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Evidence presented by Leyasu

Gothic Music and Nu Metal (Banned By Admin Sceptre)

This was a problem i had with Deathrocker who was openly vandalisng musical articles including blanking, reverting any edit made to articles, POV pushing, ignoring WP:NPOV, personal attacks in edit summaries, and possible internet trolling.

Below is a revert war i had been involved in with this user, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , .

I stopped during this point to make comment twice on the articles talk page to the user, asking for co-operation and discussion of changes in line with Misplaced Pages policys, and also provided the NPOV tutorial and explained deliberatly blanking pages is vandalism, , .

I went on to make several minor edits to the article over an hour to make it less biased to any view, the cumulation of those efforts being here . Immediatly the user went back to vandalisng the page starting another revert war, using the edit summaries for personal attacks, , , , , , , , , .

The user then went on to try to delete the article by claiming a merger when there was no dispute on this, which i reverted due to it being vandalism , . This was a bad veiling though as the user never merged the articles, and instead redirected Goth Music to Goth Rock instead .

This user did not stop at the Gothic Music article though, he also went on to incite a revert war on the Nu Metal article, removing sourced information that User:WesleyDodds, a respectable and highly experienced user involved with the article reverted. , , , . This user then went on to vandalise the page using blanking and internet trolling methods, ignoring NPOV, and i quote in this paticulat edit summary saying You are a prick to myself , the edit war is on these diffs, , , , , , , , , , , , .

Deathrocker ignored all offers to work peacefully and was instistant on blanking articles that dont agree solely with his POV, and then Deleting them through a paper trail of redirects when admins pointed out he cannot force his POV on them.

Second Ban By Sceptre

Gothic Metal

The anon reverted the revert on the article which Deathrocker performed after he was unbanned after 12 hours .

Deathrocker reverted it, claiming the newbie as a sock puppet, yet offered no proof .

The anon reverted this noting that Deathrocker was biting noobs .

Deathrocker also persisted in a revert war on Gothic Metal, violating 3RR here as well , the reason for removing it being 'lack of sources', even though the information is cited several times in the article.

These reverts and removel of citations continue, despite his 3RR ban, on the note of Deathrocker 'disliking' gothic metal,, , .

Heavy Metal Music

Deathrocker decided to vandalise the Heavy metal music article, which has been a featured article, declaring that 'his POV is the true POV and all others are disallowed' , .

This was noted by WesleyDodds, a English Major and user who works with me, Spearhead, and the Wikiproject Metal, to improve metal articles, with Deathrocker deciding to start a revert war with anon's and the Wikiproject Metal users, , , , , , , . Despite all the reverting, the user Loudenvier said that Deathrocker was POV pushing and starting a revert war on a featured article, . Another user noted that Deathrocker was violting WP:NPOV, as well, . Deathrockers basic response to this was to say that everyone else is wrong, he is the only person who is right, and that Misplaced Pages's three core policys (WP:CITE, WP:NPOV, WP:NOR) dont apply to him, .

Admittance To Baiting Into Violating 1RR

Here Deathrocker admits to pushing myself to violate my parole so he can have me banned from Misplaced Pages, .

Userpage Vandalism

Deathrocker also attemped to vandalise comments on Admin Sceptre's talk page, , due to Sceptre having previously banned Deathrocker for his serial violations of policy across articles.

Deathrocker also vandalised my user page (Leyasu), .. Admin Sceptre reverted this himself, pointing out to Deathrocker that he cannot attack as being a 'sock puppeter' simply because Deathrocker cannot force his POV onto all articles, .

After Sceptre had removed it, Deathrocker readded it, claiming everyone was 'vandalising', .

Threatening Admins

After being blocked by admin Sceptre for a period of four days, the user Deathrocker chose to request an Unblock .

This was answered nicely by Rory096 telling Deathrocker he wasnt able to get an unblock without a reason, .

Deathrocker responced by Wikilawyering on the 3 Revert Rule policy of Misplaced Pages, and accusing admin Sceptre of abusing his administrator powers for blocking him .

Admin Tawker then told Deathrocker that this was another 3RR block in a short period of time, and that he was welcome to edit constructly when the block expired . Rory also seconded this, pointing out it was Deathrockers seventh ban for 3RR in a month and the extended block was justified .

Deathrocker responded again by trying to Wikilwayer phttp://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Deathrocker&diff=next&oldid=44288932].

Admin Tawker politly told Deathrocker it was at the discrection of the Admin, and to just wait the 4 days to be unblocked, and removing the unblock tag.

Deathrocker refuted this, Wikilarywering and accusing Rory and Tawker of abusing their administrator powers, readding the unblock tag, .

Tawker again removed the unblock, telling Deathrocker that after Wikilawyering and accusing the admins of abusing their powers, he wasnt going to get an unblock, .

Deathrocker then readded the the tag, telling Tawker he wasnt allowed to remove it 'without his permission', and accusing admin Sceptre of abusing his powers again, .

Tawker then went on to tell Deathrocker that making personal attacks at the Admins wasnt going to get him an unblock either, .

At this point Admin Essjay answered the unblock, telling Deathrocker that it has been noted by many admins that he has tried to Wikilawyer his unblock, tried to personally attack and threaten admins into unblocking him, and has engaged in multiple attempts at disrupting Misplaced Pages. Admin Essjay also noted that if this behaviour continued, that he would extended the block by a week, while the ANI considered a permenant block, .

Deathrocker didnt learn from this and continued Wikilawyering and making personal attacks, now directing this behaviour at admin Essjay, .

Deathrocker then erased all the notices, openly violating policy on not removing admin warnings from user pages on his claim that 'policies dont affect me', .

Admin Freakofnature then reverted the removel per policy, .

Deathrocker then reverted admin Freakofnature, claiming vandalism and abuse of administrator powers by admin Freak, .

The admin reverted this again, .

Deathrocker then reverted again, claiming he is allowed to 3RR on his talk page, and that Freak was abusing admin powers,.

Freak didnt respond and just reverted again, .

Deahtrocker then reverted again, removing the information to try for another Unblock attempt, .

Sceptre reverted this, , which Deathrocker reverted again, .

Freak reverted, , Deathrocker pursued a revert war while claiming he should be unbanned from his serial 3RR ban, .

This revert war between Deathrocker and various admins as such continued, with Deathrocker repeatedly claiming abuse of administrator powers and ownership of the talk page, , , , , , .

Harrasment And Impersonation

User Deathrocker posted an abusive comment on the Gothic Metal talk page directed at myself claiming, Now that you are back and no longer sneak reverting under anons .

Deathrocker also spent time setting up a complaint about me on the ANI board, making personal attacks including its time to pull the plug . When i posted a response, , Deathrocker proceeded to make personal attacks at me , including Nice try but as usual your lying, more typical BS from you and what any of your garbage lies has to do with this incident, is beyond me.

Admin Sceptre, a wholey respected Admin, responded to Deathrocker , warning him to stop being incivil.

After this Deathrocker went and then tried the same thing the AE board, .

Personal Attacks And Wikilawyering On ArbCom

Deathrocker has user his comment space the ArbCom case to make personal attacks against both myself and Admin Scepte , including He then tried to flog a dead horse, and Sceptre doesnt use any logic when putting things like this up.

User Deathrocker also recently attempted to Wikilawyer on the arbirrition talk page into having the case against him annuled, also making a snide and incivil comment about sceptre "Sceptre's current triad", . Deathrocker also makes claim i am using sockpuppets, even though a Check user showed that i wasnt, and the fact Deathrocker is under suspicion for using anons to impersonate me. Ley Shade 21:16, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Deathrocker went on to make more personal attacks including "it is a ridiculous claim on your part, and one that is of course false" .

After apologising to Deathrocker for coming across uncivil , and asking him not to make personal attacks , Deathrocker carried on claiming that my ArbCon statement is a personal attack and "instead of trying to pull me up, on your "interpretations", and "this is the BS I get for my efforts to help", "Again your favourite hobby taking my words out of context" and "it isn't my responsibility if you have an inability to stick to the terms of paroles" .

I notified the involved admins of these personal attacks and asked for help and advice, as i felt that Deathrocker was probally making the attacks to bait me into responding in a distastefull manner back , , . Tony responded and noted that Deathrocker was attempting to bait me into violating my parole, and that i was to avoid responding . Since then i have moved Deathrocker's comments from my statement to his own and discountined connection with the user, apart from contributing to my Statement has incidents involving Deathrocker and Myself happen Ley Shade

Deathrocker has also been incivil to myself and Sceptre on the Abirrition talk page where he makes comments such as, "you and you're buddy are confused", and attempts to further disrupt the Arbirrition case through Wikilawyering claiming that because Sceptre did not follow the exact policy the case is void and against policy "Thus making the current case a violation of Misplaced Pages policies".

After removing Deathrockers comments from my Statement to his own, Deathrocker replaced them as an attempt to bait me into violating my parole as noted already by Tony.

Deathrocker then proceeded to make more Personal Attacks on my Statement, defacing it .

After this Sceptre warned Deatrocker for being uncivil , however Deathrocker does not appear to care, continuing defacing my Statement and making Personal Attacks, .

After this Deathrocker then proceeded to again make more personal attacks, .

Deathrocker has made continious personal attacks using the RFA board, as shown in this edit .

List Of Personal Attacks

• "This whole episode with you is becoming very childish. (Deathrocker made this comment even though myself and three admins have put in statements against Deathrocker).

• "'you don't see how that is utterly ridiculous?? ". (Deathrocker has made claim about the arbirittion case being null several times, this one denoting the case as ridiculous)

• "Just to clarify for anybody still keeping up with this sham of a case, that is still in violation of Misplaced Pages policies". (Here Deathrocker openly branches his personal attacks out to include the arbirrition committe)

• "As already stated the bulk of what Leyasu was trying to "attack" me". (Here Deathrocker explicitly states that my Statement is a Personal Attack in violation of my Parole)

• "A "grasp at straws" attempt to get something against me". (Deathrocker here claims my statement is a 'Grasp At Straws' to find things to blame him for, even though all diffs have been provided)

• "the BS comment was in relation to all o this that has happened from me trying to HELP Misplaced Pages". (Here Deathrocker claims that my Statement is 'Bullshit' and that by making personal attacks at me and trying to have me banned he is 'helping' Misplaced Pages)

• "An apology which after the latest onslaught by Leyasu". (Here Deathrocker claims by statement is an Onslaught, possibly another selective choice of words to infer a personal attack)

• "I suggest whoever is looking at the case actually read the full conversation". (Here Deathrocker openly attacks the Abrittion Committe again, infering that there is a cabal against him)

• "Regarding Leyasu's false claim that I was once "up for permanent ban". (Deathrocker again claims this isnt true even though both myself and Sceptre have provided diffs for this in our statements)

• "Most of this is irrelevent to the case, and seems to be an attempt at a few cheap stabs". (Here Deathrocker claims that my statement is 'irrelevant' and is nothing but 'a few cheap stabs')

• "Grow up, stop trying to cause trouble". (Here Deathrocker explicitly states i am a child and my statement is an 'attempt' to cause trouble)

• "Lie #6: This an admittance by Leyasu that he was indeed the sockpuppet that I reported". (Here Deathrocker claims i am a liar, and that i am a sockpuppet even though he has refused to do a RFCU)

• "Leyasu attempted to Vandalise this article, removing information I had wrote in an attempt to cover up the refutal of his lies". (This is because i removed his comments from my statement based on Tonys advice as an admin. Deahtrocker chose then to deface my statement leading to his warning by Sceptre)

• "Leyasu then childishly (yes childishly, right a novel about it, I don't care, you're acting like a child)". (Here Deathrocker explicity makes a personal attack calling me a child, and then makes further uncivil remarks despite being warner by Sceptre).

• "The word "truth" is an entirely foreign concept to Leyasu". (Deathrocker deliberatly makes the personal attack that i do not know the meaning of the word Truth)

• "Until Leyasu starts acting civily and stops Personally attacking me, they are in violation of their parole'". (Here Deathrocker explicitly claims that by making a statement i am violating my parole)

• "Although this case is ridiculous and indeed against wikipedia policy". (Deathrocker attacking the arbirrition case and Wikilawyering again)

• "Leyasu is just attepting to maliciously cause trouble with things like this now". (Deathrocker again claiming my statement is a personal attack)

• "Grow up, stop trying to cause trouble". (Deathrocker telling me to 'grow up' and remove my statement from the Abirittion Case)

• "its been made pretty obvious Leyasu's intentions (to stir trouble, the assumption of bad faith)" (Deathrocker again calling my statement a personal attack, despite having been warned by Sceptre for uncivlity and personal attacks)

• "Perhaps if Sceptre had done his job correctly and went through the correct paths" (Deathrocker here attacks Sceptre for being an admin and filing the RFA)

• "Leyasu attempted to Vandalise this article, (blanking is indeed vandalism) removing information I had wrote without my permission". (Deahtrocker here claims it is ok for him to deface others statements and that Admins and other users have to have 'his permission' to edit the board)

• "I'm tired of having to reveal the truth, fending off each attack agaisnt myself by the user, it is getting very boring". (Here Deathrocker claims that im 'a liar' and claims again my statement is a personal attack)

• "As recent as today; Leyasu bit a noob". , who has used several sock puppets to violate WP:33R and vandalise my talk page. The user was also warned by two admins and other members of the WP:HMM project and has had the policys clearly stated to them. The user is also going through an RFCU to check if this account is Deathrocker, due to Deathrocker's use of sockpuppets to bait me before)

• "The anon doesn't vandalise at all as you can see, though a personal attack was made against them by Leyasu, who labeled them as a vandal". (After being shown a sockpuppet of User:Mike5193 who has had two admin warnings, had several sock puppets blocked, and has vandalised my user page and the user pages of other users in WP:HMM, this was vandalism)

• "The user is allowed to get away with such violations and uses the fact that they are on ArbCom parole as an excuse" (I have not done anything to get away with, considering the user is a known sockpuppet of a known vandal)

• "'How such violations are allowed to happen, after the user has violated there parole 5 times is a mystery". (Deathrocker here again demands my statement is annulled on the basis i am on Parole. This has been a recurring theme with Deahtrockers threats to have me banned one way or another)

Evidence presented by Sceptre

Deathrocker assumes bad faith on my part for requesting arbitration

Deathrocker tells me I am violating WP:DR by requesting arbitration , saying I did not try mediation. In fact, the RfAR template says:

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried (If not, then explain why that would be fruitless)

— Misplaced Pages:Requests for Arbitration

I indeed thought mediation to be fruitless as Mediation is more article-slanted than user conduct slanted. Will (_@) T 09:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Evidence presented by Deathrocker

Sceptre unable to follow Misplaced Pages policies

Past

Sceptre has in the past shown an inability to follow Misplaced Pages policies. He has previously admitted to being bias against me . And has shown it in his administrative actions;

I violated the 3RR, Sceptre went on to violate the official Misplaced Pages policies stated clearly in WP:3RR by blocking me for four days .. three days longer than the maximum ban allowed to be imposed for such an offence. As this was a clear abuse of powers, I contested the block on my user page and was blocked by another minor; Sean Black (who Sceptre describes as a "friend" on his user page) , for a further month...

While this block was inplace, Sceptre took it upon himself to violate the official Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution policies, by bringing up an Arbitration case against me, regarding the 3RR violation, without attempting any discussion methods, meditation, or anything of the like, which is needed before bringing up an Arb case; this case was thrown out by the Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee and rejected. . Sceptre was told by one member of the committee to leave it, and let me serve out my ban time.

Though Sceptre did not leave it at that, he continued to harass me during my ban, by requesting that I make a comment via email (the request for comment) .. as the case had already been rejected, and I was serving my ban, I saw no need to comment and replied telling him that I was "done with the dispute", he said "alright" to this in an email reply.. it was resolved; Leyasu also saw no need to comment on the RfC either.

Current

While Leyasu was serving a ban, an IP similar to ones he had been found guilty (by Jayjg) at Misplaced Pages:Requests for CheckUser of using , began reverting articles that Leyasu had been in disputes on, to last version by Leyasu before he was banned

I reported this on the Incidents board... where Sceptre took it upon himself to violate Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution once again, I had an Arbitration case brought against myself, for reporting with reasonable evidence what was probably a sockpuppet.

Sceptre didn't bother to message me to tell me why he thought me reporting this asking for assistance was a problem, he also did not attempt RfC on this incident or meditation (something required as stated in Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution before coming to ArbCom)... he abused his administrative powers to bring a violative case against somebody for the second time, who in the past he admits to been bias against.

This shows that A) This case is in violation of Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution something which I made very clear TWICE, while the Arbitration case was running

B) Sceptre has proven either a lack of knowledge regarding Misplaced Pages policies or a willingness to violate them to suit his own admitted "bias".

Counter evidence to claims by Leyasu

To quote an uninvolved party; PurplePlatypus, "I suggest actually checking the links Ley Shade provides. Most of them do not show what he claims they show."

Part 1

The claims presented by Leyasu, from 1.1 to 1.3, have nothing to do with the current case which was put fourth by Sceptre regarding me reporting suspected socks. It is actually two month old claims, which were used by Leyasu on a subpage in an Arbitration case against me, which was rejected around two months ago.

This case was rejected as the evidence Leyasu claimed, was proved to be false, , my evidence with suitable diffs that proved the accusations wrong, can still can be read at; Bringing Down The Shrine.

Part II

The second part provided by Leyasu is not so much any form of "Evidence", as a one sided commentary of a dispute which occurred during the Arbitration case hearing... the full version of this (including both sides) has already been moved by Tony Sidaway to the talkpage

You can see my replies to that there already;

This tackles nothing in regards to the reason I was brought to Arbitration by the self-confessed “bias” admin Sceptre; as stated by Sceptre, it was in regards to reporting a suspected sock puppet

Incase it wasn’t clear enough the first 1,000 times I said it; the case is a clear violation of Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution, the administrator did not attempt any other means of dispute resolution in regards to this case, which is stated must happen first; no meditation, no request for comment, Sceptre didn’t even bother to tell me why he thought me reporting a suspected sock was a problem, he just took it straight to Arbitration.

A Truce was offered to Leyasu

Since the Arbitration case, I have took resolving any problems between Leyasu and myself into my own hands... I offered Leyasu a truce on May 6th. In an attempt to stop any uncivilties between us, and suggested we attempt to avoid each other but if working on the same article; to do so in a civil manner. As arguing gets neither of us anywhere.

To date; since offering the truce, I have had no problems with this user since. The truce seems to be working positively. - Deathrocker 22:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)