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Member's Health and Safety

Section name “Members’ Health and Safety” is misleading and false. This is a case of one Scientologist among many, and should not be taken as a determinant of the welfare of the rest of the congregation. I propose that this section be moved and transfered reference to controversies, or have section removed altogether as it does not belong to the article. Or, mention Lisa McPherson in controversies while hot linking to article. Thoughts?NestleNW911 (talk) 00:41, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Any takers on this? This is a pivotal part of the article and should be positioned properly. As it is, it is very misleading does not follow Misplaced Pages's NPOV policy. This event should be situated under the proper heading so as not to give the false impression that this embodies the health and safety of all members of the Church of Scientology.NestleNW911 (talk) 21:24, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't agree that it's misleading. Death might not the usual outcome, but it illustrates risks that go with participation in some key activities of the Church of Scientology -- so I think it's fine as it is. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 16:22, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Surprised to see you here. I agree with you and the section is important. Although it should have a better intro similar to what you wrote. Something like, "Some key activities of the Church of Scientology carry risks for members, especially members with mental illness" or "The Church of Scientology's rejection of psychiatry means that some key activities carry risks for members". What do you think? Andrew (talk) 20:17, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I just made some changes to the paragraph, let me know what you think. Andrew (talk) 18:47, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Scientology in Israel

I have reverted the edit by "Unindicted Co-conspirator" that removes the information about Scientology Organizations in Israel. This information is well-sourced and enriches the information in this section and therefore belongs there. The editor did not give sufficient explanation to make this deletion - it seems to be arbitrary and whimsical. This removal also works against NPOV - the remaining information only represents one side of the story of Scientology in Israel. The reinstated information offers a more wholistic picture.NestleNW911 (talk) 18:25, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Missionary Activities

Added more information to this section.NestleNW911 (talk) 22:51, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

You didn't "add information" -- you copied information from the source. I have reverted this per WP:COPYVIO. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 00:05, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello Nomoskedasticity, apologies for this. I was under the impression that one could include information directly from the source as long as there is a Misplaced Pages citation. I have rewritten the text, please review and comment on whether it is okay to add.

According to Jacob Neusner, under the guidance of L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology developed programs that aimed to address important social issues in the early 1970’s. These programs focused attention on providing drug education and fighting illiteracy, criminal behavior and learning disabilities. The programs, which operate under the banner of Association for Better Living and Education (ABLE), have expanded and proven effective. The specific organizations that operate in a similar way are Narconon, Criminon and Applied Scholastics.

Thanks.NestleNW911 (talk) 20:10, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

The passage is not copied, at least. But I'm not sure this is an NPOV presentation of these programs. Our article on Narconon makes for some interesting reading, and I think we'd need a presentation here that is more consistent with what is in that article. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:01, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Nomo, how is this information not NPOV? It is objective, encyclopedic information and I fail to see why you would see it otherwise. The language is not promotional in any way.NestleNW911 (talk) 19:21, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Please do have a look at Narconon to see how that article portrays the range of sources available on this program. Again, our article would need to be consistent with the presentation there, and using only Neusner would not accomplish that. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:23, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Controversy section

I have added a clarifying piece of information to the "Controversy" section sourced from Jacob Neusner. I have paraphrased his ideas and quoted him when necessary, while attributing the writing explicitly in the text. Thank you for the early correction.NestleNW911 (talk) 19:20, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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