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Just some typos

Under Organization:

"...notable politicians Republican politicians Ron Paul, his son Rand Paul,..."

should be

"...notable Republican politicians Ron Paul and his son Rand Paul,..."

for clarity and correctness.

Under Agenda: Delete New York Times definition - They are far left and not factual or credible. NOT "anti-government", but anti "irresponsible" government

Lead: Conservatism, libertarianism, and populism

Why are we kidding ourselves into believing the modern Tea Party is equally conservative and libertarian? Anyone with a pair of eyes can see that it is a staunchly conservative movement, with some small libertarian factions.--Ðrdak (T) 07:24, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

The general answer would be to look back in talk (and also the mediation) for an extensive amount of information that answers that. But a couple thoughts which are oriented towards understanding rather than bolstering:

First, this is not about an entity as your first sentence implies, it is about a movement.
The best way that you can define the politics of a movement is by its agenda. And, roughly speaking, it's agenda is the items in common with conservatism and libertarianism. (by the common USA meanings of those terms) The areas where libertarianism and conservatism conflict are absent from the TPM agenda, most notably social conservatism agendas/items
Libertarians are and have been prominent in the TPM, and it has been described as such in sources

Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 11:09, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Foreign policy

I've moved the following unsourced text here, with the hopes that someone could provide a reliable source citation for it:

As a result, the Tea Party has shown it is largely distinct from the neoconservative and liberal internationalist viewpoints on foreign policy, while not totally endorsing the non-interventionist approach of the paleoconservatives and paleolibertarians. Some Republicans with links to the Tea Party, however, like Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan have embraced the neoconservative foreign policy through their votes on bills such as these.

It appears to be a conclusion of sorts, but I don't see it conveyed by the two "vote list" sources that precede it. Any help? Xenophrenic (talk) 18:09, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Cspan caller to Norm Ornstein Called for Tea Party Early February

On Cspan early in February 2009, a caller from Minnesota called for a Tea Part movement for America during a segment with Norm Ornstein. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.53.204.177 (talk) 18:37, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

The tobacco industry and the Tea Party

Study Confirms Tea Party Was Created by Big Tobacco and Billionaires
Amanda Fallin, Rachel Grana, Stanton A Glantz, ‘To quarterback behind the scenes, third-party efforts’: the tobacco industry and the Tea Party

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Background The Tea Party, which gained prominence in the USA in 2009, advocates limited government and low taxes. Tea Party organisations, particularly Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, oppose smoke-free laws and tobacco taxes.

Methods We used the Legacy Tobacco Documents Library, the Wayback Machine, Google, LexisNexis, the Center for Media and Democracy and the Center for Responsive Politics (opensecrets.org) to examine the tobacco companies’ connections to the Tea Party.

Results Starting in the 1980s, tobacco companies worked to create the appearance of broad opposition to tobacco control policies by attempting to create a grassroots smokers’ rights movement. Simultaneously, they funded and worked through third-party groups, such as Citizens for a Sound Economy, the predecessor of AFP and FreedomWorks, to accomplish their economic and political agenda. There has been continuity of some key players, strategies and messages from these groups to Tea Party organisations. As of 2012, the Tea Party was beginning to spread internationally.

Conclusions Rather than being a purely grassroots movement that spontaneously developed in 2009, the Tea Party has developed over time, in part through decades of work by the tobacco industry and other corporate interests. It is important for tobacco control advocates in the USA and internationally, to anticipate and counter Tea Party opposition to tobacco control policies and ensure that policymakers, the media and the public understand the longstanding connection between the tobacco industry, the Tea Party and its associated organisations.

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— goethean 23:09, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

The first items is about 6 levels below being a source and credibility. The second one has some real facts in it plus spun statements that don't follow from the facts listed. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 00:18, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

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