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RfC: Conversion to {{Infobox Road}}

This proposal consists of several parts -

1. Identify all issues with {{Infobox Road}} and modify it for Australian usage. (Significant progress has already been made on this at WT:AURD)
2. Convert articles using {{Infobox Australian road}} to {{Infobox Road}}, retaining {{Infobox Australian road}} as a backup working template if editors wish.

Please see WT:AURD (Wikiproject: Australian Roads) for a summary of what has been discussed so far. These topics are not closed for discussion, if you have a problem with an existing decision of Wikiproject: Australian Roads, please discuss it below, in addition to topics we may not have covered thus far.

Survey

Survey is closed until issues have had adequate discussion.

Discussion

Interested Parties

I have invited WP:AUS, WP:HWY, and WP:HWY/O on their associated talk pages. If anyone has suggestions for other interested parties to invite please let me know. Of course, individual editors can extend invitations to any groups or editors they want, but I am happy to accept requests to do it instead. - Nbound (talk) 10:37, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

For what has previously been a contentious topic, there seems little interest, so I have personally contacted the following editors individually:

• All WP:HWY/O editors (with a few exceptions as certain editors helped discuss/propose this).
• All WP:AUS editors in the "sorted list".

Or roughly 250 editors from those Wikiprojects.

As well as:

• Editors who commented in previous discussions pertaining to the use of {{infobox road}} in Australian articles.

Or roughly 20 editors.

I apologize in advance for any double-ups/missing editors/other problems, I did my best to get the word out to as many people as possible.

Nbound (talk) 05:54, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Caveat

• This is long overdue, and I support the proposed migration, only with the caveat that the old Australia-specific template should not be retained "as a working backup", but deleted or redirected to the more generic one; or made a shell which calls that one. Kudos to Nbound for getting this off the ground; and being willing to do the boring clerical work. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:28, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Andy, in the long term I would imagine that the deletion of {{infobox Australian road}} would occur, assuming this current proposal is received positively. Any future deletion will be a completely separate discussion to this one. The main reason we are keeping the old one as a backup is there may be editors that believe particular roads will be better served by the original box, and this will allow its use to continue while we work with them to further modify {{infobox road}} to suit their specific needs; of course, we expect the number of such roads to be quite small (if any!). This infobox has been a point of contention in the past, with very polarised opinions, hopefully we can all find some common ground this time round. We will consider proposing deletion, in the short-term only, if it is specifically mentioned by a the greater majority of those who discuss it here. -- Nbound (talk) 11:36, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

"Established" suggestion

• I wasn't sure where the best place to comment was. You should put some clear places and/or create the talk pages that you'd like used. Mark Hurd (talk) 11:16, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Anyway, my only comment is you need to confirm if you intend to get more of the existing features moved across, especially the coloured background and the large shields. In general the new info box does look like it is clearer with more information -- and I said "in general": there is stuff that I'd prefer to still be available, like redundantly including direction and from/to at the top(*) and the aforementioned coloured backgrounds and large shields.

(*)Actually I think this could be my total suggestion:

1. Have the "Existed" LHS change to "Established" and drop the "-present" when the road is still in use.
2. Allow "Location" to appear before "Major junctions" and ... (BTW "Route information" is currently a poor title.)
   1. Redundantly include From/To and
   2. Direction in "Location"
3. Consider finding an Australian term for "Allocation", or even call it "Number" and still have the same link.
4. Definitely include the "See also" and "For full list" ancillary comments and links at the end of "Major junctions". (I'm referring to the last two test cases.)

Mark Hurd (talk) 11:16, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Conversion testcases

Main page: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Australian Roads/Infobox testcases

If you would like a conversion of a particular road/highway/freeway, so you can see what it will look like, please request it below:

• <Your request here>
• <Your request here>

A reasonably complete set of Australia-specific {{infobox road}} documentation is also available at the bottom of the testcases page.

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