antiquity, National Narrative, and History in Greek Educational Textbooks", in The Usable Past: Greek Metahistories, but that article focuses more on ancient history than medieval/modern. Clio in the Balkans looks like an interesting collection, too.

I look forward to working with you collaboratively on Misplaced Pages. --Macrakis (talk) 18:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Selam

Gecmis olsun. Her iste bir hayir vardir. Ister misin simdi de "Ingilizce Vikide Türkce konusmaktan" engellenelim... Sevgiler. --E4024 (talk) 21:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Selam. Teşekkürler. Normalde olsa güler geçerdim ama..:) Bir mail atmıştım, seninkine cevaben, aldın mı acaba? Bir de bizim konu burada tartışılmaktadır, ister Türkçe ister İngilizce fikir belirtebilirsin, istersen. İyi günler.--Rapsar (talk) 10:38, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Aldim, aldim. --E4024 (talk) 18:21, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Custom wikilove

	Nice work
	Test to see if this works SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that most of what you've received from admins is warnings and blocks. Not an environment conclusive to what we want to accomplish. As you guessed, my post was dual purpose - I saw your post to Dougweller, and thought it shouldn't be hard to do that, so part of the purpose was to show you how to do it. If it still isn't clear, go to Doug's page, click on the heart next to View History, then on "make your own, use Turkish dolma.JPG (or some other option in Category:Dolma), and fill in the rest.

However, I did take a glance at your contributions, to ensure that my message "Nice work" would be accurate, so it is partly aimed at you.

I did have some dolma when I was in Turkey, (although I confess I tried yogurt soup and it wasn't my favorite). I haven't seen much of your country outside of Istanbul, but I was humbled by the incredible history of that city. I live in a place where we get excited about things a couple hundred years old, and in Istanbul I visited the mosque built in 1597 which you call the New Mosque.SPhilbrick(Talk) 19:46, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Next time try a Tripe Soup then... :-) --E4024 (talk) 06:56, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Dolma and sarma

Understood. I've tried to reword the material about sarma and dolma -- take a look and see what you think. --Macrakis (talk) 21:31, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Saw it, thank you. That was not the most important issue in WP but it is kind of you to consider my view. That is enough for me... All the best. --E4024 (talk) 21:36, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Hurried a bit. (I was talking about smt previous.) "Yaprak sarma" is not used for cabbage leaves, that one is "Lahana (a Greek-origin word) sarma". "Yaprak (leaf) is used only for vine leaves. The other leaves are always specified. Never mind though... --E4024 (talk) 21:47, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

RE: Dessert (pospasto) de cara tostada

Çok teşekkür ederim! I accept gladly this sütlaç, which moreover is the favorite dessert of my wife. :-) Personally I prefer the Baklavas from Güllüoğlu, still better if kaymaklı :-) BTW, I don't know for sure whether they originate from Greece or Turkey, but for sure I know that the Turkish ones are the best in the world! Sevgiler, Alex2006 (talk) 12:19, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Why didn't you tell me you understand Turkish? (I think your wife is Turkish, right? Tell her we have the same favourite in desserts and add my regards. Trying to write something in Italian I began in English, continued in Portugese and ended in Spanish! :-) --E4024 (talk) 12:30, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Ben türk anlıyorum, aba çok zor (but, as I see, Italian is not that easy too :-)) Benim eşim istanbullu. I will tell her about your preference, she will be happy since we always fight about dessert (we reach actually a compromise ordering Künefe :-)). Actually, as I know Turks, most of them prefer Suvlaç to Baklava (but maybe only because they are on diet :-) ). Alex2006 (talk) 12:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

No comment on the diet issue. Now I understand why your wife beats you... :-) --E4024 (talk) 14:24, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Some Clarifications on Baklava

In Turkey, Baklava is made generally with the following fillings: Ceviz (Walnut), Antepfistigi (Pistacho) or "Kaymak". In the Black Sea region Hazelnut is also widely used instead of the above mentioned other filling nuts. Baklava can be eaten simple, just as it comes but the tradition is eating them either with Ice-cream (Dondurma) or Kaymak on top. The choice is generally not between the two toppings but depends on the time of the year: Summer is for Ice-cream and Winter for Kaymak. (Spring and Fall depends on the temperature. :-) The same topping choices are valid when eating Kadayif, although many prefer to top it with only chopped walnuts.

Now we come to the specialised part: The "Kaymak" we put on top of a serving of, say, Walnut Baklava(s) is not the same "Kaymak" which is the filling material of one type or sort of Baklava(s). This last "Kaymak" is a filling paste based on a vanilla, milk and other whatsoever mixture.

As regards the "Kaymak" on top, which is a milk cream variety, the Turkish KAYMAK (especially made from water buffalo milk) is a "delicacy" all by itself. Has nothing to do with the pic at the Kaymak article in WP. --E4024 (talk) 15:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Interesting, I did not know about Kaymak as filling. In Karaköy they have also Baklava with chocolate, but I always refused to eat them, I think is an abomination. :-) About Kaymak, agree 100%. When I am in Istanbul, I often go to a small shop in Kumkapı, more than 100 years old, that delivers Kaymak to the best restaurants in Istanbul, and have there Bal Kaymak... Paradise :-) Alex2006 (talk) 05:21, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

In Istanbul there are a few Kaymak paradises, one of them is between Beşiktaş and Ortaköy. The real Kaymak paradise is Afyon(karahisar) though. You should visit the İkbal Restaurant (not the huge road-side Panayır/funfair of fast food with the same name, the traditional restaurant in the town center) and after enjoying some authentic Turkish food (in this restaurant they only serve veal, no mutton, and they also beat people who dare use the word "kebap" :-) please give yourself a treat of Kaymaklı Ekmek Kadayıfı. If you still not have cholesterol, diabetes and/or weight problems you will repeat the huge portion and will forget the dessert that you now like. (What was it called, Baklava, Baklawa, Pakhlava? :-)

As regards avantgarde Turkish dessert options, IMO, Chocolate Baklava is not a less futuristic fantasy than the "Hamsili Baklava" that they invented in the Black Sea region. Although I am more compromising on "Vişneli Ekmek Kadayıfı" (How to translate this for God's sake? :-) introduced by İkbal -the franchise option- but also served by the conventional restaurant in Afyon. --E4024 (talk) 09:34, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Not qualified

Sorry, but I have done no work in the area of sock investigations, so don't have the skill set, nor the tools to determine if that IP is from a sock. The place to make such a request is Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations, where editors and admins with experience in this are can help.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 19:51, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

If I only knew how to do that... :-) --E4024 (talk) 09:45, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Nicosia

There is still no consensus on the Nicosia status. There has not been a thorough discussion on the issue. Please see my comments on the talk page and discuss before making controversial changes. Masri145 (talk) 07:32, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I have asked for a discussion regarding the articles on the two municipalities of Nicosia, several days before that. I am still waiting for you and others to come to discuss that important issue, very relevant to the divided status of Cyprus and Nicosia. Greetings. --E4024 (talk) 09:52, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

About the reason for your revert on Turks of Western Thrace article

(Retaliation is not justified in International Law when human rights are concerned. Why do we need justifications for the negative actions of the Greek Government? POV edits reverted.
I am unclear why you reverted my recent edit on this article. Isn't it a fact the Greek Government only started referring to Thracian Turks as "Greek Muslims" after 1983 ? For what reasons do you think ? Whether you believe the Greek actions were illegal or not, it's the truth. Did u revert because you didn't like the truth ? Come over to Turks_of_Western_Thrace so we can discuss all of this and more. HelenOfOz (talk) 13:05, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Do not make controversial edits without discussing and the discussion make it on the article's talk page please, not here. I will see the discussion if I am interested in the topic. --E4024 (talk) 14:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Braga

I’m writing this on the coast near Braga. --MRothwell 23:33, 11 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrothwell (talk • contribs)

Enjoy it. Nice place. Eat a Caldo Verde for this scribe, please... --E4024 (talk) 23:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

with Vinho Verde. BTW I don't understand why my previous comment appeared as "unsigned" - I placed 4 ~s after it. --MRothwell 23:47, 11 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrothwell (talk • contribs)

Cheers. Why don't you use the "signature thing", up, at the leftside when editing: Just after the Bold B, Italic I and something like a mini-screen, there it is, before the chain (link) sign. (Couldn't be better expressed by a non-native speaker... :-) --E4024 (talk) 23:54, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

And some grilled sardines. Actually I did just that for my second comment, and in the preview and straight after saving the edit, it was fine, but only for a while...--MRothwell 00:08, 12 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrothwell (talk • contribs) s

It's the SineBot at work! Perhaps it hasn't yet got used to the signature change from Mrothwell to MRothwell.--MRothwell 00:13, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Couldn't be without sardines in Portugal! (What a coincidence, I ate sardines before pasta at lunch yesterday. :-) Sorry pal, I know more about soup, fish and wine than all those gadgets... --E4024 (talk) 06:14, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Stub gotcha!

Misplaced Pages:Translation says:

If the English article does not yet exist, you can create the article on English Misplaced Pages as a stub article, explaining or defining the subject of the article in a sentence or two; then immediately tag your stub article with a translation template.

but Misplaced Pages:Stub says:

no article should contain both a stub template and an expand template

But isn't a translation template a kind of expand template? That leaves me a bit confused :( --MRothwell 17:59, 12 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrothwell (talk • contribs)

Let me recommend you some experienced users who are always willing to help with those things: Richwales, Dougweller, David1217, ItsZippy, Bobrayner, Benzband, Newyorkbrad, Ryan Vesey and many more... (Every time you need help go to one other, like me, so no one will feel you prefer the other. :-) --E4024 (talk) 18:22, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll bug one of these guys. --MRothwell 23:19, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Turkish Cypriots

User:TremoloKid got the template, since he's a n00b, and since you're a regular, I'll just shoot a friendly "Hi, there! I noticed that you're getting close to WP:3RR, and being experienced (or being right) doesn't save us from getting blocked for edit-warring in an editing dispute. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:33, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 10:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

If you have access to sysop facilities could you see if the last IP that reverted again belongs to the same kid? Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 18:23, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

You know, I don't have checkuser rights, but that is so obviously the same user that I went ahead and blocked him for WP:3RR. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:10, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Selamlar

Son değişikliklerde ismini gördüm de şansa, selam vereyim dedim :) Türkçe Vikide devam etmiyor musun?--Rapsar (talk) 20:28, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Selam. Günlerdir IP çakıșmasını çözecekler diye bekliyorum. Belki de senin dönüsüne ancak yetisir... :-) --E4024 (talk) 20:31, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Çözülmüştü sanki? Diğer kullanıcıyla iletişime geçtin mi? Onun engeli kalkmıştı.--Rapsar (talk) 20:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

RE:Mamma mia

Hallo E4024
thanks for your mail! I know the situation in Georgia: threats (and invasion, as in Ossetia), are just part of russian politics, and a (rough) way to gain influence. :-) someone told that war is the continuation of Politics with other instruments.
About the new gas pipeline, I read an article just yesterday on the NZZ. But this does not mean much. Italy built a giant pipeline wit Algeria 20 years ago, but this did not bring Algeria under the Italian sphere of influence. What I am meaning, one thing is doing business, another thing is exercising power (as does for example France in central Africa), or the USA in Afghanistan. BTW, yesterday I also read that the probable new president of Georgia will be a billionaire emigrated in Russia. :-) About Turkey, I got a lot of info about Turkey from this journal, which is very well done, and is the italian twin of Foreign Affairs. They issued a special number about Turkey ("The Sultan's comeback) end of 2010, but there are often articles about it.

About your visit to Italy, if you need some hints please ask me! I don't want that my fellow Italians poison you...Anyway, remember that we cook pasta al dente. :-) Ciao, Alex2006 (talk) 09:02, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

In my home too; and not only pasta... --E4024 (talk) 09:07, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I will confess you something: since I go to Turkey, I never had fish in Italy :-) I eat all the rest, but Balık only in Turkey, better if cooked directly by our Balıkci, on wood coal (I hate boiled fish). Alex2006 (talk) 11:53, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

P.S. If you want to know where to eat Zampone, :-) you must activate "Email this user" under Toolbox. Alex2006 (talk) 14:16, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I doubt I would ever eat that but I made the e-mail preference change... --E4024 (talk) 14:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

August 2012

Please do not attack other editors, as you did to User talk:ItsZippy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Theopolisme _{:) 11:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)}

Your recent editing history at Talk:Angelokastro shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

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