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Cla68

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Cla68

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Mathsci (talk) 02:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Cla68 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBR&I: Cla68 (talk · contribs) is indefinitely prohibited from commenting on, or interacting with, Mathsci (talk · contribs), broadly construed, anywhere on Misplaced Pages, per AE thread.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Cla68's claims: Mathsci is involved in an obsessive ongoing three-year feud with Captain Occam, despite CO being site-banned from WP for the last 12 months; radical changes in Mathsci's recent editing patterns, despite knowing that they are a direct consequence of recent open heart surgery
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Barely six weeks ago, Cla68 was banned from making comments about me of any kind, anywhere on wikipedia. The original restriction was in relation to matters arising from WP:ARBR&I. Since that ban, he has nevertheless continued to do so on arbcom pages in a previous failed attempt to open an arbcom case "Race and intelligence 2". Now, in a request for amendment unrelated to him, he has written an unprovoked personal attack on me, directly related to WP:ARBR&I. In the diffs above Cla68 writes: "If you want to continue to facilitate the ongoing feud between an obsessive, established Misplaced Pages editor and an obsessive, established banned editor in their years-long personal feud with each other, while allowing thin-skinned admins to squish us peon content editors who try to say something about it, be my guest." Cla68 might think that by not mentioning my name explicitly he can exploit a loophole in his interaction ban allowing him to make any kind of vicious personal attack on me that he wishes. Without producing diffs or evidence, Cla68 has made a claim unsupported by any evidence (such as diffs) that there is an ongoing feud with an unnamed banned editor. If he is referring to Captain Occam, Ferahgo the Assassin or TrevelyanL85A2 or the recently blocked account Zeromus1 (a sockpuppet of Captain Occam / Ferahgo the Assassin), there is no evidence of any "feud" in the findings of arbitrators either in WP:ARBR&I, the subsequent review or any later statements by arbitrators. Suggesting that there is just compounds the problems already present in Cla68's unprovoked statement, which is written in the hyperbolic over-dramatic language of a flame war. Cla68 is quite aware that he is prohibited from making statements about me of any kind. What he has written is a gross and deliberate violation of his AE ban. Since this is by no means the first time he has done so since that ban was imposed, the violation should now result in some form of editing restriction (a block of at least one week). The response of Cla68 below shows that he has no understanding of his interaction ban. It confirms that he is determined to ignore the AE restrictions and cause whatever disruption he pleases. At no stage has Cla68 appealed against his AE restrictions: that appeal should normally have been lodged here. Contrary to Cla68's hyperbolic statements, this is the second request to enforce the AE restrictions. The first occurred on 23 October, one day after the restrictions were imposed. The first request for enforcement was a direct consequence of Cla68's failed attempt to initiate an arbcom case, "Race and intelligence 2". That request was essentially a list of complaints or grudges that Cla68 had assembled concerning me. It was rejected by the arbitration committee. It is probably worth administrators reading the comments made here during that enforcement request, since it contradicts Cla68's own description. Cla68 has now repeated more explicitly the unsupported claim that I have been fighting or feuding with somebody on wikipedia for three years. Presumably he means Captain Occam. If not, whom does he mean? That user was AE-banned by Risker in December 2011 and was subsequently site-banned by arbcom, so which on-wiki interaction or feud is he referring to that can be ascribed to 2012 and for which months (January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December—Cla68 can take his pick)? I have no idea why Cla68 has decided out of the blue repeatedly to make these unsupported statements about me. He is blatantly violating his AE restrictions. @Timotheus Canens: during each month of 2012 some form of arbcom activity has been kept going that can be traced back to the site-banned user Captain Occam and his cronies. The same is true now. All I can do is respond to the comments made about me. If Cla68 describes me as an "obsessive, established Misplaced Pages editor" engaged in a "three years-long personal feud", I prefer to raise my objections to his personal attacks here. Disruption has been caused by a number of unsuccessful requests for new cases or amendments, and the current request is very little different from recent ones. By contrast the amendment I requested soon after the review was passed fairly quickly. Given the findings of the review, the current murky request for amendment has almost certainly been orchestrated off-wiki by site-banned users. That persistence is what is wearisome. Because of post-operation trauma which has truned my life upside-down, I cannot concentrate sufficiently to add content to wikipedia as I did prior to October. I would still hope, however, to be protected from unjustified and unprompted personal attacks. I expect attacks like that on wikipediocracy, where Cla68 has free rein as one of the founding members, but not here. @ Cla68. Why is Cla68 now trying to take advantage of my ill health? Yes, there was a noticeable change in my editing in September. To refresh Cla68's memory, I had a myocardial infarction, the first of three, on September 29; reported to A&E on 2 October; was given a triple bypass operation on 8 October; and have been gradually recuperating away from my home in France for the following weeks. Yes, post-operation trauma, physical and mental, lasts for at least six months. That affects my ability to write content and in fact my functioning in daily life. But why seek to profit from misfortune of this kind? I would not wish other people to have that kind of experience themselves. I would, however, hope that they would not make comments of this kind when they knew that something as serious as that had happened. I find that depressing and hope that Cla68 can refactor what he has written. @Seraphimbade: Cla68's editing restriction resulted from the motion about reverting/restoring/facilitating edits of the community banned user, Echigo mole. It had nothing to do with the content of the two diffs above which, because of the reference to "three years", can only refer to Captain Occam. I do not understand how I can be involved in a feud with a user who has been banned from editing on wikipedia since December 2011. What has happened to change that, apart from Cla68 making a false claim and deliberately misrepresenting me (as he has deliberately misrepresented the after effects of my heart operation)? Where is the on-wiki evidence of this "feud", beyond Cla68's unsupported assertion? It seems to be something he has invented out of thin air, as his version of Cla68's "truth". But how can anybody be in a feud with a user, banned from wikipedia for almost one year? If Cla68 wants to appeal his AE ban, he should do so on this page. Arbitrators rejected the last attempt to adjust AE sanctions through the arbitration committee. If Cla68 wants to change the rules about sockpuppetry or proxy-editing to give banned users new privileges, the village pump is probably a good place to start.

Cla68's claims: Mathsci is involved in an obsessive ongoing three-year feud with Captain Occam, despite CO being site-banned from WP for the last 12 months; radical changes in Mathsci's recent editing patterns, despite knowing that they are a direct consequence of recent open heart surgery

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Barely six weeks ago, Cla68 was banned from making comments about me of any kind, anywhere on wikipedia. The original restriction was in relation to matters arising from WP:ARBR&I. Since that ban, he has nevertheless continued to do so on arbcom pages in a previous failed attempt to open an arbcom case "Race and intelligence 2". Now, in a request for amendment unrelated to him, he has written an unprovoked personal attack on me, directly related to WP:ARBR&I. In the diffs above Cla68 writes: "If you want to continue to facilitate the ongoing feud between an obsessive, established Misplaced Pages editor and an obsessive, established banned editor in their years-long personal feud with each other, while allowing thin-skinned admins to squish us peon content editors who try to say something about it, be my guest." Cla68 might think that by not mentioning my name explicitly he can exploit a loophole in his interaction ban allowing him to make any kind of vicious personal attack on me that he wishes. Without producing diffs or evidence, Cla68 has made a claim unsupported by any evidence (such as diffs) that there is an ongoing feud with an unnamed banned editor. If he is referring to Captain Occam, Ferahgo the Assassin or TrevelyanL85A2 or the recently blocked account Zeromus1 (a sockpuppet of Captain Occam / Ferahgo the Assassin), there is no evidence of any "feud" in the findings of arbitrators either in WP:ARBR&I, the subsequent review or any later statements by arbitrators. Suggesting that there is just compounds the problems already present in Cla68's unprovoked statement, which is written in the hyperbolic over-dramatic language of a flame war. Cla68 is quite aware that he is prohibited from making statements about me of any kind. What he has written is a gross and deliberate violation of his AE ban. Since this is by no means the first time he has done so since that ban was imposed, the violation should now result in some form of editing restriction (a block of at least one week).

The response of Cla68 below shows that he has no understanding of his interaction ban. It confirms that he is determined to ignore the AE restrictions and cause whatever disruption he pleases. At no stage has Cla68 appealed against his AE restrictions: that appeal should normally have been lodged here. Contrary to Cla68's hyperbolic statements, this is the second request to enforce the AE restrictions. The first occurred on 23 October, one day after the restrictions were imposed. The first request for enforcement was a direct consequence of Cla68's failed attempt to initiate an arbcom case, "Race and intelligence 2". That request was essentially a list of complaints or grudges that Cla68 had assembled concerning me. It was rejected by the arbitration committee. It is probably worth administrators reading the comments made here during that enforcement request, since it contradicts Cla68's own description.

Cla68 has now repeated more explicitly the unsupported claim that I have been fighting or feuding with somebody on wikipedia for three years. Presumably he means Captain Occam. If not, whom does he mean? That user was AE-banned by Risker in December 2011 and was subsequently site-banned by arbcom, so which on-wiki interaction or feud is he referring to that can be ascribed to 2012 and for which months (January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December—Cla68 can take his pick)? I have no idea why Cla68 has decided out of the blue repeatedly to make these unsupported statements about me. He is blatantly violating his AE restrictions.

@Timotheus Canens: during each month of 2012 some form of arbcom activity has been kept going that can be traced back to the site-banned user Captain Occam and his cronies. The same is true now. All I can do is respond to the comments made about me. If Cla68 describes me as an "obsessive, established Misplaced Pages editor" engaged in a "three years-long personal feud", I prefer to raise my objections to his personal attacks here. Disruption has been caused by a number of unsuccessful requests for new cases or amendments, and the current request is very little different from recent ones. By contrast the amendment I requested soon after the review was passed fairly quickly. Given the findings of the review, the current murky request for amendment has almost certainly been orchestrated off-wiki by site-banned users. That persistence is what is wearisome. Because of post-operation trauma which has truned my life upside-down, I cannot concentrate sufficiently to add content to wikipedia as I did prior to October. I would still hope, however, to be protected from unjustified and unprompted personal attacks. I expect attacks like that on wikipediocracy, where Cla68 has free rein as one of the founding members, but not here.

@ Cla68. Why is Cla68 now trying to take advantage of my ill health? Yes, there was a noticeable change in my editing in September. To refresh Cla68's memory, I had a myocardial infarction, the first of three, on September 29; reported to A&E on 2 October; was given a triple bypass operation on 8 October; and have been gradually recuperating away from my home in France for the following weeks. Yes, post-operation trauma, physical and mental, lasts for at least six months. That affects my ability to write content and in fact my functioning in daily life. But why seek to profit from misfortune of this kind? I would not wish other people to have that kind of experience themselves. I would, however, hope that they would not make comments of this kind when they knew that something as serious as that had happened. I find that depressing and hope that Cla68 can refactor what he has written.

@Seraphimbade: Cla68's editing restriction resulted from the motion about reverting/restoring/facilitating edits of the community banned user, Echigo mole. It had nothing to do with the content of the two diffs above which, because of the reference to "three years", can only refer to Captain Occam. I do not understand how I can be involved in a feud with a user who has been banned from editing on wikipedia since December 2011. What has happened to change that, apart from Cla68 making a false claim and deliberately misrepresenting me (as he has deliberately misrepresented the after effects of my heart operation)? Where is the on-wiki evidence of this "feud", beyond Cla68's unsupported assertion? It seems to be something he has invented out of thin air, as his version of Cla68's "truth". But how can anybody be in a feud with a user, banned from wikipedia for almost one year? If Cla68 wants to appeal his AE ban, he should do so on this page. Arbitrators rejected the last attempt to adjust AE sanctions through the arbitration committee. If Cla68 wants to change the rules about sockpuppetry or proxy-editing to give banned users new privileges, the village pump is probably a good place to start.

If "prohibited from commenting on Mathsci ... anywhere on wikipedia" does not apply to arbcom-related space, then please modify the wording of the original restriction. That would certainly make it easier to ignore this and any future personal attacks in arbcom-related space. Because of past experience, "arbcom-related space" should include the user talk pages of arbitrators, but not of other administrators.

Discussion concerning Cla68

Statement by Cla68

Admins, could you please do something about this? I think this is the third or fourth enforcement action Mathsci has filed against me. Do you need the links? Admins User:Timotheus Canens and User:Future Perfect at Sunrise, I'm especially interested in what you have to say. You helped make this mess. Cla68 (talk) 03:12, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

My comment was referring to Mathsci and to whoever this banned editor is that he has been fighting all over Misplaced Pages for the last three years. They are both clearly obsessed with their pursuit of each other, so much so that Mathsci was, by his own admission, dueling with this guy from a hospital bed. As far as I'm aware, I'm allowed to comment on the subject in related dispute resolution forums such as here, ArbCom admendments, and ArbCom case requests, etc. If I'm not, then that's news to me. Cla68 (talk) 03:47, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Admins, if you look at Mathsci's contribution history over the last few months, you will see that 90%~ are dedicated to sock puppet investigations, blocking IPs, and filing AE requests or AN notices against editors or admins who comment negatively on his behavior in pursuit of this (admittedly real) boogeyman. In my opinion, your actions in the past have facilitated or encouraged Mathsci's behavior. Could you please do something to stop it, at least as far as it is affecting other editors? Cla68 (talk) 04:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Future Perfect, you're an admin and this is your interpretation of the rules? Good grief. To say that I'm not allowed to comment on the complaining editor in the AE thread he opens against me is one of the craziest things I think I've seen one of Misplaced Pages's administrators utter, and I've seen a lot of foolishness in my six years of participation in this shite shindig. I notice that one of the admins below has said that Mathsci is now "trying his patience." Imagine how it must feel for the rest of us who have gotten in the way of the Mathsci steamroller, including Nyttend and Collect, as well as myself. Notice, Future Perfect, that you were the one who "warned" Collect because he objected to Mathsci's obsessive behavior. You helped create this monster, Future Perfect, and to try defend your bad decision-making you threaten to block me? Future Perfect, compare mine and Mathsci's editing contributions for the past month. Just do it, then explain which editor is doing what they're supposed to be doing, and which editor you should be helping instead of threatening. Again, good grief. You have made some really bad decisions on this issue. Will you insist on making more? Cla68 (talk) 07:19, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Cla68

As an administrator who doesn't frequent AE I'm commenting here. It would have been better if Mathsci hadn't filed this request. It would also have been better if Cla68 hadn't responded to this request.

Cla68 is of course entitled to comment on Arb motions that name him as an affected party, but that doesn't mean he has carte blanche to make snarky comments against Mathsci, especially ones that refer to medical conditions. As far as I can see, Mathsci's editing affects Cla68 only insofar as Cla68 chooses to make it an issue. If Cla68 would decide to ignore Mathsci's posts to Arbspace, and ignore Mathsci's removal of sock posts, would there be an issue? Similarly, if Mathsci would decide to ignore Cla68's posts to Arbspace, annoying as they may be, would there be a problem? --Akhilleus (talk) 05:55, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Result concerning Cla68

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

Cla68, for clarity, are you denying that the comment in question was in regards to MathSci? If so, an explanation of what its intent was would be very helpful. Seraphimblade 03:43, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'm in general agreement with T. Canens, after reviewing the surrounding context. It would be extremely rare to prohibit someone from appealing sanctions against them (in fact, I know of no such case where that has ever been done), and comments in the context of an appeal in the proper venue (which ArbCom is one of, for an AE sanction) is broadly and generally considered an exception to a topic or interaction ban, since disallowing the sanctioned editor from discussing the matter in the appeal would essentially prohibit them from appealing at all. What are they going to say? "I'm appealing something I can't name, on grounds I can't discuss"? This is essentially a frivolous request given that, and I would support the restrictions proposed on future enforcement requests. Seraphimblade 04:30, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
I can't speak for Fut. Perf., but my patience is wearing thin. The amendment request at issue does request that Cla68's interaction ban be lifted. Cla68 is therefore allowed to comment in that thread unimpeded by the interaction ban. (I voice no opinion about the accuracy of Cla68's characterization of the overall situation, as that is irrelevant to the question whether the interaction ban applies.) Moreover, AE generally does not interfere in arbcom's own pages.
I think Mathsci's enforcement requests are doing more harm than good, and I propose that we direct him
1. to seek enforcement of the interaction bans at issue arising out of edits on any page whose title begins with Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests only from arbcom clerks or arbcom itself, and not from any other venue, including AE; and,
2. to not seek enforcement of the interaction bans at issue arising out of edits on any other page by means of an on-wiki posting, unless he has obtained permission for such posting from any uninvolved administrator by email. T. Canens (talk) 04:06, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
I have to say I disagree with my colleagues above, and I stand by the principles I have expressed elsewhere on similar matters: we must stop people from abusing Arbcom pages to circumvent their restrictions. If the community imposes interaction bans, it means: "person X is not allowed to pursue conflicts with person Y", anywhere, in any form. It does not mean: "person X is invited to escalate their conflict with Y to Arbcom". Of course Cla68 is free to comment on the idea of lifting his restriction. But he could have done so without using it as an opportunity for taking yet more cheap and unprovoked potshots against Mathsci. So, no, even when answering on an Arbcom page, he is not "free to comment in that thread unimpeded by the interaction ban". Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:37, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, and before I forget: to avoid another weeks-long blowup like we saw last time, this same principle goes for this thread here too. Cla68: on this page, you are allowed to talk about yourself. You are still not allowed to talk about Mathsci, and I will block you if you do (the way you did in your second and third posts in your statement above.) In return, Mathsci, please make absolutely no further posts in this thread. You've made your position clear; now please leave the rest to others. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:43, 5 December 2012 (UTC)