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January 2012

Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made to Board game: you may already know about them, but you might find Misplaced Pages:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. Just a thought - hope you don't mind the suggestion. Trafford09 (talk) 15:25, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Classic Player Records

I must admit that you were correct and I was wrong on the point of top players' records against one another. Even figuring out Efim Geller's record against many of the world champions has proved very difficult. (Well, except for Fischer and probably, Petrosian) As someone with experience on this point, which sources have you found to be the most trustworthy? I intend to investigate specific discrepancies between Chessgames and 365chess and look at some books, but perhaps there is something else. Thanks a bunch ahead of time!ChessPlayerLev (talk) 04:16, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal: Request for participation

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The request can be found at Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/27 February 2012/Wikipedia:Verifiability.

Just so you know, it is entirely your choice whether or not you participate. If you wish to do so, and we'll see what we can do about getting this sorted out. At MedCab we aim to help all involved parties reach a solution and hope you will join in this effort.

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Welcome back!

Your editorship has been missed. (Thought you might have gotten run over by a city bus or a gator got you. Glad that didn't happen!) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 06:04, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Jan Ehlvest

Hi there - I have responded at the Ehlvest talk page to the question you asked on mine. Nice to hear from you again. Regards, Brittle heaven (talk) 18:40, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Submitting Article for Quality Assessment

I have never done this before, but feel that after the most recent revisions, the quality of the George Henry Mackenzie page is up to the level of a C-class page instead of a Start-class one. Considering that I myself made most of the recent changes, who should I ask to grade its quality? As an experienced chess editor, can I ask you, for instance? Thanks a bunch in advance! ChessPlayerLev (talk) 22:33, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the explanation and kind words. Reading that topic from 2008, I tend to agree with your overall views on biographies as well as quality and importance ratings. I am also normally surprised at how many world-class players have biographies marked as merely Mid importance. ChessPlayerLev (talk) 00:26, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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Award

Golden Wiki Award For valued leadership contributions to Project Chess! Ihardlythinkso (talk) 21:24, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but I haven't earned any awards. Awards should be reserved for those who actually do significant work improving or creating articles, which I really haven't done in about four years. Even so, I appreciate the thought. Quale (talk) 06:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Hastings 1895 Tournament Book and Flags

Feel free to respond to my comment in the Talk topic at your leisure, but I must admit I'm very interested and looking forward to your reply! Thanks. ChessPlayerLev (talk) 21:58, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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Chess players

I did give that some thought - however, as the two in particular I looked at for London were listed as chess editors/writers, I thought I'd leave it at that. No matter; I'll run a fix with AWB tonight and clean 'em up. Should be a small matter. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 04:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Parham Opening

Sorry, I didn't see that but now I understand. Are you a chess player too? What's your rating? OGBranniff (talk) 06:45, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Hello Quale, and Merry Christmas! OGBranniff (talk) 06:34, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

WP Chess in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Chess for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot (talk) 04:50, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

BCO 2

This pic of BCO 2 shows "Gary": Ihardlythinkso (talk) 04:45, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Olympic bold :-)

Not to make too much work, but in the Olympiad articles, the first-place team is in bold too (at least in some I checked). It seems that this bolding isn't necessary either, since it is already indicated as the #1 team. Bubba73 00:57, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

And I can fix those with AWB. Bubba73 02:14, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Checkmate Patterns

Wondering why you removed the backlinks. What is the rationale for removing functionality?

I use this page a lot, it's a pain to navigate without the backlinks. With them, I can just click on heading, go to toc, and look up another mate. Often chessplayers need to do this, e.g. to distinguish between dovetail vs. swallowtail. It's quite standard to backlink to toc when pages have dozens or more lists of entries.

(Note: please don't say to use Home key. I want to click the entry, use the mousewheel to read, then click to go back to toc and lookup a new entry without having to take my hand off the mouse)

Please refer me to a wiki guideline for practice prohibiting this if you could be so kind.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.75.241 (talk) 17:02, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

AWB inconsequential edits

Hi Quale, regarding your recent post on Magioladitis's talk page about very minor AWB edits filling up the watchlists, I've started a discussion about it at Misplaced Pages talk:AutoWikiBrowser#Making inconsequential edits, in case you want to comment. Best wishes, SlimVirgin 00:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC) is this the proper way to talk to you? I am working on pages on chess players too best regards Franky Wan (talk) 04:42, 5 February 2013 (UTC) Hi, tks a lot for your answer we might end up working a lot together...glad to meet you... I am fixing my computers right now... as soon as I am in a normal situation I am going to get back to you over and over

cheers 

Franky Wan (talk) 01:29, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Almost no presentation stds

Allow me to rant! (Thanks.) ... Just a tiny drop in the bucket what happens when there are no presentation standards to speak of. (Users deliberately design their own, acc. their own subjective preferences, and they lash about, reverting one another, and back again, and back again, and articles become an inconsistent hodge-podge of presentation formats, even inter-article, and not worth straightening out, since the "straightening" has no staying power without any convention standards. This particular article even has custom section heads, different from nearly every other openings article, but all according to the IP's taste at the time, and, what is the point to changing it, when there is no support for identifying any consistent, agreed-upon presentation style?!) The only things that're agreed at ProjChess, is lower-case for piece names, and, "White" = player, "white" = piece (and even that def lacks adequacy in many instances!). For any area that gets messed with like this, I for one will not be wasting my time to "reset" or etc. (Seeing that there are no standards, about anything, then every aspect of presentation is open to "being messed with".) Ok, I feel better now! Thx for letting me rant. (It's all your fault, ya know!) ;) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 11:31, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

The deal is, I think chess is different from many WP topical areas, allowing consistency, due to all the repetition inherent. (Especially openings articles. How moves are presented , tree struture orgs, diagram caption/title conventions, annotation/analysis lines, symbols , names of variations, game records , etc., etc. A juicy candidate for consistency in presentations. But ... "Nope!") Ok, done. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 11:40, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Quale, thx for your msg on my Talk. Yes there were some 'good' edits mixed in all the notation preferences changes to QGD, it makes it a task/work to change back then since no 'undo' is possible of course. (I see you went thru that work recently! It's tedious, there's no automated way to do it.) I see the same user did same to French Defense article, and Sicilian Najdorf article. Also changed to his personal preferences, in part, at World Chess Championship 2010. You mentioned that reverting these types of changes is justified, but without conventions agreed & posted at the project page, I'm not sure "this is more common" is a strong enough argument for someone set on seeing their personal preferences in their pet articles (or elsewhere). (I could see someone just reverting the effort, saying there's no MOS on it or agreed convention mentioned at ProjChess.) Anyway I was teasing when I said "all your fault" I trust you didn't take seriously. As another example look how User:Tony1 gave me crap (repeating at me "What about the sources?" endlessly) when he changed "Bxa5" to "B×a5". There was 99.999% predominance in articles for "x" not "×", but he ignored that and went his own way, insisting on his own way till the end. (A user who had it out for me got his nose in, and tried to make me look bad if I reverted him, as though no consensus and no policy and an edit war. So I didn't revert. Then another clear-thinking ProjChess member came along later and just reverted the whole deal at Morphy Versus, as it was clearly nonsense. The other side just apparently gave up on that article, but not the principle of the disagreement over convention.) Without conventions at ProjChess, I don't see any basis for contending with ridiculous changes like that, or editors' personal preferences. I just see no logical argument to lean on to back up changes, as again, no agreed conventions. I've tried to pick low-hanging fruit (like "O-O" versus "0-0", and "=" for promitions), but there is no appetite to form conventions there, either. Thx for reading. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 14:07, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

FIDE id

I noticed that you added the FIDE ID back to Marie Sebag. I checked several current players, and it wasn't in any of them. They are linked in the player's info box, at the FIDE rating. I don't know if this was discussed on the chess project page or not. Bubba73 04:18, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Stripper Heels

Hello. While we are on the subject of worthless deletion rationales, I found this your comment on "Clear Heels" to be wildly inappropriate. OGBranniff (talk) 01:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey man, I just hit 200 edits on Misplaced Pages. Thank you for your encouragement and your invitation to join "Wikiproject Chess." OGBranniff (talk) 02:50, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Once again, I would like to wholeheartedly thank you for inviting me to join "Wikiproject Chess." At this time I have just passed my 250th edit here. Thank you for noticing my interest in the Royal Game and your invitation to the Wikiproject back in December 2012. Cheers, OGBranniff (talk) 06:56, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Sir, I have received your message. I have to say that yes, the first batch of nominations was when I was more junior and not in sync with some of the notability policy. However, I hope you will find that today's crop of nominations (9 March 2013) will be more successful and more in line with policy. In any case, I promise to stop nominating articles for deletion for a while. Today's batch will be the last for at least a week. Thank you and feel free to share your concerns anytime. I do value your opinion as a senior contributor. Your friend, OGBranniff (talk) 07:05, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

ANI statement

Quale, thank u for taking the step filing that ANI. (I'm flabbergasted by statement from Admin Monty845, that User:OGBranniff's editing behavior has "been generally within guidelines"!! (I've asked Monty to explain, FYI.)

I have extremely low, low, low expectations of ANI, and won't have anything to do with that venue personally, so, I really should not be shocked by anything coming out of it. ("Nothing good ever comes from that place." --Malleus Fatuorum) But I appreciate the step you took, it was time. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 07:32, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

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Stress relief

Did you see this!? (It's the best I had today. I actually got a belly- out of it. We gotta keep this! It just needs a little dust-up maybe, but I can see potential for it GOING PLACES, vistas of EXPANSION potential.) :) :) :) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 11:51, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Again

Quale, you are welcome to bring your concerns to ANI, if it fits the "incident" description. Or you could try the RfC/U route, as I suggested to Ihardlythinkso. Let me suggest to you, though, that if you bring a case to ANI you bring one that is really actionable, with more evidence of more serious disruption. And if you start an RfC/U, it should be written up in a calm and collected manner with a plethora of well-organized evidence. That ANI thread you submitted simply did not present enough grounds for a block: you cannot expect admins who peruse the board to do a complete investigation of all issues surrounding an editor's behavior, and while I've now been criticized by just about everyone who's ever moved a pawn around a board it is worthwhile noticing that the other admin who commented also didn't see anything blockable, nor did any of the admins who saw and read the thread but did not comment, let alone take action. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 03:20, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Drmies, other editors have been blocked, even indef-blocked, for a whole lot less. Admins are permitted to wield their tools with discretionary latitude, which they frequently exercise. They make judgement calls. OGBranniff was in violation of a whole string of things: DISRUPTION, TENDENTIOUS EDITING, POINT, GAMING THE SYSTEM, INCIVILITY, and BATTLEGROUND MENTALITY. And it would take only a minor amount of research to see that. Admin Monty, who fould no immediate cause to block, also apologized for me and admitted he was wrong when stating in the ANI that OGBranniff's behavior was within guidelines. (Although, I still take issue with him that comment "Ooohhh... I know you're probably giving yourself a major hard-on acting like you're all "cool" and "rebel" by being contrarian." is not a sexually-charged insult, with Monty saying "my read of that comment was that it was not accusing you of masterbating per say.") Admin Monty suggested "the conduct was not so far outside the behavioral guidelines that an immediate block, rather then more warnings and discussion was in order.", but that just shows me that he just doesn't get what's with this editor ... unless the communication to OGBranniff is a threat from an Administrator, or someone agreeing on the agenda he wants, attempts to discuss with OGBranniff is merely exploited as opportunity to play head-games for his amusement. Drmies, there is a strong, strong culture in Admin corps that another Admin's action is rarely questioned and even less rarely countermanded. I would bet all five fingers of my left hand no Admin would have challenged a block of OGB as a result of that ANI (and, I play the violin!). Instead, the condition you set for actionability using phrases like "plethora of well-organized evidence" goes the other way, and I can see a fair criticism that it is interpreted as protecting this trollish editor, while threatening a serious editor with Wiki-death (me). Why would you require a mountain of evidence, which only guarantees numerous hours of additional disruption, raised to the level of criminal court criterion "beyond a reasonable doubt", when 1) I've seen blocks for a whole lot less, unchallenged by the Admin corps, and 2) you yourself on User Talk:Kudpung called the OGBranniff affair a "time sink", and in the same small time window threatened me with pursuit of interaction ban which would have effectively been a Misplaced Pages-wide ban on me. (You seem to pull out guns when wasting your own time, but when it comes to wasting ProjChess members' time, well, that is perfectly okay. I see that you are significant conent contributor, Drmies, so perhaps it is additional reason you are impatient to have your time wasted on OGBranniff affair. But this is just more reason to understand others' same view.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 04:16, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Good luck to you all on the next outing, wherever it may be. This affair is indeed a time sink because of all participants, and I am not interested in any more accusations, in which you all have seen fit to include me. Ihardlythinkso and Quale, I suppose it is fine to be disappointed with an admin's decision, but if there is ever something you want done by an administrator it would be wise to not cast too much shit their way. I'm going to archive all y'all's conversations on my talk page and wish you the best. Drmies (talk) 13:07, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

But it is OK for you to compare me to your toddlers, exclaim the too-easy insult "Grow up!", offer me a cookie & a ribbon if I behave like a good little boy, and (less I forget) threaten me with the equivalent of my Wiki-death. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 03:13, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Dear fellow Schachspieler Quale

When you today asserted to Admin User:Drmies that I had but limited and insignificant article-space contribution in my entire history on Misplaced Pages, did you conveniently forget these article contributions of mine spanning over the last two months?

• here for WMGE,
• or substantially adding to this article,
• information on the classic film "Airport '77,
• this music video,
• my contributions to this famous chess player bio,
• and reversion of vandalism here.

I apologise if this was mere oversight, but then again, why did you make this personal attack against me here?.

Again, mere oversight? Eagerly awaiting your kind response, OGBranniff (talk) 05:29, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

No, I stand by what I wrote. Quale (talk) 01:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)