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Is Saif Al-Dawla captured by SAA?
Accroding to this story (in Arabic) with footage from inside the district, Syrian Army gained control of the neighborhood by end of July. http://www.almayadeen.net/ar/news/syria-_xEsieTg7UeoV6ILAQS_Bw/%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%A9-%D8%A5%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%B3%D9%8A%D9%81-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A9 Ahmadac (talk) 15:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
- No, it isn´t. EllsworthSK (talk) 14:24, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
- Any proof of it or we have to agree with your sacred word?--HCPUNXKID (talk) 16:12, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
- How about the main article, where the last entry is about a rebel attack in Salaheddine? I really don't see how they could go about executing that if they did not control Saif Al-Dawla.--197.111.223.233 (talk) 18:54, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
- I don´t need one, genius. Unreliable source will remain one no matter what you wish for. Just as when your guys tried to pain Laraymoun red because Fars said so. EllsworthSK (talk) 19:58, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
- Any proof of it or we have to agree with your sacred word?--HCPUNXKID (talk) 16:12, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Map edit is incorrect?
Just noticed a map edit has been made based on Updated the map based on the information provided on Battle of Aleppo (2012-13) and Cities and towns during the Syrian civil war As far as i know al-Aziza is under attack from the FSA and other parties. I am unsure as to what the situation is at the airport though. Could really do with real information from trust worthy sources before edits are made? 5.67.44.60 (talk) 22:20, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
Seems to have Reverted 5.67.44.60 (talk) 22:41, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Some guy's trying to ruin the map. Since it needs an update, I got this pic from opposition source from 2 days ago which is very accurate based on street level. Major changes based on it, looks like we had a lot of areas wrong... Moester101 (talk) 07:58, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
- Oh yes you can tell just how accurate that map is that it marks such obvious locations as Hanano barracks as being partially rebel held, all the Kurdish areas as "rebel controlled", no govt presence at Marat Artiq, etc. Next time they'll just color all of Aleppo green and you'll say we need to adjust the map to this new reality. Actually they already did, do you want me to get you the "greenest" map of Aleppo for you from rebel sources? "Major changes" indeed XD 98.224.32.154 (talk) 15:22, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, because the Syrian rebels are totally reliable source...Kermanshahi (talk) 12:13, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, a lot of the changes are in government's favor, such as making the large area above the airport red. Also, I didn't copy the opposition map 100%, I just used it template for unclear areas where we don't hear much news about. Next time really look at the changes before making your comments. Moester101 (talk) 09:14, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
The page Cities and towns during the Syrian civil war was recently updated to show al-Aziza as gone from disputed to government held. Someone just updated this map to show that development, a necessary update. But I guess if you're not in business of Takfiri propaganda you're just trying to "ruin the map." Kermanshahi (talk)
- The government propaganda edit on the Cities map will be dealt with, as apart from Aziza, the same edit also marked Maarat-Al-Numan and Hajar-Al-Aswad as contested. The latest information is that there are clashes in Aziza. And there is in fact no government presence in Maarat Artiq, the last news from that area was that rebels took Hohni. --197.106.32.204 (talk) 05:45, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
- Update: user who made the Cities map edit has apparently been banned. That pretty much clears it.--197.106.32.204 (talk) 05:47, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
- There was a government presense in Marat Artiq 4 days ago and I've heard no news of its capture by rebels. What happened?
- From LCC:
- "In Aleppo, FSA targeted regime forces gathering centers in Maaret Artiq, and regime forces gathering centers in Sfeira as well. FSA also targeted Nubbul and Zahra villages with many artillery shells and scored direct assaults. In Aleppo as well, FSA targeted Soap Factory that is considered as a regime forces center in Old Aleppo neighborhood."
- Here's also a video of FSA firing mortars at Marat Artiq, also 4 days ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMXssYuUI-w 98.224.32.154 (talk) 08:17, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
- Update: user who made the Cities map edit has apparently been banned. That pretty much clears it.--197.106.32.204 (talk) 05:47, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
...firing mortars at... hmmm well SAA fired mortars at Raqqah. Following your argument perhaps we should change Raqaah to 'contested' Just check the violations documentation center(pro rebells page) and see the 'martyrs' during last days...there is dead from SAA'mortar shelling... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.73.216.221 (talk) 17:39, 13 October 2013 (UTC) 0
- oh god, what? No, that's not my logic at all, please learn to read English. 98.224.32.154 (talk) 18:00, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
- Last thing known, the army tried to capture Marat Artiq in May and failed. In a counter offensive, the rebels seized Hohni, which was the furthest point of the army's advance towards Marat Artiq. Is this not what happened?--197.171.98.212 (talk) 21:14, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
- I don't know, you tell me. :) I just know a lot of rebel sources claim that there is fighting and rebel shelling of Marat Artiq, I had provided some of those but there are many more. I don't know where Hohni is or what is the situation there. 98.224.32.154 (talk) 15:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
- Last thing known, the army tried to capture Marat Artiq in May and failed. In a counter offensive, the rebels seized Hohni, which was the furthest point of the army's advance towards Marat Artiq. Is this not what happened?--197.171.98.212 (talk) 21:14, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
- oh god, what? No, that's not my logic at all, please learn to read English. 98.224.32.154 (talk) 18:00, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
The map here is very old and needs update neighborhoods that are south of the Airport are government held and with recent advances by the army they lifted the siege and the route to these neighborhoods is open. Madafeit-Al-Neirab,Neirab and Aziza are government held not contested and also some people seem to spread propaganda on this page like user 98.224.32.154 seems to be out of his mind showing us a video of rebels lunching mortars in that case we need to put every town and city in syria contested instead of rebel held cuz you know the regime has an air force and they are shelling all the time.79.126.203.80 (talk) 22:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Allow me to end the Maarat Artiq dispute by pointing out that town is not even on the map!--169.202.5.160 (talk) 07:12, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Sakhur
Sakhur is marked as not contested? Please provide sources! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.84.86.14 (talk) 11:16, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
- Please check the archive, it was agreed when Sakhur was marked contested two months ago (when there were clashes around the water company) that it would revert to rebel held if no clashes occurred there in the next two weeks. It has been two months.--197.106.32.204 (talk) 05:30, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
- Exactly. No clashes for 2 months means it's not contested. Moester101 (talk) 09:16, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Another perspective-
http://i.imgur.com/N1vSU4n.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.117.88.7 (talk) 03:28, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- Where is that map from? Who made it? Esn (talk) 17:17, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
- It is from syrian perspective: https://www.facebook.com/SyriaPerspective. their views are obviously biased toward the government, however their maps are actually very accurate and represent the situation on the ground.
http://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Syrian_civil_war_detailed_map — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.213.107.121 (talk) 19:40, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
This map is outdated by ~1 year — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.188.179 (talk) 01:35, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
- Do you mean the map linked above, or the Misplaced Pages map? Esn (talk) 17:17, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
The map linked above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.188.179 (talk) 03:17, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
The imgur map is not outdated 1 year, map is current for last week. See talk and military situation. South: road to aleppo open near tal aran and tal hasel after government offensive. West: govmnt advance direction etcetera. North: shqayeff not gvnmt held (1year ago gvnmt held). why you insist map is outdated 1 year? == Map of control ==
- That map happens to be the first and so far only indication of the army attempt to recapture Khan Tuman and Khan Al-Asal since they fell to the rebels, so you might understand how some may be skeptical due to it's source.--169.202.5.166 (talk) 12:27, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I understand you. Skeptical is allright. But reflection: the map means that khan asal and tuman is precisely even not gvmt control/held, but means is under attack from saa….and not safe/stable fully rebelheld. Greatings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.152.215.74 (talk) 06:53, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Looking at that map more closely, it strikes me that areas depicted under attack from the army have a wider conflict zone than those under rebel attack. Even with an advantage in firepower the army has, that is unlikely. What I think may be used in that map is the ignorance of the public on how far artillery ranges. It's a trick many pro-Asad editors here have tried to use as well.
- Also, while the capture of Khan Tuman would improve the safety of supply lines, retaking Khan Al-Asal would grant the army no tactical advantage, and I don't believe they would launch such a resource expensive operation just for propaganda reasons.--41.48.191.235 (talk) 08:55, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Recent map versions and reverts
Please check the current map version, if it's correct I'll probably lock it as there's some edit warring again. Maybe there's a new sock involved there. --Denniss (talk) 06:32, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Aleppo
The map needs to show the actual city limits.
The vast lands around long roads are controlled by no one and should not be Green/Red/Etc. in accordance with proximity to nearby roads.
In addition, The map needs to show the southern neighborhood around the Cement Factory - it is important because it was the link to the other northern neighborhoods under the government's control.
Starting October 1st. The 12 brigades that rejected the Coalition control areas that must be labeled in a color other than Green. It has been mentioned that the map should have maybe 'Black' or otherwise non-green.
Starting October 7th, and after liberating 35 little towns on the way to Aleppo, the Government now opened the road to Aleppo again. Salameyeh - Khanaser - Aleppo. This Particular map needs to show more southern neighborhoods under the Government's control showing how they connect to the rest of Syria under the government's control.
Also, there are Government troops in the Yellow Area. It should also be RED given that there are no fights between them and the red areas and only between red & green or yellow & green. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.15.164 (talk) 19:48, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
- The 12 brigades you speak of rejected the National Coalition, not the Military Council. It was a shift in political stances rather than military alliances. There has to date been no record of confrontations between the newly formed alliance and units still recognizing the National Coalition and no indication that the units on the ground ceased mutual cooperation. ISIS is the only anti-government group to show hostility towards other groups, and there are no reports of ISIS presence in or around Aleppo.--169.202.5.162 (talk) 09:32, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
According to a map published by syrianperspective Nayrab district and the area around airport is under government control I can't say anything about the validity of this website or the map. Someone more informed about the specific website could do something ~~Jorj~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.65.150.199 (talk) 02:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Also, http://www.trust.org/item/20131005184147-s8z9c/ citing reuters claims that AlAziza is under government control. Dunno why this is not depicted in the map...and it is almost one month old.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.65.153.119 (talk) 03:30, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
- This had been depicted in the map previously, unfortunately the user who done so also made Salaheddine government territory (it's not) so the edit had to be reverted and the map has since been locked.--169.202.5.160 (talk) 06:56, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
South Of Airport
The army has secured Nairab village and today re secured Aziza village according to AFP, as part of the supply route to the city that has reopened many days ago. Why the area south of the airport is contested?--Dimitrish81 (talk) 20:05, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
- Because the well-known vandal Sopher99 continue his POV-pushing without problems, as always...--HCPUNXKID (talk) 17:39, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
old
The map must be reverted! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.144.213.202 (talk) 18:39, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Army base 80
It is contested now, because it is partly recaptured by the Syrian Army. (SOHR)
Kalpet (talk) 08:51, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
FSA supporters, you're done here. Crawl back into the shithole caves you came from. And the article linked above clearly states that Nairab is under government control. Stop adjusting the map to fit your distorted pro-FSA views. This map is a resource for those wanting accurate knowledge of the situation on the ground, not for your personal fantasy games where FSA controls everything.
- It would have been changed already if one of your side hadn't tried to use the opportunity of changing Nairab to try and color Salaheddine red. So you can go back to your ivory tower where you and Asad sip cocktails over latest Al-Manar news report and complain there!--41.76.208.114 (talk) 11:35, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
- Relax men! Be polite. It doesn't help. Such words can revote users. This article depends on people interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kostadin24 (talk • contribs) 10:58, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
"AFP - Syrian troops have recaptured parts of a military base seized by rebels early this year in fierce fighting near Aleppo international airport, a monitoring group said on Friday.
Heavy fighting erupted at 4:00 am (0200 GMT) around Base 80 outside Syria's main northern city, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.
The troops were backed by militia and fighters from Lebanese militant group Hezbollah in their assault on rebel groups including the Al-Qaeda-affiliated Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, the Observatory said.
"Regime troops have advanced inside the base and now control large parts of it, and rebel groups and the Islamic State are bringing in reinforcements," it said."
http://www.france24.com/en/20131108-syria-army-retakes-parts-base-aleppo-airport — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.117.88.10 (talk) 10:23, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Please update the map: http://www.lbcgroup.tv/news/123894/syria-troops-recapture-base-80-near-aleppos-intern — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.135.81.2 (talk) 11:46, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
This is the most inacurate map of all in the syrian civil war section sources clearly show that Base 80 is contested and the Neirab districs are government held.79.126.201.131 (talk) 12:53, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
- Of course is the most innacurate map of the Syrian war (and thats not easy), as some "users" (I would call it other thing, but I will try to be relaxed) continue reverting well-sourced changes. As the previous user says, Base 80 district must be coloured brown as its now contested, and a red arrow pointing north to the base showing the direction of the SAA attack. Ah, and as others had pointed in an earlier post, al-Aziza must be coloured in red, as its government-held according to journalistic sources. Will anyone made this changes, or POV-pushing fallacies will continue?.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 18:41, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Acording to Reuters the Base of brigade 80 has been recaptured but here it is still colored in green http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/08/us-syria-crisis-aleppo-idUSBRE9A70JN20131108
79.126.205.236 (talk) 18:58, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Ok it would be nice for everyone to calm down and do not insult others A compromise would be a redesigned map where some regions around airport are clearly held by government forces. About Salahedine i am not the one who will decide who controls this area, but mark it as contested is a wise choice. Also, marking as contested the area where Mil.Brigade 80 is located would be fair. Another point is that users who systematically act without any other discussion and promoting their POVs sjould be immediately warned and after repeated violations they should get banned from altering anything regarding Syrian Civil War. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.131.200.217 (talk) 19:34, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Even if all thes mentioned above have been pointed out many times there is a luck of Willingness-tolerance to put aside vandals who make those reverts and try to create a fiction image of the war.Aleppo map is by far the most misleading and pro rebel. Just take a look a few days ago and the lack of touch in ground control and this map.--Dimitrish81 (talk) 19:53, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Aleppo map might be somekind of troubeled, but its not easy to follow situation on the ground. As per Base 80, I suppose olive for now is OK, till some more news of complete retaking by Government troops will show up, then could go red. --94.140.88.117 (talk) 10:07, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- Base 80 edit is allright exept that the area marked as contested expands to far to the north. The real size of Base 80 is shown here. Contested area should reach only half that far to the north. OberschIesien90 (talk) 11:00, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
General trend on twitter seems to report that this attack failed and the rebels have began a counter attack. However as it is early days in this, the just north of the airport could be marked as contested 94.6.54.72 (talk) 16:07, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- I have made the edits, and will reduce the contested area around Base 80 if User:Alhanuty ceases to revert the edits made to the map. My opinion is that a broad ban on any Syrian Civil War-related topics should be imposed on him, not only because of what he's doing here. - ☣Tourbillon 17:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Who are you to go bitching about neutrality here in Misplaced Pages and who gets blocked or not blocked,you betta watch your words,becuz you are sayin some tough words that you are gonna be responsible forAlhanuty (talk) 04:15, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- Any kind of frequent one-sided reverts should be banned. Good work Tourbillon, I did agree with narrowing. --94.140.88.117 (talk) 19:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
The base has been retaken by rebels so I think we should make the base itself green with its southern and eastern side brown with a red arrow pointing at it. Sources: 1 23 4 I think we now have enough sources to say it's been recaptured by rebels Amedjay (talk) 13:24, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- There are enough sources quoting the same source (SOHR), which does not mean we have enough sources to confirm if either the base has been fully recaptured or that fighting has ceased. I suggest we wait for a few more days before making any changes, and leave the area as contested.
- EDIT: As expected, fighting continues. SOHR: Clashes are ongoing in the perimeter of the 80th division between regular forces, Hezbollah, NDF from one side and the ISIS, al-Nusra front and several Islamic battalions from the other. Reports that the clashes reached areas inside the 80th division. - ☣Tourbillon 14:25, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- Second edit, info by Daily Star: The Brigade 80 base has been reported to have changed hands multiple times in the past day. It first fell to rebels in February, but the government retook it last week. Activists said that it was recaptured by rebels overnight Friday but by Sunday afternoon, troops loyal to Assad were again in control, said the Observatory and a Lebanese television channel that closely follows Syria. - ☣Tourbillon 15:35, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Syrian troops have regained full control of a key base in northern Aleppo province near its international airport, state television said Sunday, after fierce clashes with rebels. The recapture of the base was confirmed by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, an NGO, which has reported fierce fighting at the facility since Friday.https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/nowsyrialatestnews/520029-syria-army-regains-full-control-of-key-base-near-aleppo-says-state-tv army-regains-full-control-of-key-base-near-aleppo-says-state-tv http://sg.news.yahoo.com/syria-army-retakes-key-near-aleppo-state-tv-150259784.html http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gz6wr66r6Oa38fRV4RQH7uwZd2pA?docId=7ab4cb0a-40ef-49b8-b757-5b337a3ee3a0&hl=en46.200.247.32 (talk) 18:28, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Contested teritory needs to be larger to the north last SOHR report says clashes are taking place in the al-Naqqarin district http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.207992&lon=37.238073&z=14&m=b&search=Damascus%20Syria https://www.facebook.com/syriaohr?fref=ts
Aleppo province: A defected officer was tortured to death in regime prisons. A fighter from al-Nusra front died of wounds received weeks earlier by clashes with the YPG in Ras al-A'in city in al-Hasaka. Activists reported al-Nusra fihters detained members of a rebel battalion who killed a female activist in Aleppo city yesterday and who also admitted killing more than 10 men in the city. Clashes are ongoing in the perimeter of the 80th division between regular forces, Hezbollah, NDF from one side and the ISIS, al-Nusra front and several Islamic battalions from the other. Reports that the clashes reached areas inside the 80th division. Violent clashes are still ongoing in the areas of al-Naqarin, al-Mwaslat al-Haditha and Tal al-Sheikh Yousuf between the ISIS, al-Nusra front and rebel fighters from one side and regular forces along with fighters who used to be members of rebel battalions from the other, the fighters paved way for regular soldiers to enter the Tal al-Sheikh Yousuf and al-Mwaslat al-Haditha areas. 7 rebel fighters were killed by clashes with those fighters (who were previously members of rebel battalions). Rebel fighters targeted 2 regime armoured vehicles in the perimeter of the 80th division. 5 rebel fighters were killed when their tank was destroyed by regular forces in the perimeter of the 80th division last night.79.126.221.160 (talk) 18:39, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Al Aziza
village of Aziza, which is under the control of forces loyal to Syria's President Bashar al-Assad http://live.aljazeera.com/Event/Syria_Live_Blog/92155196 http://live.aljazeera.com/Event/Syria_Live_Blog/95797722 http://www.trust.org/item/20131005184418-gd8ak 46.200.247.32 (talk) 18:31, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
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