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August 15

Template:Seed Beni Suef

Template:Seed Beni Suef (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Category:General articles stubs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused. Frietjes (talk) 19:55, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Speedy delete as redundant to general {{stub}} template (or any specific variety thereof). Furthermore, this seems way too ridiculously specific to deserve its own template (its need for copyediting is irrelevant at this point). LazyBastardGuy 21:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Violence against Hindus

Template:Violence against Hindus (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not a useful template, the collection of links are not subtopics of the template topic but rather tangentially related general topics User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 17:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I created the template using this Template:Violence against Muslims template as base. So, you mean to say this is also not an useful template?? - Vatsan34 (talk) 18:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
If you note the difference in contents most of the links from the template violence against muslim in fact lead to articles about Violence against Muslim not to random articles about discrimination and violence. Your creation of the template was clearly a POINTy action based on a misgided notion of neutrality requiring equal treatment to different religions. If we had a series of articles on violence against Hindus then the template would be warranted - but we don't and we are not likely to ever get one since there isn't a body of literature about that topic. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

*Delete per nominator. Only one link in the template has anything to do with Hindus specifically; the rest link to general topics. A template/navbox is not needed unless more Hindu-specific links can be added. LazyBastardGuy 21:48, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, that is actually a reasonable number of articles for a template. I retract the nomination for deletion.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:50, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Shall I go ahead and remove the "nominated for deletion" tag? - Vatsan34 (talk) 06:52, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
No, the parent category for the template is category:Violence against Muslims. It is right there in the template. Darkness Shines (talk) 21:03, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, just notice you also created a cat for the template. Darkness Shines (talk) 21:45, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Dtsa

Template:Dtsa (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Dts (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Dtsa with Template:Dts.
This template's documentation, from May 2011, says " It may be worth integrating this template into {{dts}}, but that template's code is so complex currently that it should probably be cleaned up a little before adding more functionality.". Now we have Lua, I think it's time to do that (but, regrettably, lack the know-how). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

College sports retired numbers

Template:Kansas Jayhawks men's basketball retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Kansas State Wildcats basketball retired jerseys (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:North Carolina Tar Heels women's basketball retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Ohio State Buckeyes basketball retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Appalachian State Mountaineers football retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Gator Football Ring of Honor (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Florida State Seminoles football retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Kansas State Wildcats football Ring of Honor navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Michigan Wolverines football retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Ohio State Buckeyes football retired numbers navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pittsburgh Panthers football retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Texas Longhorns football retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:UCLA Bruins football retired number navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Delete all per CRUFT, NENAN and TCREEP. I wholly agree that retired jerseys merit special mention, but they should have their own subsection on that team's main article page; they shouldn't clog up player articles with yet another navbox that is essentially banner-hanging. WikiProjects College Basketball and Football already have bad raps with a lot of editors for overusing navboxes, and the existence of these does not help our cause. They're just too much! Jrcla2 (talk) 15:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Note, I'm also nominating the following categories for deletion:
Category:American college sports retired number navigational boxes (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Category:American college basketball retired number navigational boxes (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Category:American college football retired number navigational boxes (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
  • Delete all, per both above comments. Some of those navboxes, like Michigan's, also include players whose numbers aren't retired as "legends." There's just no need for it. Jhortman (talk) 18:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
There is absolutely, positively no such consensus. Retired numbers and jerseys are common inclusions in all other sports team navboxes (see Template:New York Yankees for an example) as they are an integral part of the culture and history of sports teams and important for the reader for understanding the topic which is the essence of the WP:NAV guideline. This has been repeatedly discussed at the talk page of the CFB Wikiproject as well at some of the individual template talk pages and the insistence that there is a consensus that prevents retired numbers from being added to the main team navboxes, when clearly no such consensus exists, is thoroughly without merit. Likewise, the idea that one Wikiproject has exclusive ownership of the content of 100s of individual navboxes (that also fall under the other Wikiprojects) is a notion that is without precedent in the entirety of Misplaced Pages and completely without merit. CrazyPaco (talk) 07:34, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Just to be clear, I have no reason to feel like a navbox HAS to be on a player's article just because their college number was retired. That isn't to say it isn't a notable accomplishment, just that not everything needs a navbox. I personally like the way Andre Miller's article has it in the highlights section of his infobox. The problem with creating a navbox (or adding a program navbox that has retired numbers on it) is that there are often redlinks (or worse IMO, unlinked articles) of people who actually aren't notable (a problem pro teams where everyone is notable don't have). I can live with program articles linking retired numbers, but my preference would be no navbox and just noting the retired/honored number status in the infobox accomplishments. Rikster2 (talk) 18:14, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Humayun Azad

Template:Humayun Azad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN. Even if it did have five bluelinks, this navbox is clunky and almost entirely devoid of function. Deadbeef 10:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete - Serves no useful navigation purpose. The material is in reality his bibliography. -- Whpq (talk) 13:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Delete - this is almost a textbook example of how not to use a navbox. A navbox is not for things that should be presented in list form, which this would be better suited for. It's not a catalog of works. It's for links to related articles only. It can have some unlinked stuff and be used this way, but only if there is far more linked stuff than unlinked. LazyBastardGuy 21:53, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Language term infoboxes

Template:Arabicterm (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Infobox Russian term (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

These seem a bit silly to me, but if people think they're useful, then maybe we should consider creating a master template. — Lfdder (talk) 10:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't see the potential. image/caption are replaceable with media syntax; that just leaves title (the name of the article) and transliteration and translation that usually just go in brackets after the name in the lead. — Lfdder (talk) 21:17, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Are you are under the impression that there should only be one transliteration field? Like I said, there exist a number of romanization systems, and very often giving romanization in more than one is highly desired. I don't see how it is efficient to incorporate one language-specific systems into a master template...—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 20, 2013; 12:19 (UTC)
  • Keep These should be expanded to show what romanization system is being used and the same term under different romanization systems for English or generic Latin-lettering. Russian has changed romanization standards a few times, so historic spellings should be available in the box. Arabic has several romanization systems in use, so collecting them in a better presentation is better than very long intro sentences of the various forms the term is romanized as. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:21, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Why do we need to have all these romanizations? — Lfdder (talk) 08:15, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
So that the Misplaced Pages search will find it, when you enter an alternate romanization. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:57, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
No, that's not reason for an infobox. — Lfdder (talk) 22:44, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
We already put various spellings into articles, they could be collected in the infoboxen instead. And as people complain about redirects not showing up in the article (at RfD), they will now show up in the article. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 07:10, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Wrt the params you added to the infobox....'English translated term' doesn't apply cos it's for loanwords. Do you mean synonyms? What's 'literal meaning'? The etymology? Looks like it all amounts to a dictionary def to me; {{wiktionary}} exists. — Lfdder (talk) 08:23, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Loanwords can have English native equivalencies, and English Misplaced Pages is not restricted to writing articles on English loanwords, we can also write articles for them in Russian, say if American (word) were about a Russian word. (Just as English Misplaced Pages is not restricted to writing articles about the English world.) Also, terms that are phrases are not wiktionary material anyways. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:57, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
  • merge into say {{infobox foreign language term}}. the Russian template is more well developed, and has quite a bit that is not Russian specific. the Arabic template is less well developed, and the functionality is generally a subset of the Russian template. A 'language' parameter could be used to switch between different languages. Frietjes (talk) 22:34, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Comment would this be a multipart template system then? Or template-subtemplate system? Or template-wrapper system? or monolithic template? (about half the Russian template is generic (or could be genericized), the other half is Russian specific; the Arabic one is now 3/4 generic (or could be genericized) ) -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:05, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
  • merge into {{infobox foreign language term}}.--82.117.201.26 (talk) 07:21, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox WorldScouting

Template:Infobox WorldScouting (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template needs a rethink; and possibly even forking. It's used for organisations (redundant to {{Infobox organisation}}?); events (e.g. Pinewood derby; redundant to {{Infobox recurring event}}?); training programmes (e.g. Law Enforcement Exploring); places (e.g. Treasure Island Scout Reservation; redundant to {{Infobox park}}?); badges (e,g, Merit badge (Boy Scouts of America); redundant to an award or medal infobox?); and generic topics (Scouting, Scouting in Alabama). 861 transclusions in all. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Strong Keep - I'm not sure what your trying to say, but a deleation is wrong. If it needs to be changes, I could get a request like that, but not a delete. It is appropriately used on 861 pages Scouting Pages, as you even say. Instead of having to uses all the "redundant" templates, as you call them, a single Scouting template is uses. This is no different then other templates. {{ --ARTEST4ECHO (/contribs) 20:35, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:History of the Hebrew language

Template:History of the Hebrew language (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Hebrew language}} and misleading (passing off varieties as periods of the language). — Lfdder (talk) 09:11, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Eygeptian village

Template:Eygeptian village (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose deletion. It is not used and has no likelihood of being used; any situation where it might be used is already sufficiently covered by {{Infobox village}}. Failing deletion, it should be renamed to correct spelling and indicate that it's an infobox. — Paul A (talk) 01:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Saleh, Beni Suef

Template:Saleh, Beni Suef (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose deletion. It is not used and has no likelihood of being used; it's so specific as to be useful on only one page, and on that page it's already been replaced by an instance of {{Infobox settlement}}. — Paul A (talk) 01:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:ETS LRT future

Template:ETS LRT future (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This entire discussion is becoming moot, given the edits made by 96.52.42.160 (talk · contribs). Useddenim (talk) 10:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Vandal edits, removing discussion notices, blanking pages, and substituting templates, clearly the user doesn't want to be part of the discussion. 117Avenue (talk) 02:18, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:ETS LRT route

Template:ETS LRT route (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)