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um, there's a brown derby in Disney MGM Studios.

Major rewrite

I've given this article a major rewrite, mainly to clarify the fact that there was not one but several restaurants, which are often confused with one another. It's very much a bare bones edit - a stronger and clearer structure designed to be built upon by others.

Most information was either clarified, added to or rejuggled, but I took out the following points, either because I couldn't source them, they were unclear, or they appeared to qualify as unnecessary or dubious trivia. If you can source them and find an appropriate place for them in the article, be my guest:

  • The largest collection of photos of the Brown Derby restaurants is on the Bruce Torrence Hollywood Historical Collection.
  • It was named after the Brown Derby Restaurant located in Malverne, Long Island, New York, which operated as a popular vaudeville hang-out. It had been owned by Frank Britton Wenzel,who sold it to Raymond Murphy, who owned it since the 1960s, and gave up management shortly before dying on the Thanksgiving of 1999, and the building was rented and briefly made into a restaurant called "Cooking With Jazz". This restaurant closed in 2001. The Brown Derby was then owned by Ray Murphy's children Susan and Robert, and turned into an apartment building. Construction went from 2004 until 2007, adding a second floor to the building.
  • It was the first restaurant to serve chiffon cake, a soon-to-be famous recipe invented by insurance salesman Harry Baker and later picked up by Betty Crocker.
  • 'Brown Derby' is also the name of a dessert served by the British fast food franchise Wimpy. It consisted of a ball of ice cream, and a warmed chocolate doughnut.
  • In the book The Neddiad by Daniel Pinkwater, Neddie and his family move from Chicago to Hollywood soley to eat at The Brown Derby. The move leads to a series of adventures involving a jellybean, a sacred turtle, and a girl named Yggdrasil.

which one's which

This article needs to be rewritten or at least cleaned up. Half way through, all four restaurants are just referred to as "The Derby". It gets confusing as to which one is closed, moved, remodeled as a night club, and closed again. This was written by someone who already knows the history of the restaurants and so they jump from one to the other; the article was not proofred by an outsider. Perhaps a separate section for each one that clearly explains its history from creation to the current day.

Clarification and an update is definitely needed. I noticed the owners of The Derby posted a message on their web site, telling people they're not in danger of being shut down. JMarkievicz2 23:42, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The problem starts with the third paragraph. Beginning with the word "it," which seems to refer to the Cobb salad discussed in paragraph two, but which must reference the restaurant itself, the remainder of paragraph three is ambiguous as to whether its information applies to the subject of the article or to the restaurant in Malverne, New York. Altgeld (talk) 17:49, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

What about the Brown Derby chain?

This article doesn't mention the Brown Derby chain restaurants throughout the United States as well as the Brown Derby Roadhouses. Buzda 06:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


Inconsistent with Cobb Salad Article

The description of the origins of the Cobb Salad in this article differ from the description given in the Cobb Salad article.

Fire

Was there ever a fire at any of the Brown Derbys? Punette (talk) 04:44, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

There was a fire at the Hollywood location in the late 80s, a vacant building. The restaurant had been closed a number of years at that time. In the early 90s, the building was torn down and replaced with a parking lot. Currently, the entire block is under construction for a multi-use development. Nita&j (talk) 13:17, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

"Buzz"?

This sentence is vague and confusing, who is "Buzz"? "The shell of the Brown Derby was restored and placed on top of the strip mall that took its spot at 3377 Wilshire Boulevard. It is now painted orange and home to Buzz." Cs302b (talk) 23:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Image problem

File:LABrownDerbyLocationsImage-7.jpg has been tagged with an OTRS (permission from copyright holder) pending for months. If anyone has info which can resolve this, please do so. Otherwise, this image may be deleted. -- Infrogmation (talk) 02:58, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Grammar!

Apostrophes do not belong in decades...ie 1930s, not 1930's. They are used for contractions and possessives only. Have we attended first grade?

Check that last paragraph

The info from the "Gerves Brown Derby" section is not sourced AT ALL and some of it reads like promotional material. ("The Girves family was able to build the successful business by being innovative, staying current with business practices, and recognizing that the demands and tastes of their customers changed with time"). Not a bad start to an article but needs cleaning up, clearer language, and more definitive sourcing.

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